32 years old and considering going to Law School.

[Nordmadr]

Ok, thought I would try to get some advice.

I am 32 years old, have served in the military, gone to undergrad school, and worked in a civil service position for the last 5 years.

I actually went through the consideration of going to law school three years ago. I was looking to focus on environmental law and constitutional law type stuff. I took the LSAT (154 if I recall correctly)and applied to two different schools. Syracuse University and University of Buffalo. I was accepted at both, with Syracuse offering me a $10,000 a year Chancellors Scholarship ($28,000/yr tuition at the time).

I am well aware of the fact that I would have been a member of this years graduating class had I attended. The timing then was not right. I was separated from my spouse (now divorced and remarried) and did not feel that I was in a stable enough situation. Not to mention debt consideration, survival consideration, and future employability. What if I hated it and gave up my ok career/position for naught? Those considerations are ultimately what forced me to pull back from the idea.

I have recently begun giving strong consideration to this again, even at my age. Many of my previous concerns still exist, but I do have a spouse that at least appears to be open to the idea. I am sure financially it would be tough, and this obviously is one of the largest considerations. The current state of the world in general even gives me pause, however, I keep getting this feeling to just go for it; to take the chance.

Anyway, just thought I would see what Du'ers thought, especially any lawywers, law students, or folks out there that have made major career changes a bit later than most.

Thanks.

Olaf

[Callalily]

1. You should go for it!

Now if you can follow this. My best friends SO's Mom started med school at age 32. At the time she was a single mom with two small children. Now she's a world famous obstetrician for at-risk pregnancies. True story.

[raccoon]

2. I'm not in that field, but I'd advise getting as much information

as you can about job prospects in the field before investing the time, money, and effort.

I've heard stories, here and there, about law graduates having difficulty getting jobs. Now this may be a regional thing, cyclical, whatever. I'm just saying, talk to as many people as you can who have RECENTLY been job-seeking (or hiring) in the region you want to live in.

I'd make these suggestions to anybody considering going after another degree.

[JuniperLea]

3. Go for it!

Follow your heart! Pft! 32! You are just a babe! I've known many people far older than you who have changed careers or gone back to school to pursue a degree.


GO FOR IT!!!

The legal profession is in dire need of open-minded people such as yourself.

[noahmijo]

4. As a 24 year old recent grad all I can say is if you really want to do it

don't let age stop ya. 32 to me is still young, and I'll tell you I graduated with a degree in biz and I would say at least 40% of the people in my graduating class were in their 30's...some even in their 50's so age doesn't mean anything.

I would look at more how it will impact your life, can you balance it with your other "adult" responsibilities do you have kids to think about can you afford to give 60+ hrs a week to your studies because that's what law school will do to you.

If you're willing to make the commitment and can afford to do it I'd say why not?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. Do it, but be aware ....................

I started law school when I was 27, found a glitch in the ABA residency requirement rules (you'll find out about them from your registrar), busted ass by going to three different law schools - morning, afternoon, and night - one summer so as to accumulate enough credits, and got out in 2 years - passing the bar BEFORE I graduated (another glitch).

This is how I figured it - if I didn't go to law school, I'd still be 30, so I might as well become a lawyer before I was 30.

One thing you should keep in mind, though: the first year of law school is the hardest year you've ever known. I had a Marine Vietnam vet buddy in my first year class, and he said the Marine training was easier. He dropped out. Most people did. It's grueling, it's draining, it's overwhelming, and it's much more than a full-time job. It's a way of life.

Your family life will be affected, especially if your spouse doesn't understand, as most don't, because it's hard to comprehend when you're not in the middle of it, that all you want and need to do on a Friday night is sit in front of a TV, get drunk, and watch the same movie over and over. In our case, it was "Valley Of The Dolls," although I don't remember why.

More marriages broke up during our first year than I would ever have imagined - including mine.

I say "Do it," but be prepared and remember that it's but one year, with a lifetime of payoffs, in all kinds of ways, the financial being the least of it, waiting for you. If you're lucky enough to encounter the kinds of teachers I had, your approach to everything in the world will be forever enhanced.

Whatever you choose to do, I wish you the best.

[SmokingJacket]

6. Had a friend who did exactly what you're considering.

Entered law school in his early 30's. It changed his life. He had always been a good student, but couldn't find his niche in life until he went to law school, where he excelled and basically found his life's purpose in Environmental law. Now he does good, and makes good money.

It's not easy, but it could turn your life around.

[rocktivity]

7. I don't think 32 is too old

There was a major league baseball pitcher who enrolled in medical school at the age of 42.

