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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:46 PM
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WE ARE F*CKING COMPLACENT!! WHY Are We NOT In The Streets NOW????
ok. look all.

I, along with many other DUers marched on Washington. We PROTESTED!!!

WHY OH WHY ARE WE NOT DOING IT NOW???????

THAT M*THERFUCKER IN THE WH LIED DAMMIT!!!!!

WE KNEW IT AT THE TIME!!

WE KNOW IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHERE ARE THE PROTESTS??????????
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE????????????
WHERE IS "OUR" VOICE????????????

G*DM*THERF*CKINGDAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!

OUR TIME IS NOW!! OUR TIME IS HERE!!

MARCH ON F*CKING WASHINGTON!!!

NOW!!
NOW!!
NOW!!

*sigh*

this will probably be lost in the archives within an hour but DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WANNA BE HEARD ON CAPITOL HILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we OWE it to ourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TAKE IT TO THE F*CKING STREETS DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:49 PM
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1. Bread and circuses
Bread and circuses that is why. Take away all the comforts of home from Americans and then you will see a revolution--you will not see it when people are well fed, well entertained, fat, lazy, complacent and uneducated. There will need to be an occupation of America by some foreigh land in order that there be a revolution. Unitl then, George Bush and other like him, although extremely entertaining and almost funny, will be in charge.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:51 PM
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6. BULLSHIT!!
why aren't WE in the STREETS right now???

i don't give a DAMN about "Joe Sixpack"!!

WE

WE

WE MARCHED BEFORE HAND!!

WHY arent' WE marching NOW???????

WE are FAILING our country
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 07:45 AM
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52. WHERE? WHEN? Create Links w/ military families?
I'd bet some would like to voice their opinions now that the truth has come into the light and the roaches are scurrying.
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Shakeydave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 07:59 PM
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61. Geezus! Let's put it together now!
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh!
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:50 PM
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2. Protests
This morning Walt Starr brought up this very question and was going to contact peace organizations about an event on August 23. Has there been any followup? We most definitely should be in the streets again.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:53 PM
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7. I've sent emails to various online groups
No answers yet.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:50 PM
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3. I started a thread about this earlier today
Suggested August 23rd.

Theme should be:

SUPPORT THE TROOPS, BRING 'EM ON HOME!

It died a horrible death due to severe apathy...
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DODI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:50 PM
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4. We still have a peace protest weekly
in West Hartford. It is time to go back. Anything up in NYC? Last one was great, 6/24/03. Shrub was getting $$$. We were in the streets. It was a great energy.
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Yentatelaventa Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:50 PM
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5. Are you in DC?
I have to work in the AM. Maybe after I get laid off but getting fired is not an option right now.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:54 PM
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8. Let me find my links......I TRIED to get something off the ground.....
Or ON the ground, actually.

The message to me from DU is loud and clear: people think doing what they currently do (which can be from letters to various pro-active things liking writing Impeach Bush on dollar bills) is sufficient right now........

For me......I am getting hooked up with united4peace. They have a weekly activist conference call (this week's was earlier today, but I didn't know about it then), and apparently they have some marches planned later in the fall. Everyone seems to be planning their marches for the fall.

But I BELIEVE with my whole heart that if we can 500,000 people onto the streets about the same time the 9/11 report comes out, that will SEAL the coffin on the bush junta. I know it! And that's about 10 days from now......

The 9/11 report is going to say they are pretty sure the FUNDING for the 9/11 terrorists came from SAUDI ARABIA.....intentional or unintentional.

What middle eastern group was OMITTED from the Great Immigration Muslim Roundup by Ashcroft? SAUDI NATIONALS!

Who were the people WHISKED away the night of 9/11 in a plane when the air space was CLOSED, with the assistance of the Bush admin? SAUDIS

The coverup for the REAL terrorists and the culpables in this WHOLE THING by the Bush admin should cause enough outrage that we wouldnt' even need a congressional hearing.......the Bushes would just PACK UP AND LEAVE!!!!!!! But that's only if we FREAK OUT in the streets about this!

