MSNBC Question of the Day

[biscotti]

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 971 responses


Yes 20% No 80%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7545983/

[katinmn]

1. ha! voted,

[madokie]

22. 82 18

:kick:

[sabra]

2. MSNBC is "irresponsible" for even asking

done

[Terre]

33. I don't agree

While their questions, and how they word them, sometimes suck, it does provide them with the reaction/feedback into the * spin machine, by allowing GQ Public to say how they feel about another ridiculous statement by our Chimperor.

[sabra]

37. I guess, my reaction was more with their wording.

peace.

[PATRICK]

48. Well

the wording comes from the actual talking point introduced by Bush and the RW Parrot Jungle so at worst it amounts to a reactionary polling of how this flies with the public. It puts the people on the defensive as if asking "are you falling fro this one?" rather than directly ask about Bush's own responsibility which HE not MSNBC is neatly ducking. So the wording is playing into Bush's terrible poker hand, which is irritating even if easily beaten. They are constantly letting him try out tactics of diversion as if those are legitimate points compared to the revealed crimes so far unpunished. If these were the only polls they are a constant attempt to get people to poll Bush out of the danger and the spotlight. And as such merit more than a little anger.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

75. Bush's terrible poker hand.

He's bluffing. :think:

And shock of all shocks, John and Jane Q. Public have called.

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

36. "Irresponsible" is the message of the day..Dan Bartlett said it over and

over as Amy was interviewing him on MSNBC...And, as he was telling me
I was "Irresponsible" as an war critic, MSNBC did a beauty montage
of bush looking powerful and strong with lots of flags and stuff. :puke:

Bartlett's message was, it is "Irresponsible" to go back and review
the video tapes to judge for ourselves if Bu*h is a liar.

Too late, Dan

I voted #2000...82% 18%

[WiseButAngrySara]

41. I saw that pathetic attempt! Truly revolting. ....n/t

[harlinchi]

3. Done @ 10:50 a.m.

Of the 1064 responses, 80% voted no.

[skooooo]

4. 81% NO

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. Done!

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 1161 responses


Yes
19% No
81%

[havocmom]

6. Bet they're sorry they asked!

:evilgrin:

* 1226 responses
Yes 19% No 81%

[skooooo]

7. People appear to be a little pissed off..

do they not??

[havocmom]

11. Righteous indignation is a good thing.

People getting their backs up over being slapped for wanting truth where an informed populace is the ONLY way to to really defend democracy. My heart holds hope that the nation may yet survive.

And the sounds of old people, shivering in cold rooms will not exactly promote good will toward the junta of Big Oil and Big Corporation puppets!

When people notice neighbors dying from cold, there will be more critism about EVERYTHING the junta does.

[sinkingfeeling]

8. Done. 81% - no

[Greybnk48]

9. 81% no 1397 responses n/t

[KansDem]

10. No...

...just the corporate media-types who say they are.

[RobertSeattle]

12. Still holding at 81% No

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 1467 responses

Yes 19%
No 81%

[titoresque]

13. done!

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

14. done

* 1557 responses

Yes 18% No 82%

[RubyDuby in GA]

15. Be sure to send them your comments too!

Here's mine:
No, it's not "irresponsible" for war critics to speak out against lies that have so far killed over 2,000 American soldiers. What is irresponsible is that the Bush Administration is continuing to tell those lies over and over in the hopes that someone will believe them and then the media complaisantly reports what this lying Administration implies as fact. It's immoral to lie us into a war. It's irresponsible of the media to continue perpetuate those lies.

[Chi-Town Exile]

19. Us Georgians think alike! LOL

I sent comments saying the same thing ... but your comments were better written than mine! LOL:headbang:

[babylonsister]

16. I love seeing these polls, if only to see how the tide is changing! nt

[Chi-Town Exile]

17. MEDIA WHORES!!!

The fact they ask such a stupid question reflects how biased they are.

I fired off an email asking MSNBC if they enjoying being the "PRAVDA" of the Bush/Cheney administration. Of course, I think Wolf Blitzer would be insulted since he believes his show is "Pravda" or Russert ... and so on and so on.

[AlinPA]

18. 81% NO at 11:10 eastern

[Contrary1]

20. 82% now. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. The whole point of the wording is to get the "irresponsible"

idea into the conscience of the public. It doesn't matter what the results are. It's about getting the framing of the administration bandied about.

[Marr]

23. It's fine for Bush to lie about it, but it's irresponsible to say it.

It's fine for US forces to torture prisoners, but it's irresponsible to release photos of it.

It's fine for soliders to die in Iraq, but it's irresponsible to show pictures of their coffins.

It's fine to eat cake, pluck a guitar, or go shoe shopping while thousands of Americans are drowning in a flood, but it's irresponsible to place blame.

Etc., etc., etc.

Bush stepped in it with his Veterans' Day speech but you know- it was the same playbook he's been running since 9-12. It's just suddenly become alright to point out the obvious lies and contradictions.

[QuettaKid]

24. KICK!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[me b zola]

25. done, going to write my message now

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 1705 responses


Yes..............19%

No...............81%

[me b zola]

34. Here's my message

I believe that today's question of the day reveals MSNBC's corporate owners vested interest in perpetrating war for profit.