I think employability should be your biggest consideration--"going for it" because "it feels right" is fine, but unless you can translate your degree into a viable career track, you'll just end up deeper in debt. Look into which legal specialties will offer the quickest return on your financial and personal "investment," study current and future job trends, and definitely check out your law school's placement services.

:headbang:
rocknation

[ChickMagic]

8. I'm thinking of doing the same thing

I'm 52 now and probably won't be able to pursue it until I retire. I'm desperate to concentrate on consitutional law. The Southern Poverty Law Center will back me up, as will the Atheist Law Center.

I just hope my mind is pliable enough by that time!

[Kagemusha]

9. My father was considering it at a considerably older age...

He was in blue collar work before, then got into computer stuff at 40 basically. However, law would take too long to become useful to him and by the time he'd pay the debts down he'd be at retiring age...

Just to finish the story, he's been looking at machining (as in machine tools) lately and, given his lifelong brushes with related fields, he might become very successful in that area (and would very much enjoy it). I don't mean factory work; I mean more like a shop making parts on request with computerized lathes etc... niche career, but more suited to his tastes and something that'll still be in demand until he's ready to retire (and beyond).

I'm younger than you are and this is just free opinion but, I think the big thing is whether you can see yourself doing this work 20 years from now. If so, the investment in time and trouble may well be very worth it to you. I don't think you're old *enough* to consider age a fatal barrier. Unless some unfortunate calamity befalls you, age 35 means 20 long years before age 55. That's a lot of time. The field's not going to get up and run off on you, either.

[Nordmadr]

18. It is definitely something I can imagine myself doing.

I have grand visions of what I could do. I am practical about it too, if it is like anything else in the world it will have its ups and downs. My very first consideration of it was when I was an undergrad. I was an Environmental Studies - Land Use Planning student. I took a couple of law classes, and the major itself dealt heavily with the legal field. I found it immensely interesting, even reading court cases.

I want to be idealistic AND realistic.

Olaf

[redstateblues]

10. My wife started law school at 30- she has been practicing now

for 10 years and loves it. Go for it

[Karmadillo]

11. Is it what you really want to do?

If it is, it's hard to argue against doing it. Just remember, a lot of people enter law school wanting to help people and come out with a lot of debt and a desire (at least a perceived need) to work for the highest paying corporate firm. You're the one who knows yourself the best, so just make sure you have faith you'll be able to follow through on your ideals if the going gets rough.

If, on the other hand, you really want to teach kindergarten but you're afraid your friends will think you're a wuss, do a rethink and hang out with the nearest five year olds for a few days.

[Nordmadr]

20. I do want to help people, specifically I want to help the

country. Somebody has to. :)

The legal field seems like a real good place to do that, either as a practicing lawyer, or using the legal background to work into politics or government. I want to do something that will make me proud, and something that will make me feel like I am not wasting my time. lLike I have stated in a previous post here, my educational exposure to it certainly piqued my interest. It still lingers with me now, years later.

Since it seems like that whole singer/songwrtier gig isn't going to work out...though I did take up the guitar a year and a half ago...

Olaf

[Windy]

22. I'm 47 and have been a paralegal for 14 years

I've always wanted to do it too but couldn't afford it financially. Now that my kids are all grown, I may try it. The cost is very high though. I'm in Detroit and the lowest cost per credit hour here right now is 185.00 (last time I checked) at Wayne State University. It goes up significantly from there. Also, you really must consider the impact of Tort reform in whatever state you live in. We have had significant tort reform legislation enacted in Michigan beginning in 1995 which has impacted the job market significantly. A lot of firms are laying off. I don't want to discourage you, because I love the law, but you need to have all the facts before you make the decision. You'll come out of school with a lot of debt, unless you're independently wealthy or can get grants and scholarships, you will need to get a good paying job post graduation and passing the bar to pay off student loans. Attorneys who work at law clinics and legal aid agencies don't make a lot of money...

Just some advice and info.

[lastliberalintexas]

73. You'd be better off getting a masters in political administration

or some other such degree if what you are interested in is public policy and helping people. In general, the practice of law is not about helping people- it is about representing your client zealously. Period.

Have you ever worked in a law office? Do you know any lawyers? Do you know what lawyers really do in their daily work lives- and especially how different it is from "helping the country"?

I really don't mean to sound as harsh as those questions probably do. But you need to know that you'd be better off working for an agency or institute if what you want to do si shape public policy.

[elehhhhna]

12. My sis's MIL went back to school in her 40's.

Now has a Ph.D. and teaches at a prestigious University.

DO IT! DO IT DO IT DOIT!!!!