I am with you mat.......but if people think everything is just going swimmingly, that bush is getting his due......what can we do? You are far more popular on DU than me (understatement).......YOU keep rallying, and I will stand behind you the whole way. GO DUDE.....jostle this crowd.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:57 PM
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13. Here's a link to an organization request.....for street protests
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:58 PM
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15. I'll "jostle" The FUCKERS
this is NOT a popularity contest!

I AM BULLSHIT!!

ARE YOU ALL TALK OR ALL ACTION???

Yeah, I am SHITTING down YOUR Throats Right Now!

DEAL WITH IT!!

ROCK ON!!! :bounce:

we WILL Protest!!! Oh YES...... WE WILL!!!!
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:35 PM
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34. Hee hee......you should the response if *I* said that.....
Yikers!~

Which is fine......hey.....you're one of the fun guys on DU...and it delights me to NO END that you are hitting us up the side of the head. You have the clout, dude!

Now.....I think you should do a protest of your own......change your little stair climbing happy face on static with his BUTT mooning us all until we cede to this most worthy request!!!!!!
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:24 PM
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39. I'm ready! Right now.
Edited on Wed Jul-16-03 10:25 PM by MUAD_DIB
Let's fuck the petulant child up some.

Let's make him run away to Crawford while we do the Capitol.


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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:17 PM
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25. I second that "GO DUDE," mat.
I think scheduling protests for the fall is WAAAAAAYY too late. We need to jump on something NOW. While there's a nice scab to be picked. The media is finally starting to wake up and do their jobs. They're ripe for this now. They smell chum in the water. This would give them more to cover and more with which to enlarge their story.

Who else can I call or email? I'll do it. I'm probably calling something like a dozen different congressmembers and senators a day now.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:55 PM
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9. Organization is lacking
Edited on Wed Jul-16-03 07:55 PM by jpgray
But people like to talk a lot more than they like to do. I'm sure that's part of it. I'm not willing to devote a few years of my life to organize something, and if that's common feeling (as I imagine it is), that's one of the problems. After all, I can work crappy jobs and live happily, so why bother? That's another problem.

Everyone agrees it should be done. Everyone wants to have some cake, but they don't want to spend time baking.
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Ponderer Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:56 PM
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10. What are we protesting against?
The war is over.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:00 PM
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17. It's beyond the "war",,,it's about Lies and Impeachment!
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:00 PM
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18. No, the massacre is over.
The war is starting.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:56 PM
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11. Mobilize Now!
Matcom, I am so with you on this. I was going stir crazy last Saturday and said the same thing here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=28662&mesg_id=28662&listing_type=search

I truly share your rage and opinion.

Now is the time to take to the streets.

Let our voices be heard like never before.

Stop the War.
Stop the Killing.
Impeach Bush.
Impeach Cheney.

We must all begin to mobilize for the streets as we did before the war.

Our troops are committing suicide.

Stop the War Now!
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JeniB Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:57 PM
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12. How about...
an organized nationwide protest like the one MoveOn did with the candlelight vigil? A lot of people can't just up and go to Washington, but in our own towns would work. I agree we need to let it be known that this was a bad thing (unfortunately there are citizens who don't get it unless we make a fuss). Let's do it!
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:04 PM
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19. Exactly.....people need to be shown that their outrage isn't unique!
I remember 9/11, catching the first drift of what had happened (I am on the west coast...so the towers were DOWN by the time I learned anything).

And I sat there...not able to FILE the information anywhere.....so stunned and shocked that I couldn't accurately judge it for the horror that it was. I was so shaken...but I didn't know if it was just ME.....or if this really was a BIG THING. It was just incomprehensible to me. Within a bit, I of course was able to put it in its true light.....

