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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:27 PM
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It's too little too late, Chris Matthews
I am still not going to respect you in the morning. These facts you reported tonight are not new. You sense a change of direction in the political winds, and you hasten to gather your posterior on the politically correct side. This is the oldest game in town, and you are a pro at sniffing out the winning team and joining its chorus of cheerleaders.

Just as you knew Al Gore was not a liar during election 2000, you knew Bush* was a liar during the run-up to the war on Iraq. In both instances, you misled the public by either distorting the truth or omitting it all together. So why let the truth out now?

Obviously, this report to be continued this week would have to have been approved by Tim Russert. He ostensibly threw the reporting football on this to you since he was subpoenaed by Fitzgerald to testify before the Plame grand jury. Tim Russert attempting to grab the glory and report the deceptive "marketing of the war" at this time would be awkward at least, legally risky at best. Yet he has the authority to harness your fast-talking dialog -- but this he did not do. And why not? Are you both concerned the tanking poll numbers now besieging Bush and Cheney might adversely impact your ratings should you not now LEAP to the side of the truth?

During the run-up to the war, one of your competitors, Judith Miller, rolled over and became a spokeswoman for the war, repeating the mischaracterizations spoon-fed to her by Scooter Libby. You have been around Washington long enough to know the lay of the political land, and you knew much of Miller's reports did not pass the smell test. Yet you insist the WHIG played the press like a pinball machine, and in so saying, you attempt to play the public with the notion you were had. The irony of this remark is that it follows on the heels of a condemnation of the Dems, many of whom are now claiming they were fooled by the Bush* administration. Your position seems to be it's forgivable if You were fooled but unforgivable if They were .... I fail to perceive your distinction in differentiating among The Fools.

Your criticism of the Dems in general is devoid of the fact that not all Dems supported this war.

"Where is the debate?" cried Senator Byrd.

Al Gore passionately spoke out against the war. "Saddam is not the one shooting at us," Gore said. To support this war would detract resources from our efforts in Afghanistan that would be re-deployed to Iraq.

Jimmy Carter wrote an op-ed piece in The New York Times. Although he has made several television appearances this week, I have yet to hear one interviewer remind the public of Carter's op-ed.

A poll taken before the start of the U.S. invasion on Iraq reflected the objection of most of the Democratic base.

The coverage of the protests against this war on NBC was then and remains today MIA.

So your report, Mr. Matthews, is just too little too late. Perhaps it is in the political best interests of NBC and specifically, your credibility as a political commentator, to join the growing chorus in Washington of those condemning the neoconservatives for misleading the American public into an invasion of a sovereign nation, but it is 2000 American deaths too late, and 125,000 Iraqi civilian deaths too late for me to listen to your report.

I still won't respect you in the morning, Mr. Matthews, but I will ask the members on this website if they will ....

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:29 PM
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1. If he can keep his sheets lined up for a whole week
without luffing back into crapland I will be astonished.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:31 PM
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4. Ain't gonna happen!
No way, No how!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:39 PM
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10. Excellent point ... Chris Matthews, political FlimFlam Reporting Man
that's who we are examining in this thread.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:41 PM
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13. Tweety the ultimate Flip Flopper! nt
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:05 AM
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87. He believes the he is entertaining...it's just a show to him
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:41 AM
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106. Exactly. He's not a reporter. He's a "pundit."
That means "blowhard who doesn't do the hard work of verifying that anything he says is accurate."
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:40 PM
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11. Tweety will take the ineluctable tack.
He can always find slight weather to put him back on the "right" course. Know what I mean, Vern?

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:23 AM
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89. Chris Matthews: "Plame is fair game" (Karl Rove) ...!
Why has this important comment made by Karl Rove to Mathews not brought up more?? -- "fair game" what are the specifics? what EXACTLY does Rove mean by this comment!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:27 PM
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57. You make him out to be a sailor. All he has is a boat in his bathtub.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:31 PM
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2. Here's what his demeanor says to me... FRONTRUNNER. Plain and simple.
Nothing more to say.

And he makes me cringe.
No respect.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:41 PM
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12. Okay, DrZeeLit, that's two of us who won't respect him in the morning
How many other DU'ers will agree with us?
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Strathos Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:57 PM
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31. Hey DrZeeLit
I'd love to have a larger copy of that photo of the dog and cat.

Do you have one or know where I can get it?

Thanks!

strathosvampire@hotmail.com

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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 03:31 PM
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98. I'll email...no problemo. If you had a Mac, you could drag and drop.
Love my Mac....

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Strathos Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. Damn it, no Mac. I keep hearing great things about them though.
I might have to look into one.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:41 PM
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102. Hey...btw.... Welcome to DU! (yes, I think Mac is The Best!)
I've only ever owned Mac. Since my first computer in 82.
Yep.
And now... I love my iPod, too.

Anyway... I sent you the picture.
Have fun!
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Strathos Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:54 PM
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107. Thanks for the picture.
I love my iPod too, and it works well with my PC. I actually have th iPod mini, but I've got 1088 songs on it so far and probably room for another 200.