[Deep13]

13. Frankly, ...

... the competition for work is stiff, schooling is expensive and time consuming and stressful, and the legal profession is full of assholes (esp. the clients). I am sure there are other professions that are better choices.

[gratuitous]

14. Dear Abby had a letter like this once

The guy was 38, had wanted to be a dentist all his life, but contemplating the time and expense of six years of dental school (which he could easily afford), he ended up with, "and in six years, I'll be 44." Abby led off with, "And how old will you be in six years if you don't go to dental school?"

What's your motivation? Have you long wanted to be an attorney? Do you have to practice law, or would this be an entry into something else where being a lawyer helps (government service, politics)? The current state of the world is always precarious. Good people in good positions can have an effect on that for the better, though.

I'd strongly advise you to talk with a career counselor, and maybe schedule some time with a few area attorneys to talk about what you can expect from a law career. Most attorneys I know would gladly give you an hour of their time, but even if they charge you, the information they have to impart would easily be worth the hundred bucks. I'd suggest you talk to a law firm partner, another firm's long-time (at least five years' experience) associate, and maybe a third attorney who's just starting out.

It'll cost maybe $500 all told, but it will definitely clear up a lot of your questions, and give you a much clearer idea of what you and your wife might be in for. And the contemplated expense of law school -- $50,000 or more -- is easily worth this initial investment.

[eyesroll]

15. I'm doing the same thing for next year, Olaf.

I'm 30, divorced but in a committed relationship, have a stable job, interested in Constitutional law, among others. (I'd love to do elections/campaigns.)

Took my LSAT, did a lot better than I expected, and I'll be applying to a few schools, but trying to stay local. Ideally, I'll get some $ from the law school in town (they're not generous, but my stats are significantly higher than their average) and start in the fall.

I know it's not going to be easy, and that there will be a strain on the relationship and finances (although my BF is extrordinarily supportive). Returning students do tend to do well in law school, I've been told -- we know how to manage our time better, know how to manage stress better and we're more settled in life (so the temptation to repeat our undergrad experience and stay drunk the whole time is lessened). 1L is going to be hell, no matter who you are, but experience does help in this case.

Best of luck to you!

[Midlodemocrat]

16. Go for it. Even if it doesn't work out,

you won't have the regret of never having tried.

Best of luck to you.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. I was over 40 when I went back to get an undergrad law studies degree.

I can only give you my view of what its like going back to school as an older student.

The teachers all had law degrees which was a big plus because they had experiences they could bring to the class. My age was no hindrance, except with a few of the teachers. One which was obviously skating, using a very strict class structure and didn't like the questions I brought up that pushed the envelope; another who was a working prosecutor who should never have taught because he was an easy "A" and wouldn't delve into anything that criticized the prosecutorial side. (The class was Criminal law) He skimmed right over a major case that happened right in this area that involved illegal police stopping of black people, for instance, and instead went into an explanation that a policeman with experience could use profiling as probable cause; and finally, a third liberal teacher, who was incredibly intelligent, but who also had a nasty disposition and wasn't all that open to wasting his time on an old lady who probably wouldn't go to law school.

What these negative experience mean to you is this: You're old enough to challenge the teachers' belief systems, so just be aware of their comfort zones.

But, those experiences aside, it was great. Find the teacher who can help you and develop a relationship with them early. The first big step is to get intern work since experience is everything.

We had one teacher who brought in a woman who went back to law school, just like you are, and she did fine going to school and raising two children at the same time. She had a husband who helped, but it was a challenge. They made it through and the job she has now was well worth the trouble.

Be sure it is what you want to do, however, before you go in. I've also met experienced lawyers who are sorry they picked the profession.

[Sir Jeffrey]

19. I was in law school for a few months this semester...

but had to drop out for financial reasons. A few words of advice, if I may be so bold.

1. Make sure your budget will match your earning power when you graduate. My school put out misleading salary figures. I can't stress this enough. Schools will intentionally accept kids with connections to big firms so that when the kids graduate, they can use their inflated salary figures to factor into the information they send you. Don't count on making anywhere near the average salary out of school unless you are one of the connected ones. You'll probably start out at around 40,000, if you're lucky.

2. Make sure your spouse is willing to make the necessary sacrifices. Law school is very stressful. You'll spend all of your free time in the law library studying insanely fine points of law, most of which have little bearing on what you'll do when you practice.

3. Age is no real factor in law school, unless you're approaching retirement...then Alzheimer's becomes an issue :). I'm 27, and I was a little bit older than most, but I was by no means the oldest in my class.

4. I don't know what kind of person you are, but law students are, from my experience, elitist pricks, snobs, and "gunners". Contrary to public perception, the legal profession is starkly conservative. As a DUer, you'll most likely be out of your element and be surrounded by Federalist-types.