But I think that middle america is watching this stuff about the lies and deceptions to get us into this invasion.....and they might feel some outrage.....but perhaps they don't really understand that it isn't just them.....this is really a heinous administration.

A major national protest would pave the way to allow middle america to say, HEY.....this is a BIG DEAL......get these crooks and murderers out of here.

It would work.....it would TURN more than the majority of our country around. We just have to lead the way!!!!!!
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JeniB Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:11 PM
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21. Right... but I just thought of one more thing.
It has to be campaign free. It has to be all of us together against Bush. No Democratic campaign signs or it will be a contest of the campaigns and not a protest against Bush. All of us united against him!!
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:19 PM
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29. EXACTLY.....ZERO campaigning......ZERO.....not even a t-shirt!
Sorry, but it's got to be pure AMERICAN CITIZENRY speaks out. Absolutely.

Because......the outrage that can be tapped for this spans EVERY class, political group, age, gender, sexual orientation.....the whole bread basket. Indeed.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 06:05 PM
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54. This is an excellent idea
It could bring like-minded people together and let them realize that they're not alone. The unfortunate thing is the lack of media coverage. Millions marched throughout the world to protest Bush* impending war, but this was largely ignored by the American press, while it was front-page news elsewhere. In my small town, the very impressive showing for the candlelight vigil was ignored by the local newspaper. They finally did a story on the daily gathering by the anti-war folks a few days later, but the photo that they published was of the lone ``support the troops'' guy that showed up with his hand-made sign.:-(
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 07:57 PM
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14. I was there in NYC! and I will go again! What's "UnitedforPeace"
doing? They were really good on Feb.15, 2003!
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:00 PM
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16. I'd be there in a minute
I'd love to stick it to the usuerper in thief. I've marched this summer, I've marched this spring, I've worked on a campaign.

As soon as I hear of a march in my area, I'm there.

Currently, I have a sign in my window. I made it myself: Where are the weapons?

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phishhead Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:05 PM
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20. How about a nice quote or two? Yeah, why not..
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."

- Abraham Lincoln

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion."

- Thomas Jefferson



I think its time.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:12 PM
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22. I emailed MoveOn.org today asking that same thing.
I think they need to hear from lots of us.

I think it's info@moveon.org

Anybody else know more places to which we can make this demand?
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:45 PM
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41. I wrote
I've been saying the same thing. Now is the time. I believe many of the previous apathetic Americans, or those who once scoffed at the peace protest movement would be there right alongside us this time.

Protest lies, deceit, fraud, murder, destruction, greed, emotional and economic loss, the list goes on .....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:13 PM
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23. I'm Game and "bring them on"...
the peace people that is....:hippie:
just tell me when and where and I am THERE!!!!
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:15 PM
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24. Isn't there an October 25th (26th) protest in DC planned?
I think ANSWER is the sponsor but frankly that shouldn't matter.

I agree with you whole heartedly too, we should be out before that all over this country.

What about this idea? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=256&mesg_id=256&page=
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PunkinPi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:24 PM
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31. here's the link for Oct.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:17 PM
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26. You're right -- and bring "Bush Lied About 9/11 too" signs to the ralley
Naturally, you are completely right we should we in the streets about these issues. And now is the time to mix in the protest that really will take Bush out if we get some publicity about -- Bush's 9/11 cover-up. Bush lied about that one too, and got away with it for so long that almost everything American's think they know about what happened on 9/11 is false. If protests break down the cover-up in the media and the truth gets out, Bush is a gonner.

