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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:30 PM
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Violent Revolution...
Listen, I am all about peaceful protests. I am all about peaceful revolution.

But when talking about Globalization, Free Trade, Western Dominance over lesser developed nations at events like this summit, like the FTAA, and like WTO and IMF...

Violent Revolution is called for and will go down in the history books.

Imagine millions of folks in the streets with candles. CNN, MSNBC, AP, etc might get a few stories...

But things like you are watching now on CNN will go down in the history books. Future generations will examine... "why did this take place" "what were they upset about."

Think about it...

Birmingham, Selma, Seattle, Miami, even the LA riots. Mainstream America knows what happened there.

I am all about peaceful protest and revolution 98% of the time. The remaining 2% is left for things like the Summit of Americas.

Violent protest is needed. The world media must turn a head now and say…”lets examine why?”



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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:32 PM
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1. Not that I necessarily disagree but just want to remind ya to say
Hi Agent Mike :hi: once in awhile. ;)
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:33 PM
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2. Violent resistance to Tyranny is not TREASON it is Patriotic.
And required of all true patriots.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:35 PM
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3. So, lemme get this straight...
You're FOR violent revolution when it comes to the FTAA or NAFTA, but you're AGAINST violent revolution when our soldiers are sent out to die for no reason, or when one political party usurps power and destroys our democracy?

For the record, I was in Miami in Nov. 2003 during the FTAA protest. The protestors didn't get violent. The cops did.
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:38 PM
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6. i agree...
about miami... sorry.. got carried away.

your right about the cops there. my bad.


and your right about our soldiers... but i believe that there is a peaceful way to end the war. It through congress, elections, impeachment, and criminal prosecution.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:35 PM
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4. I concur. n/t
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:37 PM
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5. We Could Have Had a Peaceful Revolt Against the British
not that it would have worked. I can't understand understand Americans who don't admit the possibility of violent revolution.

Our nation was founded on the principle that "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce (a people) under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government..."
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:42 PM
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8. YES!!!!
Good Words still!!!
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:42 PM
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10. I am a pacifist showing solidarity toward violence revolution....
so its a wierd place for me to be in.

i am not one to day violent revolution is not needed. I think I made it clear above. But as a pacifist who is schooled by Gandhi and MLK, I am very much for a peaceful revolution wherever possible. As Tom Hayden is a personal advisor... I see when violence is needed. Like the ones down in Argentina now.

With this post, it is a peaceful activist showing solidarity with a violence uprising around trade.

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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:39 PM
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7. It will be funny as hell if the protesters crash tonight's dinner party an
scare the snot out of him. They better have a roll of toilet paper near him. Let's see what kind of swagger he uses to get on his plane to get out of Dodge tomorrow. I bet he won't be walking with that "gonna draw my sharpshooters" gait he has developed.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:42 PM
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9. I disagree . ,. .
Violent protest generally means that the rioters get into a very dangerous group psychology that then leads to looting and innocent people getting hurt or killed, often brutally. We would become what we hate.

Far more effective would be non-violent protests in the Gandhian tradition of making normal operations impossible. I'm thinking of massive sit-downs, closing buildings, closing down highways, etc. The police will get violent with this, but that is on their onus.

I don't want to become the very thing I hate.
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:49 PM
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12. you see...
i am somewhere in the middle of this statement, and the prior posts. I resognate with a lot that this posts says. At the same time... we are getting world attention on these issues with the violence. which is a good thing for the history books.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:50 PM
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13. They're spending time talking about the violence itself...
Little time is being spent on why there is violence.

Violent protest is NEVER the answer.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:44 PM
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11. Violent protest is always a good time
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 04:44 PM by Loonman
Until you get your head kicked in by the cops, that is. Or shot with a rubber bullet.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:16 PM
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14. Nonviolent protest can get you the same thing...
the FTAA protest in Miami is a perfect example. All depends on the mentality of the cops in that particular time and place.
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