All of that said, law school can be very rewarding. You do learn a lot, even if most of the time it seems like a big waste of time. I tend to look at the whole process as a form of initiation and brain washing. Lawyers have a lot of power, and the schools seem to want you to exercise that power in a certain way. That sounds ambiguous, but once you get into it you'll see what I mean.

I'd be happy to refine any of these points or answer any questions you may have. Good luck.

[Nordmadr]

24. Good points and helpful advice.

1) Budgeting and earning potential are big. I would probably choose, at least initially, to stay relatively close to home (assuming of course I graduated). I know those salary breakdowns for averages include folks that run off to NYC and get $100,000/yr jobs. I have no expectation of close to that. $40,000 sounds about where I would likley hope to start at.

2) I certainly intend to further discuss this with my wife as we consider it. That is part of my puprose in posting here, to get thoughts that may not have otherwise occurred to me to discuss with my wife.

3) My age consideration really only comes into play I guess because of finances and concern about money in the future. I currently earn now what I would likley start out as in the legal field. Hell, I may make more now. Obviously my income would be lost as I do not anticipate being able to make any income. In fact, I seem to recall Syracuse having a rule that you were not permitted to work in the first year.

4) I am certainly not an elitist prick. I am most certainly a progressive. I chew elitist pricks up and spit 'em out! My father supported a family of 5 on an enlisted military salary my whole life. I am one of the first in my family to get a higher level degree. I bought my first new car ever last year (wish I hadn't). I know what it is like to not have. I am not materialistic in general ( I do like my dvd's, cd's and books). I don't want to be a lawyer to make myself rich. I want to DO something, and I think I may have knack for it. I certainly have the passion.

Olaf

[eyesroll]

25. Heh. The odd thing is, nobody ever questions someone's decision

to go massively into debt for an undergrad degree -- even in a field where good-paying jobs are scarce.

Truth is, with legal aid/public law jobs, many schools offer loan-repayment assistance (although how much varies).

Keep in mind, also, the lower down the USNews rankings you get for schools, the closer to "real" those average scores are. Face it -- nobody going to The University of Southwestern Nowhere will get hired for $125K in New York, right out of school.
Schools with a good regional reputations, but lost in the muddle nationally, tend to keep more grads nearby, earning market wages.

When my local law school reports their average new grad makes $80K a year, they also report 25/75 percentiles, and break it down into people working in private practice, public law and for the government. So, I have a realistic picture.

I don't necessarily think "someone with principles" can't work in a big soul-sucking firm...I know a great liberal who practices securities law for big $$$. But he got out of debt in 5 years, works insane hours about one week a month, normal hours the rest, and can donate $$$ and time to progressive causes. (He does election law on the side, too.) As long as you accept it for what it is, I think it can be OK.

That's not to say I'm not hoping for a full ride to the local law school so I won't have debt and can work for pennies if I want once I'm out... but it's not likely to happen. :D

[Nordmadr]

27. When I applied 3 years ago

Syracuse was an upper/mid tier 3 school, and Univ. of Buffalo was a mid level tier 2 I believe. My single biggest fear is the debt being incurred in going back to school, and being able to maintain my relationship with my wife.

Olaf

[eyesroll]

30. The best advice, so far, I got about maintaining relationships...

is to schedule time with your family. Not necessarily, "OK, on Wednesdays we'll have dinner and Sundays we'll have sex," but by actually putting down "time with loved ones" in your calendar, you're more likely to stick to it.

The guy I talked to was a married 28-year-old 3L -- and he said he made a point of having dinner with his wife every night. Sometimes, he'd head right back to the library or to his books, and sometimes, he'd be in for the night. But it kept them in touch.

He also made a point of joining study groups with other nontraditional students, if he could -- they tend to be more understanding with schedules and other committments.

Many law schools have a "parents and partners"-type group -- for the loved ones of law students. That can be a big help, too.

Another woman I know who's in a relationship has a very strict study schedule (during finals, all bets are off, but that's only a short time compared to the rest of the year, even if it doesn't feel like it) -- she lets herself work from 8 to 8 Mondays, 10 to 8 Tuesdays, 10 to 6 Wednesdays, 10 to 4 Thursdays, 10 to 2 Fridays. No work Saturday. Sunday is flexible. She says it keeps her sane. I don't know if I'd do it the same way, but I like her discipline.

I've heard from many people that the actual amount of work you need to put in will be 2 or 3 hours of prep for each hour of class -- so, a 15-credit schedule will mean 30-45 hours of out-of-class work. I figure time reading will come in below that (my one true savant talent is reading scarily fast), but I might be a bit slower with other work so it'll balance out.

