So, what are the neocons attempting to achieve? What is the end game?

[CoffeeCat]

With everything happening since the 2000 election--what do you think the ultimate goal of the neocons/PNACers/Republicans/Bush Administration?

We see the middle class eroding to dust. In my opinion, they've set a trap for us. For years, they relaxed banking regulations--and credit card companies handed out credit like water. Now, after many are in enormous debt they dissolve the bankruptcy laws and FORCE the credit card companies to double payment amounts. Furthermore, this administration relaxed lender regs--and many people purchased homes with interest-only loans and ARMS--which will begin to squeeze many who have no recourse with bankruptcy. Someone making $60,000 should not be able to purchase a $300,000 home--but that's what has happened.

Furthermore, gas prices are raised at the will of the greedy corporatists. Home heating prices are supposed to more-than-double. Congress seems unwilling to help out the poor and elderly who cannot afford to pay $300 heating bills with a $800 monthly Social Security check.

This administration does not care when a natural disaster happens to this country's citizens. In our local paper, there was a recent story about a tornado victim, who has been waiting more than a year for promised FEMA funds. A Katrina family passed through out town and a friend of mine took them in. It took their CPA THREE SOLID DAYS to muddle through the paperwork required to obtain their measly $3,000. BushCo seems to be making it almost impossible for people to fill out the paperwork and get help.

The deficit is catastrophic. The dollar is in jeopardy. Our trade deficit is a joke. They want to dismantle Social Security, slash Medicaid and cut funding for the poor, needy and disadvantaged children. They talk big about "No Child Left Behind" but then underfund it. Our property taxes went up because of this. Street lights went off in our city of 250,000 because local government are forced to make up for Federal cuts that affect local services.

Busch Co doesn't care that the world hates us. It feels eerily--as if he wants to be despised. This government sanctions torture and set up an off-shore, sequestered prison that feel as if we've got the embryonic stages of a concentration-camp situation. WE put people in cages. They ignore Geneva Conventions. It feels as if they're trying hard to make enemies.

What does all of this mean?

What do they hope to gain from all of this?

What is the end game and how can they possibly sustain their end-game goal?

[lvx35]

1. I don't think they HAVE an end game.

I don't believe it when people ascribe some high idealogical principles to these guys. I think they are just crooks, trying to stuff their own pockets. The only alternative I can think of it that they are secretly communists trying to bring about the end of capitalism once and for all by showing its evils!!! :)

[bonito]

4. Like we lost the cold war. n/t

[deutsey]

2. Short answer for me: they want to erase the 20th century

All the progressive gains made over the past 100 years: gone.

Bring us back to the "good ol' days" when the rich ruled and the rest of us served.

[NNN0LHI]

3. It has changed. Now they just hope not to be indicted for War Crimes n/t

[occuserpens]

5. All they want is to stay in power

Everything else is irrelevant for the GOP

[sweetheart]

6. crucifixion

They'll crucify the criminals on a hill, guarded by romans, and jeered
by philistines. And the crowd will smell the blood of crime and shout
a roar for their hasty deaths, pummeling them with rocks and sticks,
spitting on them, and cursing them.

And then mel gibson will make the movie and win an academy award, and
the goat will have been sacrificed to end the pax americana of the 20th.
The world is back to the paradigm of competing empires like pre-WW1.
This will only end with a "nudge" on the fringe, where armies are
forward deployed, thieving.

[nofurylike]

7. the end game is the end times. premeditated man-made apocalypse. nt

[teryang]

8. total power

the wholesale reorganization of the executive branch and the destruction of traditional institutions (including the Constitution) is the prelude to totalitarianism.

[madaboutharry]

9. You laid it all out so well.

For the life of me, I really do believe that they are traitors to this democracy and to the American people. We are going to lose this nation if they are not removed from office. The first step in winning back all that we have lost is to remove the corruption from our voting system.

[McCamy Taylor]

10. World domination or maybe bigger penis substitues.

[TahitiNut]

11. Lord of the Flies

:shrug:

[Wapsie B]

12. Just envision if you will

a herd of feeder pigs at the trough. They're all fighting to get their snouts in the public trough. The supposed superior morality and outward displays of piety and the spin machine of the right going nonstop is all one big smokescreen set up to hide the pigs at feeding time.

[Finder]

13. Can't lump them all together...

as far as agendas and/or endgames. The biggest problem is trying to decipher the whole mess through a prism of party politics. It goes far beyond that.

Strauss/Bloom needs to be dusted off and read/studied to gain an understanding of the neocon agenda. It is not sinister and is surprisingly socialist in nature however so were the NAZIs--in the beginning.

Because they are sleeping with fundies and corporatists who have agendas in conflict with the neocons, it will never get to "endgame" for any one group but will leave a mess.IMO

[Lexingtonian]

14. There's what they want

and then there's the dirty work The People is using them to do.

What they want...they've imagined they can rig the country to be a colonial type one again, more or less, with all wealth and power flowing into the hands of a few dozen plutocrats. And what plutocrats historically do with it all in practice is go joyriding in the world a la Iraq toppling other Big Men and in all ways fighting each other for rank. It's life back to the rules and purposes of that in the sandbox again. They live life, and everyone else serves to enable them. (It's what de Toqueville said of the French aristocracy and its economic system: thousands toil, suffer, and die miserably so that a few individual men can do things they esteem great.) In their world the guiding scheme and attitude is very literally: It Sucks To Be You. Their problem is that the way to destroy a plutocracy is: let them rule for longer than they can sustain what competences and acuity and sanity they have.

What The People is using them to do...well, the big inefficient industries of the Cold War have to be closed down and in general the American labor force has to become substantially more educated, productive, well-led, and individually selfresponsible to be competitive in the global marketplace. The residual Stalinist client states of the Soviet Union and the corrupt feudal/colonial dictatorial client states of the Cold War United States have to be regime-changed comprehensively for the Cold War to be finished. The dependence on foreign petroleum, and petroleum altogether, has to be dealt with; the whole predatory colonial corporation basis of the American economy is a linked issue. A whole internally interlinked set of American social issues has to be dealt with, i.e. the relatively privileged place of white people and of Christianity and Agrarian Age mores.

Republicans represent the chance given to the Old Order to prove themselves against these problems or fail. The smart ones know they can't actually win, they're ultimately just golden parachuting out the people they like and screwing over those they don't while the average person ferments and votes in fear and rage and idealisms fired by a sense of the world changing. But the fringe benefits that can be grabbed in the course of these things can add up to hefty amounts of cash and fun that there for the having and the taking. It's when even the smartest ones corrupt and convince themselves that they can and want to win, that the Old Order can and ought to be fully restored, that's when things get really vile and bitter.

[applegrove]

15. They want as many Americans as possible to be owning stocks so

they will be for perpetual - pre-emptive war in foreign lands and not care that people in their community are struggling. They tried hard to teach lack of empathy for anyone outside your narrow group (tribalism) so that democracy would be weakended and the agenda would always, day in and day out, suit the corporations and the very wealthy. The end game was/is to destroy the big Dem tent in as many ways as possible. And give the selfish & un-sacrificing rich Corporations & uberrich... monopoly power and control over all regulation at home and abroad.