Thanks again! I love that picture.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:31 PM
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3. Wow, Samantha, you're on fire! I love it. Chris Matthews tried to
change his stripes tonight, didn't he? I thought I was alone in seeing this, but apparently not.

Right on, sister!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:47 PM
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18. He is the epitome of the political Pygmalion
and we spotted him on it.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:51 PM
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21. Why not call him a FLIP FLOPPER? It's a term that they used repeatedly
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 09:52 PM by Radio_Lady
during the last election.

On Edit: Blue State Native got it posted before I did!

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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:59 PM
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33. I think calling him merely a flip-flopper might be too kind n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:32 PM
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5. Ping Pong Tweety
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 09:34 PM by goclark
bounces back and forth -what a waste of air waves.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:49 PM
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19. I like your descriptive term as well, the Ping Pong Tweety
We must file it for future reference.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:33 PM
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6. Personally I'm very tired

....of his disclaimer "Everyone thought he (Hussein) had WMDs".

Not so Matthews, and what's worse is you know it's not true. I think you feel if you say it enough it will be true, however many people here see you for what you are...a media whore.

Cheers!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:52 PM
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22. That terms galls me as well
I didn't think Saddam had WMD's and who am I? Just a little person on a website. Most of my fellow DU'ers didn't think so either, and that term really grates on me when I hear him say it.

I especially hate to hear him say the Dems supported the war when everyone knew the results of the poll of the Democratic base before the start of the war. Most Dems opposed it, but to hear Matthews tell it, we all went along.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:53 PM
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23. Accidental duplicate strike n/t
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 09:54 PM by Samantha
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:34 PM
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7. General Electric is trying to hedge its bets, that's all
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:22 AM
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73. Yeah I saw the promos for Tweets and Olbermann's shows yesterday
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 12:22 AM by Garbo 2004
and thought, Hmnn? Olbermann's done his thing, to his credit, but I don't recall MSNBC promoing his stories the Administration won't like. But Tweets was going to "connect the dots!!!" (Of course the "dots" by now make up an entire library of others' actual investigative reporting both in and out of the blogosphere.)

MSNBC must be putting its corporate finger in the wind on a number of counts.

The best promo was Tucker's of course. The promo said his show would include an insane chimp, leaving the audience to provide its own punchiline. ;)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:36 PM
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8. Matthews is tolerable but I can't stand his Clinton-hating ass
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:38 PM
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9. recc-o-fuckin-mended. He is on my last nerve. Fair weather friend...
and what the hell was he trying to prove with Dean last week on abortion??? He's an idiot who takes FOREVER to process new thoughts.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:46 PM
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16. I always felt that Gore would have been elected in 2000
with enough of a margin that it would have been over on Election Day if not for Chriss Mathews' constant carping at him for every trivial little thing that he didn't like about him.

He is a pre$$titute if I ever saw one.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:58 PM
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32. Yet, about a year later when he sat down in a one-on-one with Gore
He opened up with this remark: Mr. Vice President, all the people who know you personally say you are a man of the utmost highest personal integrity (paraphrasing). Would you have had the nerve to make a remark like this to Al Gore personally after you had slandered him to the point it might have cost him a presidential election? I couldn't believe it then, and still cannot now.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:11 PM
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67. I didn't see that one
I did hear him say very nice things about Gore right after his concession speech. My thought then was very much like that of the OP: Too little too late.

I have no idea what motivates the man -- probably he just loves to hear himself talk. Anyhow, ever since the 2000 election I can't stand the sight of him.
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:43 PM
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14. Thanks for venting against this empty-shell, samantha. . .
I'll only add that seeing poetic justice turn on CMatthews will make me as giddy as when I see all the B* Crime Family go down. . .he's as guilty as they are, IMHO.

:smoke:
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:45 PM
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15. My respect for Matthews equals my respect for J. Miller...both are less
than zero.

K & R. Good post.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:03 PM
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35. I think they are two of a kind, simply in different venues
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 10:04 PM by Samantha
If you take what Matthews did and put it in a different arena, he observed a crime and failed to report it. I think in legal circles that is called depraved indifference. Whether that is technically legally correct or not, that to me is descriptive of Matthews' failure to report on the truth as this war was rolled out and the press supplied the red carpet for its debut. And blood red that carpet remains ....
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:24 PM
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70. Blood Red indeed. And they KNOW that blood is on their hands. What
you call 'depraved indifference' I call LYING by sins of Omission, and in some cases frank Commission. For the POTUS and Veep, these are impeachable offenses.
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:00 PM
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65. AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Keller too. n/t
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 11:01 PM by umtalal
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:46 PM
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17. No, it will never happen. Fuck Tweety, fuck his Nantucket estate
Fuck his pretensions of objectivity and (above all) fuck his affectation of Democratic Party roots.

He cares about exactly one person - himself - and this is not something which merits respect.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:05 PM
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38. Yes, he is totally self-serving and self-absorbed
You called it accurately. He's not for us -- it's all about him.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:49 PM
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20. To Iraq and Ruin by Chris Matthews - August 25, 2002
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 09:51 PM by alcuno
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/08/25/IN239822.DTL

"Washington -- The American people are not committed to a U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Cheney's staff is. Rumsfeld's deputies are. The White House speech-writing office is. The guys they're working under are.

