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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:17 PM
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The democrats better come out loud and strong this week about the IRWR
This sunday the repukes were refuting that the dems had the same intelligence everyone else did. This is the repuke talking point, that you can't blame bush, blame the intelligence. We cannot just have Dean coming out and refuting it. Most of the democrats in congress have to stand up and say they were lied to.

A report came out this weekend that the repukes are getting more donations than the dems. Will they will NOT get another dime from me unless they prove themselves. A few may be turning the corner, but if they stand up as a group, say WE WERE MISLED AND LIED TO ABOUT IRAQ by this administration, and not only have thousands of Americans been killed and wounded, but hundred of thousand of civillians have been killed because of this LIE!!!

They must present a plan to get out of Iraq also.

I AM WAITING...


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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:21 PM
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1. All the Dems better be
singing out of the same hymnal on this or we're screwed. I caught only bits and pieces of the Sunday talk shows....(I lasted about 30 seconds with Mehlman before I started screaming at the TV and my wife made me turn it off.)...but it was very clear that they have received the FAX and are mouthing the same talking points. Their propaganda campaign is orchestrated and rolling. We need to fight back in-kind.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:29 PM
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3. you articulated it much better than I every could
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 08:31 PM by still_one
yes, Dean was terrific, but we cannot just rely on him.

This is the moment we stand for something, or we deserve what we get

Here is what people say about the Silberman report which is so widely quoted:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/03/31/AR2005033118759_pf.html

It was a fraud!!!

The president and VP were NOT even interviewed, and they relied mostly on woodwards book!!!
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:39 PM
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5. And Mehlman said he wanted to sit across the table from Dean.
I'd have loved that ,I can't wait to see that one.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:03 PM
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11. He doesn't really want to do that. You know he doesn't!
:evilgrin: I would tune in for that confrontation! :bounce:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:22 PM
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2. Together
:toast:
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Noisy Democrat Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:37 PM
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4. What do you think of the Kerry Plan?
The one Kerry proposed in a speech at Georgetown on October 26th and introduced in the Senate on Thursday. A lot of Dem senators seem to be getting behind it. Over 200,000 people have signed Kerry's petition as well. What do you think of his plan?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:47 PM
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6. It is reasonable start, but it too is not specific enough
draw down 20000 after their election, and wait for the administration to come up with something by 2006???

Sorry, we have waited long enough for these criminals in the white house, and they have consistently lied, and misled us.

The Democrats MUST come out with something NOW!!!

Do not wait until next year

Look at the repukes this sunday. They were out in force saying the president did not midlead, it was the faulty intelligence

Fight democrats for the country NOW for once. Take the offensive, do NOT, wait for them to come up with something by next year. We have all had plenty of time to consider what to do

I dislike mccain with a passion, but he has come up with a plan to send more troops. I believe that is doomed to failure, but at least it is a plan

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:59 PM
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8. The plan is clear! Only two things can ensure that
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 09:07 PM by ProSense
a Democratic plan will be adopted: Republicans voting for it or Democrats regaining the majority.

And you say, but McCain has come up with a plan. McCain's plan is no more specific and it's the wrong plan.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:02 PM
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10. You didn't read the whole plan, did you?
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 09:06 PM by blm
He put up a detailed plan on WHAT Bush needs to do. Why on earth do you think it's only about the first 20000 troops?

Read the whole thing.

Kerry Introduces “Strategy for Success in Iraq Act” in United States Senate
November 10th, 2005

Speaking a a short time ago on the Senate Floor, John Kerry Introduced the “Strategy for Success in Iraq Act.”

The “Strategy for Success in Iraq Act” Would Bring Home 20,000 Troops After Iraq Elections and Demands Benchmarks for Success.

Washington, D.C. — This afternoon, Senator John Kerry introduced in the Senate his plan to succeed in Iraq and bring the vast majority of our combat troops home in a reasonable timeframe tied to specific, responsible benchmarks to transfer responsibility to Iraqis — beginning with the draw down of 20,000 U.S. troops after successful Iraqi elections in December. These additional troops are in Iraq only for the purpose of providing security for the upcoming elections. If they remain in Iraq after that benchmark is achieved, it only exacerbates the sense of American occupation.

“We are entering a make-or-break six month period in Iraq. We need to be taking action now if we are ever going to bring our troops home within a reasonable timeframe from an Iraq that’s not permanently torn by irrepressible conflict,” Kerry said. “We cannot pull out precipitously or merely promise to stay ‘as long as it takes.’ There is a way forward that gives us the best chance both to salvage a difficult situation in Iraq, and to save American and Iraqi lives.”

