Who Do You Believe--Kerry or Mark Crispin Miller

[davidlynch]

Mark reportedly told Kerry that the election was stolen and Kerry said "I Know"; then, Kerry's press secretary denounced this saying that Kerry didn't believe that the election was stolen. Mark stands frimly behind his original statement. Who is telling the truth here?

[RC]

1. It would help if we knew what you were talking about.

Details, sources, links, something.

[davidlynch]

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[Protagoras]

2. How about Neither

I think Kerry know's it was stolen but he didn't tell MCM nearly as clearly as MCM reported. And he told MCM off the record...and now MCM is misrepresenting the depth of the discussion and Kerry is denying that anything like it took place.

I say stop making threads and polls about em both and go back to discussing Rove indictments by Fitzy :D

[davidlynch]

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[sandnsea]

8. Oh hell, somebody making sense

It must be a DU miracle.

I think that's exactly what happened and agree that it would be terrible to lose focus on the indictments, the intelligence reports, etc.

And if people wanted to use this dust-up, they could use it to start discussing the particulars in the GAO Report instead of just saying it proves the election was stolen.

[MH1]

10. Thank you!

Wait...isn't saying something that sensible against the rules at DU?

[Blue_In_AK]

13. Yes, of course...

That's pretty much what I said in one of these interminable posts this morning. I'm really tired of the whole thing.

[blm]

3. How about: Do you think Mark overplayed it and Backus underplayed it?

Or is that too realistic?

[davidlynch]

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[rzemanfl]

7. What I have read said Kerry "confided" to Miller. If Miller was

told this in confidence and Miller betrayed that confidence, Kerry has every right to repudiate the statement. He can't very well say that Miller betrayed his confidence without verifying the original statement. I am sure John Kerry knows the difference between belief and proof. I believe the election was stolen but I can't prove it and I wouldn't be surprised if JFK is in the same position.

[davidlynch]

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[blm]

12. Here's how Robert Parry handled it:

I wonder if anyone will poll and ask:

Which reporter handled the information more responsibly, Miller or Parry?


Kerry Suspects Election 2004 Was Stolen


By Robert Parry
November 6, 2005

Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate in 2004, has told acquaintances over the past year that he suspects that the election was stolen, but that he didn’t challenge the official results because he lacked hard proof and anticipated a firestorm of criticism if he pressed the point.

“Kerry heard all the disquieting stories” about voting irregularities in Ohio and other states, said Jonathan Winer, a longtime Kerry adviser and a former deputy assistant secretary of state. “But he didn’t have the evidence to do more.”

The Massachusetts senator conceded to George W. Bush on Nov. 3, 2004, the day after the election when it became clear that the uncounted votes in the swing state of Ohio were insufficient to erase Bush’s narrow lead.

The move infuriated some Democratic activists who felt Kerry should have lived up to his campaign promise that he would make sure every vote was counted. In January 2005, as Bush’s victory was being certified by Congress, Kerry also refused to back a resolution challenging the fairness of the Ohio vote.

More: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/110505.html

[William769]

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[feelthebreeze]

14. Kerry doesn't need proof...

If there is one thing we have learned from the RW echo chamber is that just saying it puts it into the collective mind. It needs to be put forth because it will then be dealt with. Any "proof" jeopardizes the 2006 purity of pristine voting. We don't have time for Kerry's political safety. When will these elected officials realize it is not about them or their own personal goals. This is about trying to save our Democracy.

[dchill]

16. This is an EXCELLENT point.

What proof do the wingers have that...

Plame was not a covert agent?

Saddam had WMD's?

Bush didn't know about any of it?

There was no fraud in FL or OH in 2004...?



Edit to add: Welcome to DU, feelthebreeze!

[feelthebreeze]

17. Thanks, always nice to be welcomed home...

[blm]

18. Because Kerry is still in 3 court cases in Ohio that could get damaged

by an intemperate language he delivers now about the fraud.

You think the GOP judges handling it wouldn't jump to dismiss the cases on any ground?

[Darranar]

15. Miller is telling the truth, Kerry does not want to "rock the boat."

Hence his capitulation after the election.

[Island Blue]

19. Gee, I don't know.

Do I believe a guy who has stood up for the people of his state and the nation for more than 20 years (more than 30 if you count his anti-war protest days) or a dude trying to sell a book? Hmmmmm. That's a though question. Could go either way. :sarcasm:

[claudiasp]

20. Poll question: Who Do You Believe--Kerry or Mark Crispin Miller

I am not sure if it's either one

[newyawker99]

22. Hi claudiasp!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Goldeneye]

21. Shouldn't the question be:

"Who do you think is telling the truth?" Obviously no one here knows exactly what happened or we wouldn't need a poll.