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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:36 PM
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The Democrats Should Just Admit That They Were Shamed Into Authorizing War
Everybody knows it. The right wing and the media created a McCarthy atmosphere in which you were "unpatriotic" and "unamerican" if you asked questions or didn't vote for war.

Democrats fell prey to a double action. They were lied to, and shamed into agreeing with it.

(We really really love the ones who didn't bite, don't we DU? Because we know they have heart).
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Fritz67 Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:38 PM
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1. The ones that really get me...
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 07:39 PM by Fritz67
...are the ones who, when asked "If you know what you know now, would you vote for the war?" still say they would.

Hopefully those numbers will dwindle some with Duhbya's poll numbers falling.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:57 PM
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15. Well, the one who is the MEDIA's "consensus number one" Dem candidate for
2008 still takes this position.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:38 PM
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2. Not heart. Spine.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:40 PM
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3. Some part of me agrees with you, otoh let's not let this degenerate
into a "the Dems were wrong about the war" stomping. Bush was NOT misled by the Democrats.

Bush & his administration LIED to the American public, to Republican and Democratic represantives alike, and conspired to lead thousands of men & women to their death for monetary profit for their side.

These accusations about the Dems are just a smokescreen for what the real crime was.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:40 PM
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4. I agree 100%. You hit the nail on the head. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:44 PM
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5. we were talking about it as it was happening. not only were we saying
this is what was being done to the dems, but the media was on it, making it impossible, (yes there were some that withstood the assault) for the dem to not vote. yes. if you said anything about bush you were unamerican. dean running his campaign was the first to say something against bush. and had an enemy immediately and was targeted. that is his hero moment. because he was the one that opened the door for others to do it. he was the one taken down too.

yes it would be good to go back to that time, and remember what was going on
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:44 PM
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6. Now DEMs are ashamed to admit they were shamed into voting for the war.
I agree with you. They need to admit it now. It might just show that they have some balls after all.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:45 PM
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7. When all else fails,
they should try telling the truth. I agree!
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:51 PM
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9. It would help the whole country if they did it. Like a catharsis. Maybe
people will see that they were shamed too.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:00 PM
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16. VERY good point, Solomon. It would create a bandwagon effect
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 08:01 PM by loudsue
that is MUCH needed in this country.

Democrats currently in Washington have yet to figure out how to USE their political capital, and good timing. They're kind of a slow bunch, and I'd like to replace 90% of them in the Dem primaries.

:kick:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:49 PM
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8. Add one more m
They were"shammed" into supporting the war. They were lied to. Of course they shouldn't have swallowed it,but they need to just say it. This administration lied us into war.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:54 PM
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10. There is only 1 person
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 08:05 PM by fedupinBushcountry
who authorized war and his name is BUSH.

Who did not live up to that resolution ?

Answer that question.

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:55 PM
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11. I don't think they were shamed into doing anything.
They feared that if they didn't jump on the Hummer, they would get hammered as traitors by the voters after B*shco did a media slam against them.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:56 PM
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12. Old - McCarthyism New - Bushism
This is what happened, we know it, it happened to us too and we will forgive and understand.

We did just witness the return of McCarthyism - our own newer version was "If you're not for the war then you must sympathize with the terrrorists and you don't support the troops"

W. was right when he made his "Communism" comparisons - Communism is what drove McCarthyism and Terrorism is what drives our new Bushism.

(For Bushism, use all previous examples of McCarthyism and just update with current examples of cowed media, congressional panels, etc. Extra credit for every time you uncover the phrase "Now, we don't want to assign blame . . .")


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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:00 PM
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17. It's not Bushism--it's Roveism!
This neo-McCarthyism we're witnessing is Karl Rogue's evil brainspawn. Bush is just a parrot to Rove's pirate.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:56 PM
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13. "the congress got the same intel as Bush"---bullshit!
how many times have we been told that? I don't believe that for a second, we are supposed to go along with the theory that Bush and Cheney gave everything to the congress, that nothing was redacted? No way.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 07:57 PM
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14. it's a little worse--they agreed with real motives, stealing oil
otherwise, they would draw attention to the real motives NOW which would increase pressure to pull out.

But they don't want to. They want to be the new bitch of corporate America.

I hope I'm wrong.
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MrDale Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:00 PM
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18. still confused
I'm still confused, why the democrats who voted for the war but are against it now, haven't stepped up and said that they didn't have the information that there were bogus reports and that, that information was withheld by the bush administration.

2 things i can think of "

the dems are waiting for phase 2 to be completed because there is more corrupt crap from the republicans just screaming to come out

or

the dems did have all of the same information as the bush administration, in which case would make the dems look bad because this is the republicans battle cry right now.

i wish i had some facts on this because im tired of answering the same conservative crap on my message forum.
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