[Sir Jeffrey]

29. Olaf...

If you're full time, no school will allow you to work per the ABA rules. That means loans, loans, loans if you aren't rich. Or live off a nest egg. You have th epotential to earn over the summers, but don't believe the hype about huge salaries 1L summer. You'll hear rumors about 1500 a week, 2300 a week, etc. Those are for the select few at the very top of the class and/or the connected. FWIW around here most of the paid 1L's make between 8-15 bucks an hour. Many go unpaid as interns.

As far as the spouse thing, you end up spending an awful lot of time away from your SO. You get to a point where you feel like a stranger in your home. To top that off, I have a young daughter that added to the "absentee" feelings. Law school will consume your free time, especially if your profs are the "quote me the exact details of Pennoyer v. Neff beginning with Mr. Neff's land transaction with the attorney discussed in note 3 " type. I'm not embellishing that BTW.

My wife is really cool. Laid back. Never on my arse about anything. A real "live and let live" type. Within a month of law school she was breaking down in tears at the slightest adversity, including such simple things as being cut-off at the grocery store. She broke down in tears over the phone because she had trouble finding a pediatrician who would accept new patients. I could go on, but you can imagine.

I suppose my point is that there is no way to know for sure how your SO will handle it. You'll probably be fine, you certainly have the drive for it. But law school is a marriage killer of the worst kind. My advice would be to minimize the stress caused by the other factors...primarily money.

BTW I think you got the impression that I thought you were elitist. That is not what I meant at all. What I meant was that you'd be surrounded by those types, and for someone who is not elitist that can be frustrating. I was trying to warn you about those types and the added stress that comes with being around them all day.

I mean, I can't tell you how many times profs (PROFS!) would comment about how non-LS students were too dumb to go, or too irresponsible, or about how Law was super tough and only the select few could do it, etc.

I also understand your drive to contribute to society. That drive is what is keeping me from totally writing off applying to a school that I could go to for free. I may go to a cheaper school (less debt on graduation), but still concerned about my personal life.

[Coyote_Bandit]

37. Thanks for the reminder

of my old property professor. When we were studying common law estates he quoted footnote 4 from page 186 by memory. He expected us to have the same recall. He also dressed entirely in black when he gave and returned exams.

[Sir Jeffrey]

41. Sorry for the flashback...

I think law schools actively seek to hire sociopaths and schizophrenics to teach.

"He also dressed entirely in black when he gave and returned exams." This made me chortle and I'm not the "chortling" type :D

[Coyote_Bandit]

55. I should have added

that the only time he ever wore black was when he gave and returned exams. He was from the south and had a long Mississippi drawl to top it all off.

Usually the highest grade was a C. It wasn't unusual for half the class to flunk the exam. He was always so disappointed in his students. And we were all well aware that our poor performance was relative to just how poorly our classmates did.

I also had a tax prof whose final grades in a class of 42 included 1 A, 2 B's, 23 D's and F's and the remainder C's. His favorite words were obfuscate, conflate, and vitiate.

[Nordmadr]

60. I did not think you were accusing me of being elitist. Perhaps I

was just a bit overzealous in my statement regarding elitists. I just have a problem with folks that have an air of entitlement that wafts around them. Makes me want to break out a big fan and blow that foul scent away.

I am sure there are folks like that in law, perhaps more than in many professions, but not me.

I also understand that it is a process. Unless I am immensely lucky, I would not get out of school and land a dream job. It could happen, but probably not. I would likely have to settle for something not terrible, and work from there.

I am not intimidated by professors. I have always done fairly well in school...3.6 GPA average through my bachelors, at what I considered a pretty competitive school (College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse). Not trying to brag, but essentially just trying to point out that I feel psychologically prepared for the rigors of getting the education with how it relates to actual classroom study. That does not mean I think it will be easy, but with my life experience, I have a hard time believing a classroom will be my undoing.

Thanks for your info. I can use all of the insight I can get while I think about this.

I don't want to wonder what if...

Olaf

[Scout1071]

21. I had a lengthy conversation just last night about this very topic.

I'm 34 and thinking of going to Law School.

Great minds think alike.

Go for it.

[mopinko]

23. as someone who went back to school at about your age-

ok, it was art school. and a high priced one at that. some of the kids there drove me nuts. but, i think that a grad level school will be fine. you may look at it and say- i will be 36 or 37 when i get out, but you will be 37 if you don't go. you are not that old. you sound like a great candidate. and at least as a lawyer you can work for yourself, work as long as you have your health, and not be worried about having to retire.
go for it.
i ended up dropping out of school to raise a family. i always thought i would go back. but at 51, i cannot justify the expense. but 32?? go for it.