Some of the best Scientific writing about what happened on 9/11 is right here in the DU archives... http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/5750.html .
There are other approaches to raising in the consciousness we need to take Bush out. I do it with pictures and music: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/339/how_does_it_feel_to_be_one_of_.html

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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:17 PM
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27. I'm willing to go to DC and call the man a liar
I'll stand in front of the white house yelling

LLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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The_Gopher Donating Member (857 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:21 PM
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30. a taunting chant....like at sports events.....
when the yankees are on the road, some crowds chant "Jeeeeettteerrrrrr" over and over again.

substitute "liiiiiiiaaarrrrrr", add 50K-150K people, and you've got yourself a good time.

another fun chant: "im-peach chimp-y" *clap* *clap* *clap clap clap*
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:18 PM
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28. DUers are planning take to the streets rallies in activism
There is a big thread discussing it :hi:
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:27 PM
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32. United For Peace: Aug 29: World Says No to Bush
WELL.......guys.....this is pushing it further out than I would like......but this is EXACTLY the street protest that we are looking for........THE WORLD SAYS NO TO BUSH!

******Okay......then between now and then.....we gotta do everything we can -- use every resource we have individually and collectively -- to make this the BIGGEST PROTEST MARCH in US History!!!!!!!!! Isn't Congress reconvening right after that from their summer beach vacations?

www.unitedforpeace.org

Save The Date!

August 29, 2004, The World Says No to Bush

On every issue – from environmental regulations and international treaty participation to workers' rights, civil rights and civil liberties – George W. Bush has pushed for unprecedented and destructive changes in U.S. foreign and domestic policy that even more sharply favor corporations and the wealthy, especially Bush Administration supporters, at the expense of the people of the world and our environment. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration shamelessly uses the tragic attacks of September 11, 2001, to justify its aggressive and militaristic policies. In its most recent attempt to exploit the grief and fear provoked by September 11, the Republican Party pushed back its 2004 convention to August 30 through September 2, 2004, and will hold it in New York City, not far from Ground Zero. We will not be silent: On February 15, 2003, millions of people all over the world took to the streets in protest with the message, The World Says No to War. On August 29, 2004, we will come together in New York City and in cities throughout the world to declare, The World Says No to Bush! More »
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:33 PM
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33. Guys...check out UFPJ's website......they list all sorts of local orgs....
Oh yeah.....

Between them and moveon......we got it covered.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:38 PM
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35. Date Saved
:D
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:40 PM
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36. I just wrote to them
and said 8/29/04 will be too late. Too many lives will have been lost by then. What can we do by 8/29/03?
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:58 PM
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37. It is too late.......
But......they've got it on the books.....and honestly, that gives us FIVE weeks to turn their march into a 50-state protest. hell, let's invite Puerto Rico too!

I am personally going to do what I can to get Portland, OR on board for this.

and ya know...there is no reason why we can't suggst to UFPJ that they also help sponsor local protests EVERY SATURDAY to build up to the Aug 29th protest. Almost like advertising by doing up until the BIG DATE. Like get our country in the GROOVE......

I think 5 or 6 weeks planning might just help to make this thing BIG...like it oughta be.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:55 PM
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42. The problem is that it's
2004. That's not 5 to 6 weeks. That's over a year!!!
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:29 PM
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48. BIG CORRECTION.....that AUG 29, 2004.......a year from now!!!!!!
That was just pointed out to me...the date didn't compute in my head. Lord, planning a world-wide march a year from now? Lord knows what will be left of this country then! Harrumph!

Back to square one......unless we can get UFPJ to put their heads together to seize the day TODAY.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 07:59 PM
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62. But,, that's more than a year from now. WE NEED SOMETHING NOW!
We need to strike while the iron is hot. Not after it's cooled down and the Rovians have had plenty of time to fix-n-spin things. NOW!
We need this as urgently as bush needed his damned stinkin' war.
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:09 PM
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38. The lazy brainless generation
we are in our comfort zone,after the fall of the American(bush)empire we will all be finger pointing but it will be too late.AKE UP aMERICA.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:39 PM
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40. Matcom - Check your in-box please n/t
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:58 PM
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43. Ok Matcom, calm down.
Edited on Wed Jul-16-03 11:00 PM by JNelson6563
Not everybody has the resources/proximity to dash off to Washington.