.....

This invasion of Iraq, if it goes off, will join the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Desert One, Beirut and Somalia in the history of military catastrophe.

What will set it apart, distinguishing it for all time, is the immense - and transparent - political stupidity."



Matthews, who is often bipolar, staked out his position on the war long before it ever began. Say what you will about him, but he nailed it from the beginning. He's the guy that Libby was calling Russert to complain about. However, he's just one guy, and as I said, often bipolar.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. Are you saying he has bipolar (manic) depression? If so, cite a source.
Thanks.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:57 PM
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30. Nope.
I'm saying that he often confounds people with his swings from right-wing shill to left-wing prosecutor.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:09 PM
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40. Alcuno, it would be better if you didn't use the mental health terminology
especially when it doesn't apply. Just a suggestion ---

By the way, when I did talk radio in the 1970s and 1980s, we were REQUIRED by CBS Radio to act as the "devil's advocate." If someone called who was pro-choice, we had to present the pro-life position. If someone was for gun control, we had to argue the opposite view. It really was a ping-pong match.

If we didn't do it that way, we might have lost our jobs. Almost everyone on radio at that time was liberal. Perhaps you don't remember that time, but I do.

In peace,

Radio_Lady in Oregon
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:33 AM
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91. The Fairness Doctrine was repealed in the 80's.
Reagan vetoed it. The Museum of Broadcast Communications notes that Congress tried to make the doctrine law during the Bush administration, but Bush vetoed it. The article doesn't specify which Bush it was, but I expect it was Poppy. Doesn't matter. They're both a piece of shit. I just happened to look this up the other day on Wikipedia, which is down right now, and it said there was a general policy in effect that said something along the lines that airing a politician's views and advocating them requires giving time to opponents, or something to that effect.

From The Museum of Broadcast Communications

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm

<snip>

The fairness doctrine remains just beneath the surface of concerns over broadcasting and cablecasting, and some members of congress continue to threaten to pass it into legislation. Currently, however, there is no required balance of controversial issues as mandated by the fairness doctrine. The public relies instead on the judgment of broadcast journalists and its own reasoning ability to sort out one-sided or distorted coverage of an issue. Indeed, experience over the past several years since the demise of the doctrine shows that broadcasters can and do provide substantial coverage of controversial issues of public importance in their communities, including contrasting viewpoints, through news, public affairs, public service, interactive and special programming.

-Val E. Limburg

P.S. I was a whore for Pimp Daddy Clearchannel for five years during the 90's. Most degrading job of my life. If it wasn't for the two hour show where I had carte blanche to play whatever I wanted, I would have quit in an instant.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:12 PM
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41. I missed this remark
Unfortunately, I cannot say that about the times I have listened to him approach the truth one night, and the next night, totally backpedal to champion Bush.* It makes me ill. I also know he voted for the man. He's admitted this and he doesn't seem ashamed or embarrassed about it.

I am not sure if your use of the term "bipolar" refers to a medical condition or is a critique of his reporting. If it is the latter, I say that's totally accurate. He approaches the truth of any political situation from a high point one moment only to come crashing down to new lows the next. Totally unpredictable.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #41
54. He voted for him in 2000.
So did my mom. I don't think he voted for * in 2004.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:07 PM
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66. That's right, for quite some time he was adamantly against the war,
we even cautiously thought here at DU, that Mathews might've been redeeming himself, but alas, he went back over to the dark side.

I didn't get to see tonight's show, I wish I had, dang it. I think though it is on again at 3am here on the east coast. I'll have to set the VCR.

This is the closing of his article you linked:

"What will set it apart, distinguishing it for all time, is the immense - and transparent - political stupidity.

A mission to attack one isolated enemy will end up isolating us. A mission justified by the fight with terrorism will give birth to millions of terrorist- supporting haters. In every cafe from Manila to Casablanca, just whom do you think they will be rooting for? Just whom will their kids be killing themselves for?"
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:44 PM
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101. He isn't bipolar. That article summed up Tweety's true feelings.
Problem is, General Electric would not pay him millions to espouse that point of view. Look what happened to Donahue. So Chris whored himself and continues, for the most part, to espouse a viewpoint that he does not believe in his heart.

This is the same guy who would have pissed his pants to work in communications for the Clinton administration.

Anyone who listens to him on Hardball should rarely take anything he says seriously. It's entertainment. He bashes Dems because he gets paid very well to do it.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:53 PM
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24. Chris if you read this ,
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 10:44 PM by G_j
(and I hope you do) know that this speaks for me also. I was one of the countless people trying to save this ship of fools from disaster and criminal war ( who was ignored, marginalized, threatened and called a traitor).
I'm not sure thanks are in order

& YES, by all means report the truth!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:05 PM
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37. I emailed this thread to him. Let his ass know how you feel.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:15 PM
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45. God, how I love that Chris Matthews!
So how do you like my impersonation of him ....
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:40 PM
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60. Thanks Samantha....
I had a couple of posts along the same lines here, after I watched his early broadcast. I agree with everything you say.

