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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:36 PM
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David Gregory: Campaign mode defense
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 12:38 PM by Gabi Hayes
MSNBC now....repeating Bush's talking points so far
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:38 PM
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1. David's a good guy... one of the few that pulls actual info out of
McClellan. They don't like eacher too much I think.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:40 PM
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7. darrin fffffing kagan on CNN, anchoring the political aspects of
dumbo's speech

Dana Priest on MSNBC for analysis

Ron Reagan asks her if his defense, "dems were wrong, too," is enough.

hahahahaaaaaaa....she says the MEDIA will start 'truth squadding' his remarks

like they did BEFORE the war?

huh?

eh?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:42 PM
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10. yeah really
now dana is rewriting history.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:49 PM
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34. I don't think so either
You can always see it in their faces. I like him too. I wish he would have his own show. Or join Ron Reagan. Could you imagine that show?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:38 PM
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2. CNN's got a five-person panel!
Bill Schneider, John King, and others are on hand to discuss Bush's new, different way of lying to and manipulating the American people.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:40 PM
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6. Where's are Candy Crowley's insights when you so need them?
I am guessing that they won't sit there and have a 5 minute discussion about how W can't get his message out.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:38 PM
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3. I like david
"the presnit is so weakened he needs to go back to the war and present Iraq as the central fron in the terra war"
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:42 PM
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9. he didn't say that, did he? I missed that part, and can't believe
he'd come right out and say it.

good for him, if he did
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:44 PM
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13. yes he did
David is good at getting thise zings in.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:38 PM
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4. The talking heads are all saying that Bush is going after Dems...
But aren't the polls showing that MOST americans think he lied??? He's calling the majority unpatriotic???? hmmmm.....
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:39 PM
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5. Yeah, Bush dug up Kerry's 2004 campaign corpse.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:41 PM
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8. Of course. It's a negative campaign, not an attempt at justificatino.
As with any negative campaign, it doesn't matter how low Bush's numbers go as long as they can drive opponent's down lower.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:43 PM
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11. Monica Crowley sucks-"Do you think Bush was trying to go over
the heads of the Democrats straight to the American people"

Hey, Beyatch, get a clue. The American people are more DEMOCRAT than Republican.

After I hear a bit mroe, I'm turning that sh*t off.
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:45 PM
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14. Gregory gave a great response.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:51 PM
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19. Democrat is not an adjective. n/t
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:35 PM
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32. and the American people are more democrat
then the democrats.
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Lucille Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:43 PM
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12. Are Dems allowed an equal-time response?
Since it is a "campaign-style" attack on Democrats, why aren't the cables giving "campaign-style" equal time to Democrats?


That's a rhetorical question, btw.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:45 PM
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John King, CNN, quoting pug strategist: when you are quoting
your opponent from a year ago you are not in a @E(+$%*## position of strength!

good for you

whore Kagan, quoting the Silberman Robb whitewash to say there's no evidence of political pressure! surprised?

now some RW cretin agreeing about Silberman Robb, but mentions that that report wasn't really relevant
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:48 PM
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16. Silberman Robb was specifically NOT ASKED to report on that
see now that is nothing but spin and spin that was set up from the get go. Silberman Robb was specifically not tasked to look into whether intel was spun or manipulated for obvious reasons NOW they imply that it was studied and they found nothing...but they don't actually say that.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:50 PM
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18. that's why I called it a whitewash....what a joke that thing was
and the effrontery of appointing Silberman still blows me away
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:45 PM
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15. Dana Priest-I agree with her that the Dems that didn't more critically
speak up have a moment of truth.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:48 PM
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17. true, BUT, they didn't get any airtime, along with left wing
commentators at the time

Pew or somebody did a study showing that over NINETY percent of commentators during the run up were pro war

always remember that, AND the fact that this started only a year after 911, and dems were terribly disadvantaged by the phony patriotic fervor still clutching at our throats
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:54 PM
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20. I'm not talking about airtime, I'm talking about the ones that voted for
If they didn't more critically look at what was going on, and I believe they were misled by Bush/Cheney, nevertheless they need to pony up NOW. THIS is a moment of truth for the Iraq war-mongerers, both Repub and Dem. Bush has laid down the gauntlet, calling them irresponsible.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:57 PM
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22. OK......can't disagree with that. that part is sad, when one
considers how many of the hoi polloi knew what was going down at the time

and thanks, btw, for your amazing clip site!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:53 PM
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36. A lot of them have denounced their vote and said they were
wrong now though. So when are they going to talk to those democrats eh?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:56 PM
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21. Ron Reagan just NAILED IT.
"If Saddam Hussein was such a threat to America, even back during the Clinton administration, and everybody knew it, then why didn't Bush campain about regime change? Why didn't he come to office and immediately bring up invading Iraq? Why did he wait until after 9/11 if Saddam was such a threat?"
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:58 PM
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23. why don't the ffffing DEMS nail that one over and over and over?
along with the QUOTES from Condi and Powell in 2001 that Saddam posed NO threat, and was in a BOX?

wanna see those?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:59 PM
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26. I actually believe Bush's speech today was proof...
... that the Democrats are clearly winning the argument over whether Bush manipulated intelligence pre-Iraq.

But if they really want to play around, then yes, we should absolutely whip out those Condi and Powell quotes and pummel them with them. The Powell quote is the most damaging to Bush.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:58 PM
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24. Yes, that's the Downing Street Memo tie-in
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:58 PM
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25. that is perfect!
and I never thought I could like a Reagan! :)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:55 PM
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38. I just love Ron
It is kind of weird but he's so not his dad where politics are concerned. :) I remember watching a video of his show once or an interview with him on another show and he happily said he was a liberal. :D
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:54 PM
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37. Yes! Good Ron!
Excellent point!
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:01 PM
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27. This isn't going to work
Rove's political calculus is all about sliming your opponent. Bush can launch broadsides at the Democratic party, but he's shadow-boxing with no real opponent. All he's doing is making himself dizzy.

Sweet.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:11 PM
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28. Powell, 2001.....DEMS, where the FFFFFF are YOU on this?
"We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions—the fact that the sanctions exist—not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked.

He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq..."

Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Feb. 24, 2001
Press conference, Cairo Egypt

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:16 PM
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29. Cheney weighs in, as well.....hadn't seen this one
Vice President Dick Cheney said that "Saddam Hussein is bottled up" – a confirmation of the intelligence he had received.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:17 PM
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30. Also, where was the PRESS on that?
Why, why, why didn't they show that piece of video over and over during the march to war?

Why didn't anyone ever question Powell on that statement? Did anyone?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:50 PM
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35. now now now.....you know better than to axe such an impertinent
question

did you see Judy Miller's performance last night?

she knows what's best

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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:19 PM
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31. VIDEO-David Gregory's comments
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:48 PM
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33. Normal cover and apology for W
I don't see where this is anything new.
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