Some of us have been committing significant time, talent and treasure locally and in bigger ways to overthrow this illegitimate regime. Like as in really committing a lot to the cause.

Have I marched in Washington? No.

That was the short list. You don't want the long list which is what I have been doing.

Julie--soldier in the (seemingly) silent but deadly opposition

P.S. Not to take away from anyone who DID go to all those absolutely FAB protests! Where do you think the rest of us have drawn great inspiration??? Just making the point that even though we couldn't make it we're working hard too--some of us at least.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:00 PM
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44. Yeah
I'm just sick and tired of how none of us


Ooooh, shiny!!!

*scamper*
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graphixtech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:08 PM
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45. Set the date,
we will come.
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TheReligiousLeft Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:18 PM
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46. Converge on Cheyenne Wyoming?
I'm thinking Cheyenne is the biggest city in the state, 50,000 people (500,000 in the whole state) so if 10,000 protesters were to come people would listen. If we shake the conservitive midwest... there will be Hell to pay.
That said I'll have to talk to some people and set up a date, but I'd love to get something like this off the ground.
I've only protested in Eugene Oregon before, I need to bring some Eugene to Cheyenne!
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Aleesha Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:25 PM
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47. I'm With You!
I am so digusted with this filthy administration.

I am crieing all of the time, my heart is sick over our soldiers, and knowing deep down that they are being used to protect the precious oil in Iraq makes me sick and I want to strangle someone.

I am pissed off to the point of screaming, and I want Bush and his lieing gangsters out of MY house!!

I would love to see a protest in all states, not just Washington.

80 billion dollars spent to kill our men and women in the military and all for the dirty rotten prick to have his revenge and his oil.

80 billions dollars would feed alot of starving children all over the world.

Let's get this prick out of Washington and elect a man that will help save our worlds children.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 01:11 AM
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49. Same here Aleesha
It's a real struggle to rise above the depression this administration fosters. I have a couple of ideas for signs:

CADILLAC BUSH - BICYCLE ECONOMY

BUSH! GET OUT OF AL'S HOUSE

SOLDIERS DIEING - AMERICA CRYING

WILL WORK FOR FOOD!

BUSH WAR = DESTITUTION

DOWN WITH EMPEROR BUSH

HEY BUDDY BUSH, GOT A QUARTER?

That's all for now, still thinking. Gotta get some sleep, rough day. The sooner we march, the better!



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jafap Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 02:18 AM
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50. Heat index here is 110
Take to the streets on a sunny, summer day in Kansas? You are outta your mind. I say that we learn from the example of our supposed leader. Every month on the anniversary of the start of Gulf war II, we call in to work and say: "The British government recently learned that I am too sick to goto work today."
More than marching and carrying a sign. That is a protest that does something - it cuts into corporate profits. And I truly am sick of this administration.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 03:51 AM
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51. I think I know why
Perhaps it is because the official "opposition" party went along with the war, the PATRIOT ACT, Afghanistan, etc., and their diehard supporters would rather attack the antiwar/anti-corporatist opposition as "unelectable" or "unattractive" and any number of ludicrous irrelevancies and baseless charges while they (supposedly) try to garnish support for their centrist preferences from an increasingly disenfranchised fully liberal voter base that cannot abide the hypocrisy and complicity of the get/go along brain washees and their handlers. The media has a firm control on those who would place superficialities above politics, and the Democratic Party has repeatedly, consistently shown itself committed to winnowing out their own vocal critics of bipartisan warmongering corporatism at the earliest opportunity, despite the flesh and blood consequences. It isnt so hard to get millions in the street, but it may be nearly impossible to wrest control of the two party system from the single circle of elites who pull the strings, and those who perhaps even unwittingly, support them wholeheartedly. If these folks could see the joke is on them, it would take days, not weeks to overturn the fascists who stole democracy while we were looking.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 07:47 AM
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53. Nightly protests. Why not?
Check out this link that sort of petered out after the war began.