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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:53 PM
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25. Who cares if we respect him
He has been on this leak and distorting fact things more then anyone else the last few weeks. He says some stupid things or doesn't call people on distortions but compared to others he is giving this a good treatment.

I don't have much respect for pundits but I am happy for anyone giving this time. Loved hearing Levin speaking tonight.

I had avoided his show for a long time, sometimes just clicking on to it to see if Gregory was filling in because I love Gregory. But last month I checked in and he was talking about the leak and I started watching. I will watch this week too and if it gets disgusting I will turn it off.

I don't have to respect him to appreciate this getting air time.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:22 PM
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53. I respect your opinion
My point is had he spoken up at the same time we here at DU did, and simply stuck with the truth, how many more people might be alive today to appreciate his courage? Maybe my neighbor's son, my friend's friend. It is too late for many, that's all I am trying to say.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:27 PM
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71. You are so right
I appreciate any politician or media person speaking up now, it is better late then never.

But in this case it is way too late for so many..our military lost or wounded there, the many Iraqis killed and wounded, their homes destroyed.
The reputation and the very soul of America is torn and tattered.

We've been speaking out for a very long time, it should have been them and not just us demanding to be heard, leading the way.

The war should not have been, bush should have lost in a landslide.

Still I am glad that at last the tide is turning, it would be even worse if our Senators were still meek and the MSM all still all blindly spouting bush's lines.

I don't blame you for your anger. I am angry too. I am just so relieved truth is in the air, there is movement. This has been a shameful, shameful mess.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:54 PM
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27. No matter what he does
he is still a Republican apologist period. I vowed never to listen to another words he says after the memo fiasco.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:56 PM
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28. You're wrong about Chris Matthews - he opposed going into Iraq.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/nr_comment041003.asp

Chris Matthews
“To Iraq and Ruin”
August 25, 2002, the San Francisco Chronicle

This invasion of Iraq, if it goes off, will join the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Desert One, Beirut and Somalia in the history of military catastrophe.

The American people are not committed to a U.S. invasion of Iraq. Cheney's staff is. Rumsfeld's deputies are. The White House speech-writing office is. The guys they're working under are.

But what about the families of those who will do the fighting? What about the country that will have to suffer the casualties that are the wreckage of every war?

(snip)

A mission to attack one isolated enemy will end up isolating us. A mission justified by the fight with terrorism will give birth to millions of terrorist-supporting haters. In every cafe from Manila to Casablanca, just whom do you think they will be rooting for? Just whom will their kids be killing themselves for?


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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:57 PM
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29. He's just following orders.
Maybe if we pay his salary, he'll listen to us.



The biggest robbery in the history of mankind. And they helped pull it off.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:43 PM
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61. It's about deflecting BLAME from Russert and GE/MSNBC. He's
doing Corporate Shilling...but we need to take what we can get these days. At least he allows Schuster to do a wonderful Timeline for his viewers who don't know all that we do.

But...in the end it sounds like GE's Lawyers are getting worried about Libby Trial. Libby sticks by his story that the Reporters told him.

Tweety, Russert and Andrea Mitchell were all contacte about PlameGate.

They have to blame somebody.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:00 PM
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34. Na na na, No *I* Won't Respect Tweety in the Morning, Nup nup, NOt me! n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 07:10 AM
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82. Cuz you're always smart about Smeogal/Matthews. NBC is all about covering
their butts right now so they are playing catch up journalism to protect themselves. So when the next war looms on the horizon, they can have some credibility to push that war, too.

The news dept. at NBC is now the PR dept for the rest of the company which just happens to bank its greater profits from the WAR POLICY of BushInc.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:04 PM
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36. and tonight's episode -- John Fund/Matthews/Chuck Todd
all in unison: "It's Bill Clinton and the Democrats' fault".

So now the Democrats are responsible for Bush's lies -- I suppose they made him lie to us about the war. I don't care if the Dems voted for the USE OF FORCE or not, Bush lied and lied and lied and lied. They foolishly trusted the lying bastard. Or they may have had their own agendas. No matter: bottom line is BUSH INVADED IRAQ.

Not the Democrats.

Not Bill Clinton.

Bush did it.

They authorized him the use of force, dependent on him going back to the UN. Bush promptly withdrew the inspectors, and the bombs started dropping.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:26 PM
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56. Yes, it was very deceptive the way he approached this
He blamed the Democrats who voted to give Bush* the authority to go to war for failing to act like an opposition party. The fact that the intelligence given in support of the war was cherrypicked by the Office of Special Plans, an organization set up by Feith outside of the control of Congress (which is strictly unconstitutional) went unmentioned.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:18 PM
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69. They cite Clinton when it's convienient, don't they?
I was boiling and yelling at the TV today while listening to the Republicans on the Senate floor today quote and quote out of context President Clinton. How easy it is for them to belittle the man one day, then the next use him as their defense for lies, sabotage, forgery and rewritten history they themselves have inflicted upon us.

How they belittled him and accused him of wagging the dog ... Gawd, I hate these bastards.