[rolleitreks]

28. I went back to law school at 30,

practiced for about a year while waiting for a State Department FSO call. Quit law for diplomacy then quit diplomacy after a few tours. Now I occasionally think of dusting off the degree and getting back into practice but quickly reconsider.

If you think law is your calling, then go for it. It can also serve as a stepping stone but consider whether it is absolutely necessary. You may be able to find a position without the JD.

You might also consider the night school approach so you can stay at your job -- possibly even get some help with tuition.

A job in environmental law sounds nice, but after three years of poverty you might go to work for the polluters -- they pay more and have more jobs to offer. Consider looking at the field of Corporate Social Responsibility (at least google the term).

Chances to practice constitutional law (by which I assume you mean defending liberal civil rights issues) are few and far between, poorly remunerated, and usually reserved for real stars. The other path often starts in the DA's office. Can you do that?

I found first year law school inspiring, much of the second and third years a grind. Think carefully before you invest the considerable amount of money and time, and the vast amount of effort, into the pursuit.

You may have the talent to sing and write or you may not. Where would you be with it if you devoted the 20 to 30 hours per week you will have to devote to part-time law school? How about the sixty for full-time?

Good luck.

[lutefisk]

26. Do it.

If you are accepted again, seize the opportunity. You aren't only talking about three years, you're talking about 30+ years after that, too. That's a lot of time to wonder "What if?"

[GoldenOldie]

36. Your 32 now, how old will you be in 10-years?

You cannot change the aging process and no one has a crystal ball to let them know the hurdles you may have to go through to reach your desired goals but to work toward them is what makes life so much sweeter.

My eldest daughter has dreamed of being in the medical profession since she was 15-years old. Coming from a ranching family, she got special permission from the local college veterinarian professor to take his class with the stipulation that she would only be permitted to stay in his class if she was able to interact and stay up with the rest of the students and maintain a passing grade. She not only kept up with the other students but she helped many of them in studying and comprehending the courses.

She began her college career and within 2-years met her future husband who was/is a federal career officer who during their marriage has been assigned throughout the world. Each time she found the time to re-enroll in college to earn her RN, she found herself almost at goals end when her husband was transferred or she became pregnant and unable to complete her final semester.

She is now 44-years old, her first child is in his first year of college, her 2nd son is entering high school, her 3rd son is in elementary school, and her husband due to retire in 4-years. Throughout all of the side roads on the route to her goal, she never lost her desire to become a RN. She is a mother who has her children involved in sports, BSA, church, and she also volunteered in 3-separate schools of her sons. She will be pinned/graduate with her RN in December and she managed to place as top student of her graduating class.

You cannot stop the aging but you can real your desires.

[Coyote_Bandit]

31. My Opinion

I am a 40 something single female living in a red state. I earned my JD and passed two bar exams before the age of 25. I returned to school in my mid 30's and earned an MBA. I have worked in private practice, in the insurance industry and as an investment portfolio manager. I continue to maintain my licenses and do provide legal services from time to time. Currently, my energies are focused on writing.

First, your age is really not an issue. You still have a long career ahead of you.

Second, what are your aptitudes and skills? You must be inquisitive and have a broad range of interests - and the ability to focus on topics in which you have no interest whatsoever. Much legal work - particularly tax work - is incredibly tedious. And, oh by the way, you cannot negotiate a settlement for anything without considering the tax consequences of that settlement. Nor can you do the simplest of wills.

Third, is your personality such that you are able to work in an adversarial environment for the remainder of your career? Everything in the legal profession is about conflict. Every case is a battle - or a strategic plan to obtain a desired end and to prevail if challenged. You must be competitive, aggressive, ambitious and self-reliant. The legal profession is not noted for teamwork or for offering a collaborative environment.

Fourth, is your personality such that you can accept that many of your clients will leave your service unhappy and dissatisfied - even when you obtain the best possible result? People consult with lawyers when they have a problem or anticipate a problem - your services will be expensive and the legal system is stressful and often highly emotionally charged.

Fifth, do you want to work for justice or save the country? Noble - but definitely not lucrative and you will be disillusioned.

