Has the U.S. now killed more innocent Iraqi citizens than Saddam did?

[Lex]

It's not like they elected him, anyway.

In fact, didn't we help install Saddam as leader in Iraq in the first place?

It's just totally outrageous when you stop and think about it.

We've screwed the Iraqi citizens coming and going, and still Bush and his followers are going to "stay the course." Madness.

[upi402]

1. I agree Lex, Saddam, Noriega, Shah of Iran, Pinochet, Marcos, Prince

Oh god, why does the world hate America?
Truman tried to warn us. I liked the video clip in Oliver Stone's movie about the J*K ass*s*nation.

[SHRED]

2. Absolute madness...

and the USA's citizenry are sleep walking in their corporate media induced, ignorant, stupor.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

3. Well aside from the *fact* that we put in Saddam I think we still

have a ways to go. Saddam killed a lot more than 100,000.

[JohnnyCougar]

5. Is that substantiated somewhere?

I know he killed people, but I thought the fact that he killed that many has been debunked.

Maybe I'm wrong?:shrug:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

6. Well from my own estimates - from what I've read- I think it's

upwards of 300,000+. Of course that includes all the political prisoners, when they had to "make room in an overcrowded jail", The Kurds maybe, etc.

On Edit: What I mentioned was not debunked.

[jbonkowski]

9. Beware of inflated numbers

If it is as high as 300,000 it surely counts all of the soldiers killed in the war with Iran. Do you count them along with political prisoners? I guess if its a war of aggression, you should count them along with political deaths. Do deaths from bad military decisions count? How about from not preparing defenses properly?

[wookie294]

10. I believe one million soldiers died in the war with Iran

It's sick that the Bush administration never actually released a REAL number of people killed by Saddam. It helped their cause by being vague on this issue. Many members of Congress wrongly stated that Saddam "murdered" millions.

I think Saddam probably killed a few hundred thousand and our sanctions killed another 500,000. So, the USA (not just Bush) killed more Iraqis than Saddam did.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

11. Take a look at post #7. It has references from Amnesty International.

[wookie294]

13. It appears Saddam killed 250,000 Iraqis, USA killed 600,000

According to Human Rights Watch, "senior Arab diplomats told the London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October (1991) that Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the south."

Clinton's secretary of state, Madeline Albright, said 500,000 Iraqi children were killed by our sanctions against Iraq. Johns-Hopkins says we killed another 100,000 Iraqis since the Iraq war began, possibly 250,000.

So, the USA killed more people than Saddam did.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

14. The 250,000 were just during the uprisings. You can add many more

on to that. I hate to say this but Saddam could have done a lot more to help his own people.

[wookie294]

7. Here's a link from the State Department

This is a rough outline on the numbers of people killed by Saddam....

http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/19675.htm

It appears 300,000 is the consensus number?

[mike_c]

4. yes....

In fact, the U.S. had killed many more Iraqi civilians by the middle years of economic sanctions than Saddam killed. The hundred thousand or so that have died since the invasion were just extras. We've killed over one million Iraqi civilians. That's aproaching genocidal levels, IMO.

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. Well considering that we gave Saddam the WoMD that he used

to kill Iraqis, before Gulf War I, and given the number of Iraqis that have been killed in the current invasion, I'd say it's safe to assume we have killed more than Saddam did. Too all those who say 'stay the course" I say, get your ass over there and support your Coward in Chief.

[Darranar]

12. Including the sanctions deaths, definitely.

At least three times over.

Not including the pre-invasion deaths, no; we still have another year or two to go.

[Lex]

15. Ugh. I forgot about the harm of the sanctions.

Terrible.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. No

Look up the Molly Ivins archives. She printed that she surmised your question to be true one time, and later did an entire column retracting that surmise. She had facts and figures, and as bad as we've been in Iraq, it still isn't close to the human loss figures under Saddam.

I wish it were true, then even the dimmest amongst us would recognize that we aren't the good guys in this little adventure. But, it's not.
The Professor