It could be retooled...

www.cosmicseed.net/a/midnightpeaceyell.htm
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 06:07 PM
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55. You're right, M! We oughta be!
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 06:08 PM by ElementaryPenguin
And hopefully will be soon!
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 06:42 PM
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56. I'm not going to fucking go into the street if no one else is
and no one else is

I tried to tell Dems to do it once the Bush lie became clear, and people were like "ohhhhhhh nooooooooo....gotta wait! goota be diplomatic! goota wait for the vote in 04!"

Oh wait, they're STILL saying that :eyes:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 06:48 PM
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57. If I organize another DU gathering in DC for the next protest....
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 06:51 PM by LynneSin
Will you and others come?

That was the best damn protest I've been to through all that I've attended.

And I'll organize another one again

http://www.internationalanswer.org/campaigns/o25/index.html

Oh btw, on July 30th, my peace group from Delaware will have another protest outside the local federal building in downtown Wilmington. It's a lunchtime protest - join us if you're in Wilmington!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 07:49 PM
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58. HELLO????
Edited on Thu Jul-24-03 08:19 PM by G_j
I've been asking the same questiion. I've posted this information that took some digging on my part before with abosolutely ZERO interest here. I think we need to be asking why major organizations can't get on the same page. I forgot to bookmark my threads so I hope am not not wasting my time again trying to put this together. As you may or may not know, ANSWER has called for a mass mobilization on Oct. 25. They sent an invitation to UFPJ which contains this statement, "We would like to take this opportunity to extend an invitation to United for Peace and Justice to form a united front with the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition in order to build the broadest possible mobilization. We would propose that there be an equal sharing of responsibility for logistics and mobilization and for the creation of the program on the day of the demonstration."

I'm not a big fan of ANSWER but this seems to address one of the major problems many of us have had with them in the past, although there may be more than meets the eye. But I do want to know more, please read the call for unity I have posted at the end.

-----------------------------------------
The letters,

Dear Sisters and Brothers of United for Peace and Justice,

We are writing in regard to ongoing efforts to build unity in the U.S. anti-war and social justice movement. Recognizing that the movement should be as broad and inclusive as possible, we have sought to build a united front as we have organized mass demonstrations and anti-war campaigns across the country. As many of you know, since UFPJ's inception, we have invited UFPJ to co-sponsor and share fully in the speakers and program for major national anti-war marches on Washington that we have organized, and have had conference calls between the leadership of UFPJ and A.N.S.W.E.R. to this end.

As an outcome of the A.N.S.W.E.R. national conference on May 17-18, we adopted an action plan that included an International March on Washington on October 25 focused on the Bush Administration's illegal occupation of Iraq. The demonstration is designed to show massive support inside the United States for the demand: End the Occupation, Bring the Troops Home Now. The demonstration will also focus on the devastating consequences of the Bush Administration's assault on social, economic and political rights at home. As the October 25-26 weekend is the anniversary of the signing of the Patriot Act, the demonstration will call for an end to repressive laws enacted under the cloak of "national security" both in the U.S. and around the world.

We anticipate that tens of thousands of people will participate, including delegations from countries around the world, marching under the banner "The World Unites Against U.S. Militarism."

We would like to take this opportunity to extend an invitation to United for Peace and Justice to form a united front with the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition in order to build the broadest possible mobilization. We would propose that there be an equal sharing of responsibility for logistics and mobilization and for the creation of the program on the day of the demonstration.

In solidarity,


Brian Becker
Mara Verheyden-Hilliard
on behalf of the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition Steering Committee

------------------------------

To: UFPJ Steering Committee

From: ANSWER Coalition



Dear UFPJ Steering Committee Members,



On July 10th, in advance of your national steering committee meeting held in Washington DC, we extended an invitation to the UFPJ to form a full-fledged united front with ANSWER for the purposes of the October 25 March on Washington that will focus on: End the Occupation of Iraq, Bring the Troops Home Now, and Money for Jobs & Schools, Not War.