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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:06 PM
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39. What else has he been fooled on? What other info has he been
holding back? Tweety may write articles on against the Iraq War but he always defends Bush!!
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:13 PM
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42. Isn't it better late than never?
If anyone changes gears and helps inform the public, shouldn't this be a good thing?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:13 PM
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43. Wait five minutes
He'll turn back again.

Instead of Tweety, we should call him Sybil.

I slipped up this weekend and called him that to someone's face. They gave me such a confused look. I had to explain that was his nickname here.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:14 PM
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44. Hey Tweety! Who would you rather have a beer with? Kerry or Bush????
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Clyde39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:16 PM
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46. "It reminds me of Snoopy thinking he's the Red Baron"
Matthews mocked Gore in a malicious way, but did he mock Bush back then? I have NO respect for him----at all.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:17 PM
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47. Chuck Todd is a disappointment.
I watched him on C-Span...and I should have realized he is a rightie, but I thought he had some credibility. He proved me wrong tonight on Hardball. H said it was "Weak" for the Dems to come out against the Pre-War evidence...because many voted against it"...But!!!! WE WERE ALL LIED TO!!! i AM SO SICK OF THE dEMS GETTING ATTACKED FOR EVERY MOVE THEY MAKE
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:17 PM
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48. He strokes the back of the power that be. Never trust Mathews for a friend
I mean a personal friend. Flush him like the rest of them.

He deserves a cell next to Scooter.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:19 PM
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49. Wrong. Tweety's always been against the war in Eyerack. Early and often.
He laid off and boosted the troops during the invasion, which I don't find inappropriate.

The article that alcuno links to in post #20 should make clear where Matthews has stood from the beginning. He, in fact, has been persistent and challenging of Boosh's Folly, particularly over the Plame affair. You should read the transcript of the show alcuno references, that Libby was bitching about to Russert. The real power in the admin has been Pork Chop Boy, and it takes a pair to go straight at the dark-hearted bastard as Matthews has. And does.

I disagree with Tweety on many things such as Shrub worship and Clenis envy, etc. However, it pays to know what the positions are and where the disagreements lie.

As Moynihan said, we're entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Matthews has always been anti-Eyerack War.

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/chrismatthews/071303.asp (Chris Matthews Show, July 2003, which caused Libby to make the complaint call that he's indicted for lying about)


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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:33 PM
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59. Wait a minute
He has at least one draft-age son. I thought when the war started it would be very interesting to watch Chris Matthews weigh his political expediency against a potential threat against his offspring. If you are saying because he from time to time spoke out against the war, I will say in response, he has been unpredictable and inconsistent these last two years. There have been times when he has been praising Bush* and others in this administration when I have had to get up and walk out of the room.

The fact you and others can post a thread with Matthews opposing the war does not change the fact he is a Bush* proponent and helped install him into the Oval Office and during the time of this war he has praised this administration and the conduct of the war. You cannot claim he has been consistent. We have all observed him in action.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:17 PM
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68. You wait a minute.
The facts matter. Truth matters.

I understand how you can hate Matthews. I understand how you can disagree with him on many, many things. I can understand your turning off his show in disgust, as I have done plenty of times.

None of that changes the simple to understand fact that Tweety was against going to war with Iraq and was never in favor of going to war with Iraq. He expressed these views publicly on his show and other shows and in print, and it's there for all to see.

Hate him, disagree with him, be disgusted with him, but it ill serves you and him and your readers to misrepresent his views.

/end of sermon :)

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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 06:02 AM
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78. I don't hate Chris Matthews -- I just don't respect him
If you take the position he was opposed to the war and consistently held to this (and the latter is the tricky part) how do you reconcile that position with his statement tonight that the press was played like a pinball machine. By inference he included himself. Thus, if Matthews himself looked into that camera and played the I was fooled card, how do you stand by your position he consistently opposed the war when obviously he was excusing himself for not doing so.

I just don't understand while he was unquestionably saying he was played, among other members of the press, you can state unequivocably he consistently opposed this war. My point is he may have opposed it one day, and you might have something in writing to back that up, I myself have heard him take this position from time to time, I just have not seen him stick with it. That is my whole point. Matthews' truth is simply a truth for the moment, not the distance the issue runs.
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:20 PM
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50. If it was one of his sons were going to this war, he would've still kisse
d butt.

The man has no ethics or morals.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:20 PM
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51. My neck hurts watching his political tennis match for 5 years
He'll be back to kissing Bush's ass tomorrow, or the next day or next week. All he gives a shit about is keeping his ratings up and collecting his paycheck and sell the next book he writes. Screw Tweety.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:20 PM
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52. The political winds that woke Chris up tonight:
US broke diplomatic ties to Syria. Chris knows what's going to happen if the WHIG people are allowed to continue unchecked.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:24 PM
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55. OT - Dammit, Samantha,
...now I've got that Def Leppard song stuck in my head!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:29 PM
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58. What report??? Link?
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:49 PM
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63. In the advertisement for the show, NBC refers to it as a "special report"
You can check it out yourself, as the "report" will be continued this week. The report is the show, got it?
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:47 PM
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62. Samantha I hope you write for a living.
Beautifully said and thank you for posting.