Kerry’s legislation, the Strategy for Success in Iraq Act, lays out a comprehensive new strategy to complete the mission in Iraq and bring our troops home. Its goal is to undermine the insurgency by simultaneously pursing both a political settlement and the draw down of American forces linked to specific, responsible benchmarks. If followed, the process will be completed in 12-15 months.

Kerry’s plan calls for:

· The U.S. to begin a phased draw down of American troops as a series of military and political benchmarks is met, starting with a reduction of 20,000 troops over the holidays as the first benchmark -the successful completion of the December elections - is met.

· The U.S. to immediately make clear that we do not want permanent military bases in Iraq, or a large combat force on Iraqi soil indefinitely.

· The Administration to immediately give Congress and the American people a detailed plan for the transfer of military and police responsibilities on a sector by sector basis to Iraqis so the majority of our combat forces can be withdrawn — ideally by the end of next year.

· The Bush administration to prod the new Iraqi government to ask for a multinational force to help protect Iraq’s borders until a capable national army is formed. Such a force, if sanctioned by the United Nations, could attract participation by Iraq’s neighbors and countries like India and would be a critical step in stemming the tide of insurgents and money into Iraq, especially from Syria.

· The Pentagon to alter the deployment of American troops, keeping Special Operations forces pursuing specific intelligence leads and putting the vast majority of U.S. troops in rear guard, garrisoned status for security backup. We do not need to send young Americans on search and destroy missions that invite alienation and deepen the risks they face.

· The President to put the training of Iraqi security forces on a six month wartime footing and ensure that the Iraqi government has the budget to deploy them.

· The Bush administration to accept long standing offers by Egypt, Jordan, France and Germany to do more training.

· The administration to immediately call a conference of Iraq’s neighbors, Britain, Turkey and other key NATO allies, and Russia to implement a strategy to bring the parties in Iraq to a sustainable political compromise that includes mutual security guarantees among Iraqis.

· Iraq’s Sunni neighbors to set up a reconstruction fund specifically for the majority Sunni areas to show them the benefits of participating in the political process.

· The President to appoint a special envoy to bolster America’s diplomatic efforts.

· The U.S. to commit to a new regional security structure that includes improved security assistance programs and joint exercises.

· The U.S. to jumpstart our lagging reconstruction efforts by providing the necessary civilian personnel to do the job, standing up civil-military reconstruction teams throughout the country, streamlining the disbursement of funds to the provinces, expanding job creation programs for Iraqis, and strengthening the capacity of government ministries.

“We must send this critical signal to the Iraqi people - that we do not desire permanent occupation - and that Iraqis themselves must fight for Iraq. History shows that guns alone do not end an insurgency,” Kerry added.

Senior American commanders and officials have said the large U.S. military presence in Iraq feeds the insurgency. General George Casey, the top American military commander in Iraq, recently told Congress that our large military presence “feeds the notion of occupation” and “extends the amount of time that it will take for Iraqi security forces to become self-reliant.” Richard Nixon’s Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird, breaking a thirty year silence, recently wrote, ‘’Our presence is what feeds the insurgency, and our gradual withdrawal would feed the confidence and the ability of average Iraqis to stand up to the insurgency.”

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=1117
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:17 PM
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12. no I did not read that. Those details
were NOT on the petition he asked people to sign:

http://www.johnkerry.com/action/20000/index.php?source=8005

Thanks. I am concerned about what happens if the benchmarks are NOT met, because I believe we are in the middle of a civil war that cannot be won, and will only cause more casulties as long as we are their.

However, they are reasonable, but we should NOT give this administration anymore time. They administration has lied and swindled their way to this war, and throughout their policies, and they should NOT be given anymore chances

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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:49 PM
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7. Obama had a good plan on Jon Stewart
Where will Dean lead us? Will he lead?
Or will we be fed still more WonderBread and Cheez Whiz?
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:01 PM
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9. The Bush Admin MARKETED the war and the Dems need to
keep that front and center, IMHO.

I would like to know what evidence we have that the war was MARKETED by the WHIG.


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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:22 PM
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13. we already have libby under indictment
and rove is still under investigation

In addition, we have enough people like Larry Johnson, Richard Clarke, along with Powell aides and others in the state department who stand by that claim


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