Here is a more intellectually honest question that the media would be asking if they were doing their job:

"If an administration were found to have manipulated evidence to lie our Nation into war, would their immediate removal from power & arrest prevent future leaders from abusing their power in the same way?"

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

26. I wrote to them

"Stupid MSNBC. Look at your own poll results. Most people are against this bush regime. Yet your question somehow implies that critics can be Irresponsible for criticizing this President's lying to us. Your pro-bush bias shows through. The question should ask. Was the bush administration Irresponsible for manipulating Intelligence?"

[biscotti]

27. Great initiative

Thank you. I think I will fire one at them.

[Terre]

38. To be fair

MSNBC did put "irresponsible" in quotation marks. I didn't get the impression that MSNBC thought that the critics were irresponsible, and they quoted it to bring attention to the fact that it was the Chimp that said it first:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/11/20051111-1.html

While it's perfectly legitimate to criticize my decision or the conduct of the war, it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began.

[Village Idiot]

28. You have to love the phrasing.

How about a POSITIVE survey for once, like:

Are war critics correct in saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence?

[ProfessorGAC]

30. Or, "Is The President Irresponsible By Attempting To Blame Others?"

Because basically, this new attack approach is trying to shift blame to Congress for all the mistakes related to Iraq. The party of personal responsibility talks out of the other side of its mouth, again.
The Professor

[WiseButAngrySara]

44. See post #35...Did B* DELIBERATELY MISLEAD .......Impeachment

time! I would have preferred the question to read as 'LIE' but the meaning is pretty clear, unless the question is being interpreted by a PNACer. Please vote, if you haven't already done so! Links are below.

[Terre]

29. Edit the title a little?

and maybe add: Are we "irresponsible"?

Might be a little more of an attention grabber, and I encourage everyone to nominate it for the Greatest page, 'cause alot of us come into DU viewing only that page, like me.

Vote is now: 2,714 18% Yes, 82% No

[stop the bleeding]

31. done still at 82 to 18

with 2973 responses

[cal04]

32. done

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 2945 responses
Yes 18% No 82%

[WiseButAngrySara]

35. Vote also in this related AOL Poll: Did B* LIE (read impeachment)

about Iraq?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5353169

For direct AOL link see post #43...

Did President Bush deliberately mislead the public on Iraq?

Yes 63%
No 37%

Total Votes: 88,343

Edited to update AOL link, but couldn't get it right!

[Terre]

43. Correct AOL Link

to the poll:
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051113113309990003&ncid=NWS00010000000001

Still 63/37 and 88,421 votes

[WiseButAngrySara]

46. Thanks Terre! I guess I copy and pasted it incorrectly!

:)

[Virginian]

39. No 82%

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 3348 responses


Yes 18%
No 82%

[WiseButAngrySara]

40. 82% No with 3348 total votes. K & R!

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 3348 responses


Yes 18%

No 82%

[Catamount]

42. Done--still at 82% no!

I hope this is all due to public opinion!:kick:

[electropop]

45. DUne: 82 18

nt

[BrightKnight]

47. done

[grace0418]

49. My responsibility as an American is to speak up when injustice is

threatening the life of any human. It's irresponsible to ignore what's going on.

[mithnanthy]

50. voted

n/t

[MissMarple]

51. Irresponsible? It's our responsibility to speak up.

And I'd like to see a poll on this topic.

Is torture an effective anti-terror tactic? Not only is the use of torture inhumane, evil, and flouts American values and law, it doesn't even work all that well. It is counterproductive to our country's security and dangerous for our soldiers. How anyone can try to justify it is either lying or stupid.

Perhaps instead of stupid I shoud substitute seriously misinformed. But I think stupid says it better.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9958544/

[Angry Girl]

52. Can't the %$#@! MSM write the TRUTH instead of asking what's POPULAR?

I'm so fed up of these guys. And the way the question is WORDED is even skewed! What the hell kind of question is that?

If MSNBC were being straightfoward it would be: DID the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? Yes/No

But these guys are asking what do you THINK! And they're essentially asking a double-negative, NOT something you EVER want in a well-designed survey!

[jsamuel]

53. ./

[0007]

54. Dan Bartlett is full of BushSHIT

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence?

Yes
18%

No
82%

* 4,371 responses

[Liberal Dose]

55. Voted

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 4443 responses

Yes
19%

No
81%

Thank you for voting. Click to send us an e-mail to share your thoughts. Plus, see past voting results.
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[ComerPerro]

56. Thats the question? Are they serious?

WTF???

[veness]

57. No 82% - 5109 responses. n/t

[Pachamama]

58. Here was my comment to them:

Dear MSNBC TV:

Your question today (and the majority answer to it of NO) is a good indicator of how we in this country feel about President Bush and the War on Iraq. There are several issues here that need to be addressed:

1st, how dare he on Veteran's Day no less, stand up for his political grandstanding on a day meant to honor our Veteran's and dead fallen soldiers, over 2060 (and counting) of which have died in Mr. Bush's War on Iraq.

