Zogby POLL confirms * at historic lows among blacks

[tgnyc]

NBC's 2% approval figure among blacks of a couple of weeks ago stands alongside today's Zogby figure of 6%.

Blacks continue to speak loud and clear: Worst. President. Ever.

[underpants]

1. "Who cares what they think they are only 12% of the population"

so said Rush...gee I wonder if that is the sort of thing that might turn them off from which ever side Rush might be on.

[PurityOfEssence]

31. Ah, the math-challenged; cute, aren't they? Always so vehement, too...

If virtually all of a group that comprises an eighth of the population hates the man, then almost an eighth of the electorate is against him in this one group alone. That right there is about a fourth of what it'll take to run the nazis out of town.

It's a net gain of over 11%; that MATTERS.

Charming little creatures, aren't they?

[mtnester]

33. He said that?

You know, I see and hear a lot of things that piss me off coming from the mouths of idiots, however, why does this strike a really raw nerve with me?

It is crap like this that make me think of how much fun violence would be...really.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. These polls also indicate

that, as a group, Blacks are more politically intelligent than other groups in this nation......

[LonelyLRLiberal]

6. It's smart not to vote against your own interests.

And there are serious interests in this population group - starting with racial discrimination inherent in this administration's policies and proposals.

[rkc3]

14. What does that say about the 50% of white people who voted

against their own interests?

Not much.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

17. They are uninformed fools. nm

[yellowcanine]

3. This is pathetic. David Duke probably did better than that among blacks.

[MissB]

8. .

:spray:

Probably true, though.

[Metta]

4. You can't fool all the people all the time just because you're a tyrant..

Doesn't work that way.

[QuettaKid]

5. DJ Green Lantern is not a fan....

DJ Green Lantern has just produced a new song called "Bin Laden", featuring revolutionary hip-hop artist Immortal Technique, Mos Def, and Eminem. They certainly don't pull any punches, in the chorus:

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you nigga, tell the truth nigga
Bush knocked down the towers
Bush knocked down the towers

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/11/118473.php

[Metta]

9. Wow. This is heavy stuff.

Kicking it for real.

[tgnyc]

20. HARD-hitting lyrics:

This shit is run by fake Christians
Fake politicians
Look at their mansions
And look at the conditions you live in

All they tell you is terrorism
On television
They tell you listen
But they don’t really tell you their mission

They funded al Qaeda
And now they blame the Muslim religion
Even though bin Laden
Was a CIA tactician

They gave him billions of dollars
And funded his purpose
“Fahrenheit 9/11” –
That’s just scratching the surface

AND

They say the rebels in Iraq
Still fight for Saddam
But that’s bullshit
I’ll show why it’s totally wrong

‘Cause if another country
Invaded the ‘hood tonight
It would be warfare
In Harlem, in Washington Heights

I wouldn’t be fightin’ for Bush
Or White America’s Dream
I’d be fightin’ for my people’s
Survival and self esteem

I wouldn’t fight for racist churches from the South
My nigga
I’d be fightin’ to keep the occupation out
My nigga

You ever clock someone who talked shit
And looked at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you
And was raping your moms

And of course Saddam Hussein
Had chemical weapons
We sold him that shit
After Ronald Reagan’s election

[quiet.american]

7. Interesting how since Bush has been in, we've gone from....

"African-Americans" back to "Blacks" in the MSM vernacular. Not sure how I feel about that, but in any case, looks like Ken Mehlman's gets a well-deserved "F" in his efforts to flim-flam African-Americans.

[whatever4]

25. I actually have a question about that

Mind if I ask an off-topic question?

I'm asking for opinions, so please don't take this the wrong way. Or, do take it the wrong way, because I'm all too happy to discuss my views! It's a rambling mess anyway, but I appreciate input.

It's about the term African-American. Now, I grew up during a time when "Black is Beautiful" began. I still like that; black is still beautiful to me. The term African-American, not that I have a right or a reason to criticize, but I don't like it as well because the way it puts the African in front of the American gives me the feeling that it means something not quite as American. That's the feeling I get, as if, there are Americans, and then there are African-Americans. I understand it's just following a standard rule of speech, but, I just don't think there is anything more American than American black culture, and I don't like the way African heritage seems to mean the culture and the people are a subset of America. But it's not and they're not some small "subset" of our culture. NO way. Not to discount heritage or horrible history, because I really don't mean that. But I want a word that conveys serious respect for the culture of Black Americans, and not one that seems to want to, I don't know, but to me, it seems to want to forget all the history in between and just say "African American", as if they just came here, as if the culture and the people are immigrants.