As we made it clear in our July 10th letter, we have made similar invitations to the UFPJ for all the major national anti-war marches in 2003, whether they were ANSWER-initiated or UFPJ-initiated



As of today, Sunday July 20th, UFPJ has not as yet responded to our proposal. Did your steering committee accept or reject our invitation?



In solidarity,



Brian Becker & Mara Verheyden-Hillard

On behalf of the ANSWER Steering Committee
--------------------

Betreff: A Call for Unity of the U.S. Anti-War Movement
Datum: Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2003

Dear Friends:

The statement below was adopted at last night's meeting of
the Northeast Ohio Anti-War Coalition (NOAC). We would greatly
appreciate any help you can give in disseminating it as widely as
possible to anti-war groups.

In solidarity,

Jerry Gordon
Member, NOAC Coordinating Committee

*************************

A Call for Unity of the U.S. Anti-War Movement


To: Act Now to Stop War & End Racism (ANSWER)
United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ)
United States Labor Against the War (USLAW)

The Northeast Ohio Anti-War Coalition (NOAC) was established in
October, 2002 to unify antiwar forces in Northeast Ohio in an open,
democratic coalition with the objective of helping prevent the
threatened U.S. war against Iraq. In the aftermath of the
conventional phase of that war, we decided to retain our coalition
and to continue building demonstrations around such demands as "Bring
the Troops Home Now! End the Occupation of Iraq!"

We have for the entire period of our existence set as an objective
the unifying of the anti-war movement, not only locally but also
nationally. Accordingly, NOAC sent a delegate to the June, 2003
conference of UFPJ to promote a proposal we submitted calling for the
cosponsorship by ANSWER, UFPJ and USLAW of the September 27
demonstrations called by ANSWER. In response to the written question
put by UFPJ organizers of the conference "Which constituencies would
this campaign help us bring into the movement or develop strategic
alliances with?" we answered:

"Many, the most important of which as proposed are labor with USLAW
in the umbrella and people of color with the involvement of ANSWER.
The labor movement is critical for developing the most powerful
anti-war movement possible. Labor organizations which have passed
anti-war resolutions are far more likely to endorse and participate
in a national action if it is a united action. . . . The same holds
true for international anti-war forces. They will much more readily
respond to a call for an action sponsored by a united anti-war
movement than only by a section of that movement. All of this must
happen to maximize the ability of the anti-war movement to mobilize
the greatest number of diverse people and constituencies to present a
united front against U.S. plans for continued occupation, warplanning
and diversion of resources to meet basic needs."

Although we were told that the spirit of the NOAC resolution was
warmly received at the UFPJ conference, the proposal was rejected
because the proposed date for the action -- September 27 -- is a
Jewish holiday, Rosh Hashanah.

UFPJ did agree to form a liaison committee to work with ANSWER and
other anti-war groups in the interest of promoting unity in the
movement. Since the June conference, however, it is our understanding
that representatives of UFPJ and ANSWER have yet to meet. Moreover,
ANSWER has now called national demonstrations for October 25 which
conflicts with the October 24-25 conference USLAW previously called
to be held in Chicago.

What is urgently needed and still lacking at the present time are
plans for united mass demonstrations in the Fall cosponsored by the
three groups. This in a period when the U.S. continues its brutal
colonial occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, with rising anger and
opposition demonstrated by the peoples of both countries, a growing
number of resisters to those occupations being murdered by U.S.
forces, and the peoples of the occupied countries lacking adequate
water, food, electricity and other basic necessities of life. At the
same time, U.S. soldiers stationed in the occupied countries are
themselves victims of the occupations, as more and more lose their
lives while demoralization deepens.

Under such circumstances, leaders of the two major anti-war
coalitions have a responsibility to put aside whatever differences
stand in the way of unity and join together in the streets to
organize as large an action as possible this fall to challenge the
government's escalating drive for empire and world domination. And we
believe they should do so together with USLAW.