2nd, for him to call me, my fellow Americans and any one else (regardless of our political affiliation or beliefs) "irresponsible" for our critiquing of this war and the grounds it was begun and then to accuse US of "re-writing History"! The only one guilty of "re-writing history" related to this War is Mr. Bush and this corrupt and lying administration. They manipulated facts, gave false information and continue to change the reasons we invaded and are now occupying Iraq.

Finally, for him to insinuate and try to put the burden of responsibility on to any of the Democrats (or Republicans for that matter) who voted in support of giving him the War Authority as it related to Iraq and to claim that they had the same intelligence information as he did is a flat out LIE! In fact, when this administration was questioned about the info and reasons for going to war, they would continue to imply and state that they had information (that none of us were privileged to see ie. Presidential Daily Briefings etc.) and that we just had to trust them. Well, we all did trust them and now we know better.

The truth is slowing coming out and will continue to come out and the American people and the world will eventually know the truth that we were lied into a War and manipulated. The Downing Street Memos, the outing of Valerie Plame-Wilson, the private contractors w/ no bid contracts, the multiple military bases now being built in Iraq, and much more will eventually all show the big picture and it won't be pretty. I can only say that to quote Mr. Bush himself - "Fool me once....we won't get fooled again"....

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

61. Excellent! Your post would make a great LTTE as well. eom

[Pachamama]

59. Here was my comment to them:

Dear MSNBC TV:

Your question today (and the majority answer to it of NO) is a good indicator of how we in this country feel about President Bush and the War on Iraq. There are several issues here that need to be addressed:

1st, how dare he on Veteran's Day no less, stand up for his political grandstanding on a day meant to honor our Veteran's and dead fallen soldiers, over 2060 (and counting) of which have died in Mr. Bush's War on Iraq.

2nd, for him to call me, my fellow Americans and any one else (regardless of our political affiliation or beliefs) "irresponsible" for our critiquing of this war and the grounds it was begun and then to accuse US of "re-writing History"! The only one guilty of "re-writing history" related to this War is Mr. Bush and this corrupt and lying administration. They manipulated facts, gave false information and continue to change the reasons we invaded and are now occupying Iraq.

Finally, for him to insinuate and try to put the burden of responsibility on to any of the Democrats (or Republicans for that matter) who voted in support of giving him the War Authority as it related to Iraq and to claim that they had the same intelligence information as he did is a flat out LIE! In fact, when this administration was questioned about the info and reasons for going to war, they would continue to imply and state that they had information (that none of us were privileged to see ie. Presidential Daily Briefings etc.) and that we just had to trust them. Well, we all did trust them and now we know better.

The truth is slowing coming out and will continue to come out and the American people and the world will eventually know the truth that we were lied into a War and manipulated. The Downing Street Memos, the outing of Valerie Plame-Wilson, the private contractors w/ no bid contracts, the multiple military bases now being built in Iraq, and much more will eventually all show the big picture and it won't be pretty. I can only say that to quote Mr. Bush himself - "Fool me once....we won't get fooled again"....

[in_cog_ni_to]

60. done. 81% NO 19% Yes

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 5849 responses


Yes
19% No
81%

[WePurrsevere]

62. nm

edited because I was looking at the wrong poll (AOL's)... I think I need a decent nights sleep. :banghead:

[PDittie]

63. Yes 20 No 80 6364 responses

jsut now. Freeps are moving it.

[WinkyDink]

64. HAHA! Bet they didn't expect THAT!

And what exactly does "irresponsible" mean even, in this context?
Here's what I e-mailed, about the question:

"It's STUPID. One must be either IN a position of "responsibility" OR be a CANDIDATE to gain such a position, in order to be termed "irresponsible". IOW, critics cannot be deemed to be "unreliable", as ONLY BUSH made the FINAL DECISION to rush to "Shock and Awe".
Try using a dictionary instead of Bush talking points.
While I'm at it, why don't you practice some journalism and PROVIDE the ACCURATE HISTORY of the prelude to the Iraq Invasion.
Remember,e.g., how Bush claimed Saddam refused to allow inspectors in Iraq? Meaning, either HE was insane, or the world HALLUCINATED Hans Blix.
How's that for starters?"

[Vincardog]

65. Yes 19% No 81% HA HA HA HA HA HA way to push poll

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 7191 responses


Yes 19% No 81%

[DarleenMB]

66. bump

[tinfoilinfor2005]

67. Back to 80, 20.

Freeps must have left the fox kool aid stand momentarily to vote at msnbc.

[Christa]

68. Same here. nt.

[blue neen]

69. Hey.

It's now 21% yes, 79% no.

:kick:

[bigwillq]

70. Done

Are war critics "irresponsible" for saying the Bush Administration manipulated intelligence? * 15555 responses


Yes
21%

No
79%

[MellowOne]

71. done n/t

[stepnw1f]

72. Yes=21% No=79%

15606 responses

[doubleplusgood]

73. "Are liberals traitors ?"

actual question flashed on MSNBC (Scarborough, I think) 2 years ago during runup to invasion of Iraq.

[upi402]

74. POLL -done

voted