My understanding of history is that the majority of the history of African Americans was that of unwilling immigration. So, I don't even LIKE that term being used, as if all that mattered was that "they" came from Africa. It was a lot more than that. It was the ability to live through the experience, and to go from that to what we have today. It was so much more than just getting here from Africa. And no matter how many people feel comfortable in their ignorance, we all know, as another poster said, this country was built by the sweat and blood of black men. So, how is that "African" American?? It's just American, it about people who made America. I just don't like words that seem to want to forget all that. It's just how it feels to me.

Like, very simplistically, sometimes I want to say "NO, you aren't an African American. You are an AMERICAN! IN total. You are everything and everybody that America ever stood for. Your ancestors, no matter who they were, would have been unique if they had NOT had to overcome life-ruining strife just for your existence today. And I can promise you, as a mother, that the only thing they ever cared about was for you to have a better chance, for you to do better, for you to live. It was THIS country they wanted to give you, it is YOURS. Every entitlement, every piece of history and geography was handed down to YOU by these strong people, and you aren't any less American than ANYBODY. It's all yours, and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

I know it's not my place. Please forgive me if any of this sounds insulting. I just wanted to say, I still like the term Black better than the term African American. I honestly can't tell if the term Black is insulting or not now. If it is, I want to know. If I have to sound like an idiot and take insults for asking, then it's fine. My ignorance is my own fault, but the most stupid question is the one never asked.

[quiet.american]

27. Hi :)

'Preciate your very careful approach! :)

But seriously, I appreciate your points, and my feelings are, in a perfect world, yes we'd all be just Americans, but that's not the reality, is it? I live in New York, love the cultural diversity, and I'm not even really for all the endless different ethnic-day parades we have every spring because ultimately it almost seems to divide and exclude rather than share and include.

I also didn't really even like the phrase "African-American" when it first started being used, although I suppose it applies to me 100% since my father is African and I was born here... but that's another story.

What the media and the current Republican noise machine has done with the word "Black" though, like everything else they touch, is to give it almost as bad a connotation as what they've done to the word "liberal." Now, most of us are proud liberals, but these days you have to walk around ready with your explanation of what being liberal means, thanks to "that fat-assed drug addict" Limbaugh.

Most of the time, too, you don't even see the word, "Black" with a capital "B" -- it "the blacks" "blacks" etc. It comes across to me as lumping an incredibly diverse group of people together as though we all think and move as one huge block -- "Bush not popular with blacks; blacks approve policy change; blacks celebrate passing of bill..." -- it's pretty rare that I see a reference to "Bush not popular with whites;" "whites celebrate passing of bill;" "whites approve policy change;" etc. -- the "whites" in question are usually referred to very specifically as who they are and why they're referenced, whereas, as soon as Bush came into office, all of a sudden it's "blacks" again.

And, even progressive media grabbed onto that tail and ran with it; you can almost never find a reference to an African-American anymore, it just "blacks."

Something about it rubs me the wrong way.

[whatever4]

28. Hi ya :)

'Preciate your very careful approach!

Thank you :) But don't worry, I do it for my own self-respect, it's not about being overly pc for pandering. My ignorance is open for all the world to see! And that's where I'm coming from :)

But seriously, I appreciate your points, and my feelings are, in a perfect world, yes we'd all be just Americans, but that's not the reality, is it? I live in New York, love the cultural diversity, and I'm not even really for all the endless different ethnic-day parades we have every spring because ultimately it almost seems to divide and exclude rather than share and include.

I also didn't really even like the phrase "African-American" when it first started being used, although I suppose it applies to me 100% since my father is African and I was born here... but that's another story.

Yeah, that sounds like what I felt too. Didn't really like it.

What the media and the current Republican noise machine has done with the word "Black" though, like everything else they touch, is to give it almost as bad a connotation as what they've done to the word "liberal." Now, most of us are proud liberals, but these days you have to walk around ready with your explanation of what being liberal means, thanks to "that fat-assed drug addict" Limbaugh.