Unifying the anti-war movement in this country has long been a
difficult and challenging proposition. We can recall successes and
failures in this regard. One success was the coming together of the
entire movement, divided though it was, to sponsor and build the
April 24, 1971 demonstration against the Vietnam war, which turned
out to be one of the largest demonstrations in U.S. history. When
unity of the two major coalitions was not quickly attained to support
that action, activists spoke out without mincing words. For example,
in a letter to both coalitions dated January 26, 1971, the Lower East
Side Mobilization for Action (N.Y.) wrote, "Can any of you seriously
argue that these are overriding in the face of the
urgency of united action? What madness has brought this upon our
movement? ’Ķ We therefore plead -- we urge -- we demand -- we shout
to you: Halt this headlong drift towards division, towards
splintering, towards tragedy. Join together -- it is not too late --
to deal President Nixon and his war policy a mighty blow, and
accelerate the drive towards peace in Vietnam." Expressions such as
this were a key factor in forging the resulting unity.

On the other hand, we vividly recall what happened at the very
beginning of Persian Gulf War I, when the situation cried out for
unity of the anti-war movement but resulted in separate
demonstrations a week apart in Washington D.C. The scars of that
divisiveness have yet to heal.

With respect to the immediate situation, we have two suggestions. The
first is that ANSWER establish its own liaison committee and that
representatives of both coalitions meet as quickly as possible. The
second is that in the future, before setting dates for major
national demonstrations which are designed to mobilize the largest
possible number of people, each coalition explore with the other and
with USLAW the possibility of making the proposed actions jointly
sponsored.

We have no illusions that organizational steps alone will result in
united actions involving the various components of the U.S. antiwar
movement. For that to happen will require leadership on all sides
keenly aware of the responsibilities that go with that leadership and
willing to commit themselves to the overriding need to forge unity
-- subordinating turf concerns in the interest of achieving that
objective. We earnestly hope that such leadership will be forthcoming
in the weeks, months and years ahead.

For our part, we intend to disseminate this statement as widely as
possible throughout the movement in hopes that other anti-war groups
will also speak out to both major coalitions and remind them of the
responsibility we all share to curb U.S. military expansionism and
support the right of self-determination of occupied and oppressed
peoples around the globe, a responsibility that can most effectively
be discharged through unity in action.

Submitted by the Northeast Ohio Anti-War Coalition (NOAC)
c/o American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)
513 W. Exchange St.

http://web.utanet.at/labournet.austria/engl24.htm
------
End the Occupation
of Iraq!
Bring the
Troops Home Now!
October 25
Mass March on the White House & Pentagon
www.internationalanswer.org


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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 07:53 PM
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59. is it going anywhere?
I've seen that before, but haven't heard back on any of my mailing lists.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 08:05 PM
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63. I haven't either, and I've been trying to find out what I can
I think the call for unity speaks volumes. Should we all be contacting these people with our own requests for unity?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 07:57 PM
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60. Well, Matcom, I'm as upset as you, and so far I've emailed
MoveOn.org and True Majority AND the Dem-CA groups asking about this. NOBODY RESPONDS!

And what we NEED-NEED-NEED is to have LOTS of people out in the streets. We need the coverage that MANY people out there would draw. The media wouldn't be able to avoid it, and they're a wee bit more amenable to looking at these things now. They finally allowed themselves to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to report on the worldwide protests in February because the protests were so big and so powerful and so widespread that they couldn't be ignored or downplayed anymore.

WE NEED TO DO THAT AGAIN! I'm at a loss as to how to start. I've already been trying. But me all by myself out there on some street corner with a protest sign won't get us anywhere.

But, believe me, I'm with ya. You're absolutely correct. That IS what we need. Now, more than ever. Besides, it would help keep SEVERAL stories alive now. We need it like we need air to breathe.
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