Sixth, what are your career goals and aspirations? Over sixty percent of private practice attorneys are self-employed. Only a small percentage of law students have high profile political or business connections or get judicial clerkships or bar review positions or consistently high grades from prestigious schools. Those are the things that are most likely to make young attorneys attractive to law firms and corporations. Most corporations actually prefer to hire experienced counsel that they have used successfully in private practice. It is not at all uncommon for new attorneys to find themselves unable to find employment in the legal profession and be forced to choose between opening their own practice or taking a law related position. And if you are a new attorney you can plan on taking lots of divorce cases and taking lots of criminal appointments to pay the bills. If you do get a position in a law firm you should be aware that you will likely be expected to bill a minimum of 1500 to 2500 hours annually (depending on where you live). That works out to a minimum of six billable hours per day. Problem is you will also be doing contingency fee cases, research and various administrative functions that cannot be billed to a client. The sole practitioners section of my local bar association estimates that on average you can produce five billable hours in an eight hour work day. They also estimate that you will never collect at least twenty percent of the fees and expenses that you bill. Whether you go it on your own or work in private practice you can expect some very long work days - especially for the first few years.

Seventh, what are your income requirements and expectations? If you have your own practice and are self-employed you can expect wide variations in your income level. I have seen numerous bar membership surveys that show that the average male attorney earns about half of what the average male general family practitioner earns. For a variety of reasons, the average female attorney earns half of what the average male attorney earns.

The legal profession can be rewarding. If I were to offer any advice it would be (1) go to school in the state where you intend to reside and practice; (2) focus your efforts during your first full year of courses exclusively on learning the law and (3) reduce your coursework your second and third year by adding summer classes or an additional semester of classes in order to work in a law firm. Law schools are notorious for offering woefully inadequate practical training and experience. This will compensate for that and allow you to build contacts in the profession.

Edit for grammar....

[SW FL Dem]

71. Great Post

a lot to think about it. I went to law school saying "the last thing I am going to do is find tax loopholes for IBM". I graduated from a top ten law school, got a job with a good firm making good money and ended up doing exactly what I vowed I would never do. We called our salary, bonus and benefits the "golden handcuffs". My student loans totalled over 60K (and this was over 20 years ago). I worked crazy hours, the firm had a "minimum" of 1700 billable hours which works out to 7-8 billable hours a day. Billable hours don't include administrative time, time spent looking for a file that someone else misplaced, time spent interviewing recruits or serving on firm committee's or doing firm related work. I generally put in 60-70 work weeks. Luckily for me, hubby was also an associate at a law firm, he understood my stresses and didn't resent the nights I didnt' come home until 2 am.

I practiced for 15 years and then quit to be a stay at home mom. I may go back someday, but it is unlikely since we have moved to another state and I would have to take the bar exam again :(

[lastliberalintexas]

75. Billable requirements are now over 2000 hours

at most firms, even some plaintiffs' firms (since hours are tracked regardless of whether they are billed at some firms). The "profession" of law has turned into the business of law.

[SW FL Dem]

76. I know :(

When I practiced, the "mimimum" was 1700-1800 hours but everyone knew that you had to bill 2100-2200 to make partner. I did it but I didn't do much else. The good thing is that when you are working for huge clients, they don't balk when you are billing 10-12 hours a day on their matters, they are used to it. It's much harder to get those billables in when you are working for small clients and writing off some of your time because you wonder if this memo or pleading really should have taken you x hours to research and write.

I am so glad I don't have to deal with that shit anymore. It even make cleaning bathrooms look attractive :).

[Nordmadr]

77. So I take it you would not recommend going back to school

for law? :)

I already did the bathroom cleaning training in the military.

Olaf

[lastliberalintexas]

78. Not if you want to "help people"

As I posted above, the legal profession is not about helping people or shaping public policy. The cumulative effect of your work as a lawyer may shape policy just because of the precedential value of court rulings, but that is not what your day to day focus is. Instead, you are researching, drafting pleadings, briefs, and other documents, writing correspondence, spending untold hours on the telephone, etc. The hours are long, the stress is very real, the pressures are enormous because the stakes are often so high (client's freedom if criminal and $$$$ if civil), and you are often busting your a** for people you may not even like. But you're doing it because they are your clients, and you are doing everything within your power to protect their interests, sometimes in spite of themselves.

And for that, you are hated by many in the general public and called an ambulance chaser. Yes, the pay is better than many jobs. But accountants also make good money, without all the extraneous bs.

Legal jobs for non profits that actually do help people and try to shape public policy (like the ACLU, Southern Poverty Law Center and the Children's Defense Fund) are rare, underpaid, and highly sought after positions that typically go to people with outstanding academic achievements or connections.

I would actually recommend that you work in a law office for 6 months to a year before you make that decision. Or, if you really do think that it's the policy aspect you're interested in, look into the university's political science program to see what advanced degrees are available. And there's always the LBJ School of Public Affairs at UT. :)

[Nordmadr]

84. Part of the problem I have with going back to school for a

political science type thing is that these degrees still don't seem to really "qualify" you to do any particular job. I like knowing, ok, I have "X" degree and I can do "Y" with that degree.