Most of the time, too, you don't even see the word, "Black" with a capital "B" -- it "the blacks" "blacks" etc. It comes across to me as lumping an incredibly diverse group of people together as though we all think and move as one huge block --

I agree with you on that, that's my sense too. I guess what I'm feeling is a wishful desire to take the word back. Take it back to the meaning as I understood it, which was a definition, "Black is Beautiful", you know?. But it doesn't help to deny the reality of what people mean by the words they say when they say them. Now it seems a lot more to mean a racial divide and worse.


"Bush not popular with blacks; blacks approve policy change; blacks celebrate passing of bill..." -- it's pretty rare that I see a reference to "Bush not popular with whites;" "whites celebrate passing of bill;" "whites approve policy change;" etc. -- the "whites" in question are usually referred to very specifically as who they are and why they're referenced, whereas, as soon as Bush came into office, all of a sudden it's "blacks" again.

I agree, after Clinton, things took a different tone. No, never heard of a white issue he wasn't popular with. What a shamful president, not even a good example of the US, but then again, he's the (insert curse words here) re-elected president, so what does it say? Nothing good. Editing to say, I'm refering to Bush as the shameful president.

And, even progressive media grabbed onto that tail and ran with it; you can almost never find a reference to an African-American anymore, it just "blacks."

Something about it rubs me the wrong way.

If it bothers you personally, that is what I want to know, because, that is all that matters. Thank you so much for your opinion and your very kind attitude toward this somewhat backward midwestern mom :)

[quiet.american]

30. Hi, again :)

Very much enjoyed your responses and thanks for chatting with me on this topic. :hi:

[whatever4]

32. Thanks to you as well

It's been one of the bright spots of the day :)

[goclark]

10. Zogby is wrong , it's 2 %

First of all, I have only heard of one African American that has ever taken the Zogby poll -ME!

I do it over the internet.

[Angry Girl]

11. Sellout rapper 50 Cents on the Bush payroll?

"I think people responded to it the best way they can," 50 told ContactMusic.com. "What Kanye West was saying, I don't know where that came from."

Instead, 50 said, "The New Orleans disaster was meant to happen. It was an act of God."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=1274052

[whatever4]

12. 50 has a habit of being more pretty than he is smart

but he's got a really nice voice.

Jesus Walks, Kanye!

[jmdrake]

18. 50 Cent is a sellout punk!

He's just mad because Kanye's popularity is rising while his own is slumping. From that same article:

=================================================================
"After 50 Cent, (hip-hop fans) was looking for something non-confrontational, and they went after first thing that came along. That was Kanye West, and his record took off."

West's second album, "Late Registration," has remained near the top of the charts since debuting Aug. 30.
=================================================================

Really 50? You think you're the first popular "confrontational" rapper? You've never heard of Snoop Dogg? Losers like "50 Cent" can only "stand up" against women and call them B's and H's. It takes a real man to stand up to the (mis)leader of the free world.

[tamtam]

21. LOL!

50 cent only talks about bling, pimps, and gang banging. I cannot stand that punk and his pop music lyrics. I wouldn't download his crap for free. Kayne's Late registration is on hit he really set if off this time. 50 only wishes he could write something deep. That gangsta mentality is getting old and worn out just like 50.

Sorry to rant but I cannot stand gagnsta punk 50 cent.

Anyway I guess that Katrina mess didn't sit well with black America. Oh well, Bush can always send Condi out to mend things up :eyes:

[newyawker99]

23. Hi jmdrake!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[kiki]

22. Stick your hip POP up your ass, 'Fitty'...

No self-respecting B-Boy would touch your 'Gansgta Lite (TM)' drivel with a shitty stick.

[NNadir]

13. Well this should put an end to the thesis of "The Bell Curve."

This justly forgotten neocon book made a stir some years ago by claiming that African-Americans were less intelligent than whites.

Clearly in this intelligence test, African Americans are scoring about 30 points higher than the rest of us.

[Nikki Stone 1]

26. GREAT POINT! (Wish I could nominate your post by itself)

:kick:

[JaneQPublic]

15. Margin of Error: 3.4 percentage points

So, Bush could actually be at only 2.6 percent.

[tgnyc]

24. Actually, margin of error for African Americans in the sample

would be larger -- more like 8%.

[ecstatic]

16. Problem is, a lot of racist Repubs will be encouraged by this

If "those people" don't like Bush, then he must be doing something right!

[Burma Jones]

19. So I guess they called Lt. Gov Steele and JC Watts

and voila......

[long_green]

29. Why do they hate America?

ohhhhhh....never mind.

Keep leading the way, we may catch up to you one day.