Needless to say, I concur*
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 06:13 AM
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79. What a beautiful compliment, thank you
No, I do not write for a living. I have fooled around with some creative writing in my past and I have loved it.

I have no goals for being paid to write political commentary because I love the uncensored word. Somehow the passion would probably be suppressed if there were a buck involved somehow .... My goal is instead to stoke people on the net to focus on the issues and start thinking about how to address them. When people like you read what I write and send me nice compliments, I feel like an unqualified success! Thank you, Shauce.

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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:58 PM
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64. I am happy the Truth is being reported, for whatever reasons
as for respect for this event, no. Because you have laid with the dogs, you have fleas. You lost your credibility. What is there to respect? 2055 US lives lost, 100,000+ Iraqi lives lost.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:01 AM
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72. He's had my head spinning for about a month now; he seems to want
to be seen as tough and fair and really playing hardball with all sides, when it's obvious to me he's a real Tweety-come-lately to realization/acknowledgement of certain truths.
He has been about as complicit in the misinformation/disinformation and total absence of the MSM as a factor in getting to the truth as anyone could be in the run up to the war; he fawns over reThuglican guests and agrees with the most inane of their statements, while interrupting progressive guests just to hear the sound of his own voice.
I have had little use for him after he was GUSHING over Ahhhhhnold and his ludicrous little speech at the RNC; that told me what a whore he was right there, and I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary since.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:47 AM
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74. My last straw with him came during VP debates
Cheney sat there against Edwards and lied his ass off. Matthews led a discussion that focused on how Cheney blew Edwards away...not my observation at all. Matthews said that "Cheney came loaded for bear and found squirrel." The bias in his comments and those of his guests was disgusting and Rush-like.

Matthews also helped keep Swift Boat Liars afloat.

His redemption, and others', lies not in jumping on the bandwagon but in standing up and saying they have betrayed the public trust, have erred, apologize, and go on to work tirelessly to bring the honest truth to America. Until then, my embargo stands....Haven't watched in over a year.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:51 AM
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75. I don't trust him either
Ever since I found out in January of 2004 he went to Boehemian Grove I've been weary and of course seeing with my own eyes how he flipflops through telling bits and pieces of the truth and sucking Bush's balls.
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drfresh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 02:13 AM
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76. He gets some credit in my book
Better late than never. And I don't really think he was a bush puppet that much to begin with.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 03:48 AM
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77. I saw that this afternoon
I couldn't help but think "And you, Mr. Matthews. You also led us into war."

Peace.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 06:19 AM
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80. Yes he did
He did his part, and that's the irrefutable truth.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 06:59 AM
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81. It was All Swift Boats All the Time during the election
which he occasionally rotated with endless discussions about gay marriage. This is when I lost total respect for forever. I still shake my head about Bush's free pass and also how NO JOURNALIST ANYWHERE said, "hey! what's that hump on Bush's back?" during the debates.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:42 AM
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90. Tweety fought the Swiftboat Liar Brigade better than Kerry ever did.
Sorry Kerry fans, but it's true. Here's part of an exchange with Michelle Malkin on Hardball, August 19, 2004.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5765243

MATTHEWS: What do you make of the president‘s—this campaign being run on behalf of the president, if not officially to try destroy John Kerry‘s war record?

MALKIN: I don‘t think that President Bush orchestrated this at all.

MATTHEWS: Why doesn‘t he call up and say stop it.

MALKIN: Well, look he‘s already made his statement. The White House said, it doesn‘t associate itself with these 527 campaigns, any of them. And he said that Kerry has served nobly. What else do you want him to say?

MATTHEWS: Well, back when we had the Willie Horton Act, back in 1988, all that Jim Baker or anybody at the White House campaign had to do was call on behalf of President Bush Sr., and say stop running that racist ad. Nobody ever did, OK. I‘m asking if you‘re speaking on behalf of President Bush, why doesn‘t he make a phone call to these veterans, including Mr. Thurlow and say stop running the ads. Why doesn‘t he do that?

MALKIN: Well first I‘m not here speaking on behalf of the Bush campaign. Second of all...

MATTHEWS: Well, do you think these guys should be running.

MALKIN: Well, second of all, you brought up Willie Horton. I think that‘s quite interesting that you did. The underlying implication is that some how this is a Republican orchestrated thing, just like the swift boat campaign. Of course, it was Al Gore who brought up Willie Horton first.

MATTHEWS: No, the ads. No the ads were ran, by something called the American Security Council supporting President Bush.

MALKIN: And who made the issue—who made the issue germane, Al Gore and the Democrats. And it‘s the same thing here, John Kerry said, bring it on and the Swift Boat Veterans have brought it on.

MATTHEWS: Fair enough. So you—lets get your position here on the program, since you are on the program. Your position it‘s OK, for the veteran groups to attack John Kerry on this issue?

MALKIN: They are exercising their free speech, absolutely.

MATTHEWS: And the president is totally innocent in this campaign. He has nothing to do with it.

MALKIN: Well, I don‘t think so. Yes. Yes, there were Bush supporters who helped fund the ads. But this was not directed from the White House.

