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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:54 AM
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New Newsweek Poll: All our candidates gain vs. Bush
The newest Newsweek poll indicates that the margins which Bush is leading our candidates has narrowed since the last poll.

On the question: In general, would you like George W. Bush re-elected as president or not

44% say YES (down from 46%)
50% say NO (up from 47%)

Against the leading candiates:

Bush leads Clark 47-43 (an improvement from 49-43)
Bush leads Dean 49-40 ( an improvement from 52-38)
Bush leads Kerry 48-42 (an improvement from 50-42)
Bush leads Gephardt 49-42 (an improvement from 53-39)
Bush leads Lieberman 50-42 (an improvement from 51-42)

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 10:58 AM
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1. I still cannot believe that Bush is still leading all of our candidates
This after the CIA leak, lies about Iraq, etc. What's it going to take to beat him?

I just don't think the average American knows about the CIA leak, etc. or maybe they just don't care....

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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:06 AM
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3. actually these are pretty good numbers this early in the game
for each of them. An incumbent president is being kept under 50% (except for Lieberman, but it is close with him anyhow). This even though 2/3 of the country doesn't know squat about most of our candidates.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:44 AM
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8. I agree
People are not fouced on Dem ALternatives and will not be until January. WHat is interesting to me is that Bush seems to losing ground to the full spectrum of Dem Candidates 2-3 percent. This suggest that its not excitement about any particular candidate but that Bush is losing core support.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:34 AM
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6. Most of the people I've talked to
aren't really thinking about the election yet. It's too far in the future for them to worry about.

Also, for the average person it takes quite a while for the impact of things like the leak scandal to soak in.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:04 AM
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2. just wait until people start paying attention
a month ago, a majority of people couldn't name a single candidate, and I doubt it's changed much since then.

At some pont, people are going to get to know our candidates and start hearing their great message.
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michaud Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:07 AM
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4. here is how it works
lets see.....50% say no....an absolute majority say no to bush.


now lets do this average bush and average the dems and you get bush= 48.6 and dem = 41.8 with moe of 4 points

it could be 44.6 bush to dems 45.8 one full point ahead

there is no way the margin of error could favor bush with the first yes/no question because 50% say no outright.
.

personally i think the polls are wrong because they are not reflecting the national mood.

in just about every poll when people are asked if they approve of his handling of the economy it is in the low 40's.

next year is gonna hing on two questions. the economy and iraq and i think americans are starting to get it....its just the polls reflect really what people were thinking about a month ago.

the election is ripe for a democratic presidential landslide.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:31 AM
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5. Hi michaud!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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michaud Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:39 PM
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11. thanx
thanx for welcoming me :)
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:39 AM
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7. Greatest Momentum
So who's making the gratest gains against Bush?

Clark improved margin by 2 points.
Dean improved margin by 5 points.
Kerry improved margin by 2 points.
Gephardt improved margnin by 7 points.
Lieberman improved margin by 1 point.

FWIW.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 12:04 PM
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9. Want to see Bush* lose in a landslide against any Dem candidate?
Put Will Pitt's "The Sins of September 11th" on the front page of every newspaper in the Country. Of course if that happened, the American people would be screaming for Impeachment instead of going to the polls to vote for Bush*. IMHO
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:31 PM
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10. or this article
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0309.montopoli.html

In January 2002, Dick Cheney placed a series of phone calls to then-Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. The Senate was preparing to begin limited, closed-door hearings on the intelligence failures that led to the September 11 attacks, and Cheney wanted to warn Daschle that the White House would not take kindly to suggestions from Democrats for a more public inquiry. Over the phone, the vice president implied that calls for wider hearings by Democrats would be met by accusations that they were hampering the war on terror. President Bush repeated the same message soon after, in a closed door meeting with Daschle. In the months following, Democrats, well aware of the credibility gap between the two parties on national security, largely kept their mouths shut.

In May, however, Democrats got some political cover: The families of those killed in the attacks began a push for an independent commission with a much wider scope than the Senate inquiry. "We thought the investigation into our husbands' deaths would be a no-brainer," says Kristen Breitweiser, one of a group of New Jersey widows who banded together to lobby for the commission. "If my husband had been killed in a car accident, there would have been an investigation immediately. This was 3,000 people. We just assumed it would happen." To press the issue, the families went public with their horror stories. In tearful interviews with politicians and members of the press, they produced pictures of their children and recounted stories of final conversations with their spouses. Breitweiser showed lawmakers her husband's wedding band, which had been recovered at Ground Zero, still attached to a piece of his finger. Mindy Kleinberg, another New Jersey widow, told of her conversations with her 11-year-old son in the days after the attack, when the boy insisted that he was willing to take his father back blind, or take him back burnt, so long as he returned.



Meanwhile, the Bush administration continued to argue against the commission. "I think it's the wrong way to go," Cheney told Fox News on May 19. He claimed that national security concerns trumped the families' appeals. Behind closed doors, however, many lawmakers in both parties were outraged by the administration's position. The benefits of a wide-ranging investigation, they said, which would both detail the failures that led to the attacks and make suggestions as to how to address those failures, would surely outweigh the short-term security concerns trumpeted by the administration. Many believed that the real motivation behind the White House's position was its desire to avoid potentially embarrassing revelations about what it might have done to prevent the tragedy. It was an understandable strategy. In August 2002, details emerged in the press that the Bush administration had ignored a Clinton-era plan to attack al Qaeda in Afghanistan before the terrorist attacks. Despite the emphatic protestations of then-counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, the administration had put fighting terrorism low on its list of priorities--thanks in part to hostility towards Clarke, a holdover from the Clinton administration. It was later reported that despite the fact that Osama bin Laden had been spotted by Predator drones as many as three times in late 2000, the administration took no action against him. Weeks before the September 11 attacks, Bush was warned that bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes, but the administration continued to promote a missile shield, its top military priority, to counteract, as the president put it, "terrorist threats that face us."

For a president who has staked his popularity on his stance against terrorism, a full airing of these revelations had the potential to be politically devastating. Given the choice between a closed-door joint congressional inquiry over which it could wield influence and an independent commission that would be much harder to control, the White House chose to support the former. In July of this year, when the joint inquiry report was finally released, the cleverness of that strategy became clear. The congressional report had all the hallmarks of a whitewash. Because the investigation had been limited to intelligence failures, most of the blame fell on intelligence agencies, not the White House. Bob Graham and Richard Shelby, who had headed up the inquiry, were aggressive in their investigation, but they were largely kept at bay: When the inquiry petitioned the Bush administration for access to National Security Council documents, for example, they were denied and told that the documents were outside the scope of their investigation. Even then, the administration delayed the release of the report for months, and redacted large portions of it, including a section on terrorist ties to Saudi Arabia's government. The final product represented the results of engineering by the Bush administration to produce a report that minimized political damage.

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