MATTHEWS: When the president says publicly that he has no problem with John Kerry‘s war record, in fact he finds it noble, is that hypocritical or is that honest?

MALKIN: I think it is absolutely honest.

MATTHEWS: Because what? What makes it honest?

Because how they are attacking Kerry?

MALKIN: He can‘t—he did not control these—there was no—can you show me directive that said, Swift Boat Veterans do this.

MATTHEWS: I‘m waiting for the phone call that said stop doing it, buddies.

MALKIN: It is interesting. I saw the interrogation of Larry Thurlow. All I can say if the main stream media interrogated these private citizens, and did that as aggressively as...

MATTHEWS: Nobody has ever called me mainstream before but thank your for the (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I guess I‘m big time now.

MALKIN: Aggressively as...

MATTHEWS: I think the president, if he wanted this to stop would make one phone call. Karl Rove, would make one phone call and that would be the end of the ads. That‘s what think, and you know that‘s true, right?

MALKIN: Well, there...

MATTHEWS: Is that true? If he wanted to stop them, he could stop them.

MALKIN: No, I don‘t think he could. No. I don‘t.


SNIP


MALKIN: Well, yes. Why don‘t people ask him more specific questions about the shrapnel in his leg. They are legitimate questions about whether or not it was a self-inflicted wound.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: What do you mean by self-inflicted? Are you saying he shot himself on purpose? Is that what you‘re saying?

MALKIN: Did you read the book...

MATTHEWS: I‘m asking a simple question. Are you saying that he shot himself on purpose.

MALKIN: I‘m saying some of these soldiers...

MATTHEWS: And I‘m asking question.

MALKIN: And I‘m answering it.

MATTHEWS: Did he shoot himself on purpose.

MALKIN: Some of the soldiers have made allegations that these were self-inflicted wounds.

MATTHEWS: No one has ever accused him of shooting himself on purpose.

MALKIN: That these were self-inflicted wounds.

MATTHEWS: Your saying there are—he shot himself on purpose, that‘s a criminal act?

MALKIN: I‘m saying that I‘ve read the book and some of the...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: I want an answer yes or no, Michelle.

MALKIN: Some of the veterans say...

MATTHEWS: No. No one has every accused him of shooting himself on purpose.

MALKIN: Yes. Some of them say that.

MATTHEWS: Tell me where that...

MALKIN: Self-inflicted wounds—in February, 1969.

MATTHEWS: This is not a show for this kind of talk. Are you accusing him of shooting himself on purpose to avoid combat or to get credit?

MALKIN: I‘m saying that‘s what some of these...

MATTHEWS: Give me a name.

MALKIN: Patrick Runyan (ph) and William Zeldonaz (ph).

MATTHEWS: They said—Patrick Runyan...

MALKIN: These people have...

MATTHEWS: And they said he shot himself on purpose to avoid combat or take credit for a wound?

MALKIN: These people have cast a lot of doubt on whether or not...

MATTHEWS: That‘s cast a lot of doubt. That‘s complete nonsense.

MALKIN: Did you read the section in the book...

MATTHEWS: I want a statement from you on this program, say to me right, that you believe he shot himself to get credit for a purpose of heart.

MALKIN: I‘m not sure. I‘m saying...

MATTHEWS: Why did you say?

MALKIN: I‘m talking about what‘s in the book.

MATTHEWS: What is in the book. Is there—is there a direct accusation in any book you‘ve ever read in your life that says John Kerry ever shot himself on purpose to get credit for a purple heart? On purpose?

MALKIN: On.

MATTHEWS: On purpose? Yes or no, Michelle.

MALKIN: In the February 1969 -- in the February 1969 event.

MATTHEWS: Did he say on it purpose.

MALKIN: There are doubts about whether or not it was intense rifle fire or not. And I wish you would ask these questions of John Kerry instead of me.

MATTHEWS: I have never heard anyone say he shot himself on purpose.

I haven‘t heard you say it.

MALKIN: Have you tried to ask—have you tried ask John Kerry these questions?

MATTHEWS: If he shot himself on purpose. No. I have not asked him that.

MALKIN: Don‘t you wonder?

MATTHEWS: No, I don‘t. It‘s never occurred to me.



I don't believe Malkin was there for the next segment, although he said she would be back. She probably ran from the studio in tears.

You should also read in that same transcript as Matthews comes down on the main Swiftboatter, Larry Thurlow, like a running ton of brick. Thurlow left that session with a new one.

:evilgrin:

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:08 AM
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83. Just put the wet blanket over your head Mathews and pack it in you windbag
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:22 AM
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84. Tweety is slimy
Every time I see him, I get the feeling he'll just bat for whatever side is winning. Right now, Dems have the moral high ground and he knows it by his ratings.

I just don't trust him. I've seen him lop softball question to republicans and he tried to tear into Dean. He messed with my DEAN! I refuse to turn his show on for that!
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:39 AM
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85. This is dedicated to Tweety and friends
Tools for Treason
Spinners for the sinners
are snaking through the airwaves.
Sickening,sycophants
normalizing treason,
or something.
Apologizing,appeasing,
Willfully ignorant?
Criminally stupid?
or lying for the
lying liars.
And you, MO FO's in the media
are in on it.
With blood dripping
from your hands,
How does it feel to
betray your country?
Was last years election fun enough for you?
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:59 AM
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86. I hope you sent it to HIM and didn't just post it here. nt.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:21 AM
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88. I put Chris Matthews right up there with
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Delay, & the rest of the right wing neocons!

There is absolutely nothing that will change my mind that he is just a piece of shit like the rest of them.
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CanOfWhoopAss Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:49 AM
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92. Tweety can lie from both sides of his mouth while farting through his nose
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 10:53 AM by CanOfWhoopAss
He gives just enough truth to appear credible to the credulous. Excellent call and post.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:11 AM
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93. I won't be fooled again
During the 9/11 hearings Matthews had the New Jersey wives on quite a bit and seemed genuinely outraged at what was coming out. I thought he honestly had an epiphany and was starting to see LIHOP. I thought maybe, once he realized how evil the Bush administration is he would stop serving as their mouthpiece.

(No, I don't want to buy a bridge)

That didn't last long. I see the same pattern here.

I'm glad Hardball is covering the lies that took us to war. Any publicity is good publicity . . .

And I understand that he personally spoke out against going to war.

But the only way I will ever respect or TRUST him is if he comes forward to reveal how the content of "news" on NBC and its affiliated stations (MSNBC, CNBC, etc.) is pasturized, sanitized, twisted and spun.

I'm not holding my breath.
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:11 AM
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94. I understand where you are coming from....
but we MUST encourage the reporting....thank God we have it...
they were wrong before...we all know it
but in all fairness Chris Matthews talked often about Dick Cheney's Office of Special PLans....a lot!

we just need to encourage what is being reported now and move on...the exposure of the truth needs to remain the focus....not whether you like the guy or not!
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:14 AM
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95. I don't care how the truth gets out as long as it does.
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 11:15 AM by sepia_steel
And i really don't care who in the mainstream media does it.
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:40 PM
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96. I agree. DUer's need to stop bashing people who are reporting Bushco
disasters. Many people on DU are way too negative. The lies about Bushco are starting to be revealed, to the public, yet many here have to find something to complain about.

I bet if Bush was impeached tomorrow, these same people would still find something wrong with how it was done or how it was reported. It's really ridiculous. Get a life Cranky DUers! :spank:
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:43 PM
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97. Damn right negative. . .proud of it!
Like I've to pull punches because I'm too negative. . .same mind set as those who label me a LIBERAL.

Just mentally juxtapose Keith Olbermann and this motor-mouth Tweety Turnaround. . .'nuf said.

My folks always said NOT to trust a fast talker since they usually change their argument before you absorb what they said.

Chris Matthews guilty participation in the spin for B* DEADLY policies will not be forgotten by me. . .nor forgiven UNLESS he makes a PUBLIC ADMISSION of REMORSE.



:argh:
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:38 AM
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105. See my post below, #104.
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 10:40 AM by Verve
You gotta be kidding me. This has been a bleak historical time for journalists. Any journalist that went against Shrub was reprimanded or fired. We need journalists that will not get themselves fired but can push the truth to the limit.

Unless you're living in a journalist's shoes, in this day and age, you have no right to put down someone that is trying to get the truth out.

Negativity Does NOT help our Cause!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:38 PM
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100. I like Matthews.
People who do not appreciate the fact that Matthews' personal attorneys, as well as (MS)NBC's attorneys had advised him not to talk openly about the Plame case are entitled to their views. But I disagree. He had reasons not to talk openly that made sense to him.

Right now, no one else on the corporate media has spoke as openly or as forcefully as Matthews. Tonight, for example, he showed that Cheney is a liar. More, he identified the role the vice president played -- including saying that Libby is appears to be hiding something significant involving Cheney.

In fact, Matthews knows something that is being rumored in various forms in Washington circles. But where others are speculating, Matthews knows. And his reporting is helping to upset the tactics of the Cheney and Rove camps, which benefits the general public.
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:31 AM
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104. Wholeheartedly agree!
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 10:38 AM by Verve
I'd rather have a reporter that knows how much he can push the line without being fired than a reporter that pushes the line and gets fired. We need coverage of the atrocities of this White House. Unfortunately, our "free press" has not been "free" since Bush has been in office.

Matthews has been quiet when he needed to be. He and others, less than a year ago, could and would be reprimanded for speaking out against Bush.

Remember Ashleigh Banfield from MSNBC? She became a star reporter for her coverage of 9/11 and her on the ground reporting of Iraq. She was harshly reprimanded (and fired?) from MSNBC after giving a speech against Iraq.

Remember Olbermann's bizarre vacation while he was zealously covering election fraud? Remember Dan Rather?

When you go after these criminals too zealously, they'll find away to silence the press. We don't need that. We need journalists, like Matthews (and Olbermann)who know how to tow the line without being silenced. Chipping away at Bushco a bit at a time is how he will be destroyed. A journalist who crosses the line and gets fired does nothing for our cause.
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SeanQ Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:56 AM
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103. Hell NO!! n/t
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