I would be incredibly disappointed to go back to school at this point; spending time, effort, and money to find myself not qualified to do anything more than what I was qualifed for before. Perhaps my take on that is misguided, I don't know.

Olaf

[Coyote_Bandit]

85. A degree does not qualify you for anything

A degree is a credential. A skill qualifies you to get a job or to actaully help somebody as an attorney. This is why it is critical that you get as much practical experience in a law office as you possibly can before you finish law school. You can have the credential and lack the skill.

You can also have the credentials and the skills and still not succeed in a profession. In the city where I live there are approximately 90 citizens for every single licensed attorney. Think about the kinds of competitive behavior that engenders - and the implications for earning potential. And, oh yes, don't forget that some legal services - especially research - are beginning to be outsourced.

The law can be a noble profession. At the very least you will learn principles that have broad application in many industries and job functions. You will certainly acquire transferrable skills.

But graduating from law school and passing a bar exam (or even 2 or 3) is no guarantee that you will find employment in the legal profession - or be skilled enough to offer competent legal services.

Over sixty percent of attorneys are self-employed. Do you think they all prefer to go it on their own? More than a few come to the realization that if they are ever going to practice law after investing a lot of time, money and effort that they are going to have to assume the risks of hanging out their own shingle. If you want to succeed in the legal profession you need to know that going in - and you need to be preparing for that eventuality from the beginning.

You need to consider that careers are not just about your interests, desires, aptitudes and skills. They are about what you can offer to fill a need. It is important that you like what you do and that you do it well. It is just as important that somebody has a need to acquire your skills.

It will always be difficult to suceed in a career where graduates exceed demand. Are you willing to live and work in a rural or remote area? Would you consider a career in a county where there are three attorneys - one who serves as judge, one who serves as prosecutor and one who serves as defense counsel? Believe it or not there are a lot of places like that.

In this and in my earlier post I have shared many of the things that I wish I had considered more carefully before choosing to go to law school. I really do wish you all the best but, really, there are no guarantees. Follow your heart - but give it a reality test first.

[bikebloke]

32. Had a friend in Switzerland

She was over 30 and unmarried, working as a secretary. And sharp as a tack. Her flat was filled with books. The Swiss are a bit backward towards women, figuring they must all be married. Since she wasn't, they had a program to pay for schooling. So she went to med school, and is now a doctor.

[tenshi816]

33. I know someone who started med school at 33.

She was married with a child, and started the whole slog through med school, internship and residency just prior to her 34th birthday. I don't remember how many years it took, but she stuck with it - including keeping her marriage intact and her son happy - until she fulfilled her dream.

I say go for it. You might well look back with regret if you don't.

[MN ChimpH8R]

34. One perspective

Olaf, you should weigh the decision very carefully. The debt one incurs in going to law school can severly limit your career choices, and the big, high-paying firms are extremely selective. Also, they will work you to death. Even the partners who vote Dem think like Repukes when it comes to their own bottom line, and those big partner salaries are generated by associates working like galley slaves to bill 2500 hours a year.

If you're thinking of going into public interest work, the pay is low, though the rewards can be high. You might also be able to get some debt forgiveness or reduction should you do so.

Just going to law school is not a ticket to a successful career, as
I have learned over the last 17 years, and I went to Harvard.

Knowing what you want to do after graduation and how much debt you will have are the key things in the calculus. I won't say do it or don't, just be aware of the potential pitfalls of mortgaging your life and go into the decision making process with your eyes wide open.

Best of luck!

On Edit: Everything Coyote Bandit says is true. Every word.

[Coyote_Bandit]

49. Thanks n/t

[Lex]

35. Keep in mind there was a study that showed that lawyers

have the highest dissatisfaction with their chosen field than any other profession. Plus a high rate of alcoholism and suicide.

I'll try to find the study.

Being a lawyer myself, I remember reading the study thoroughly, but I wasn't surprised frankly.

[Nordmadr]

38. Syracuse salaries of graduates

from here: http://www.law.syr.edu/careerdevelopment/employment_stats.asp

Syracuse would likely be the only school to which I would apply if I follow through on this. It is certainly a big intimidating decision.


Starting Salaries
Practice type as well as geographic location greatly influence the starting salaries of law graduates. Compensation varies widely between the public and private sectors and among employers within each sector of the marketplace as well as among geographic locations, with larger metropolitan areas typically offering higher starting salaries. Other factors that may influence initial earnings for recent graduates are law school academic achievements and co-curricular activities.

For members of the Class of 2004 who provided salary information, the average salary for all employment types was $51,300. The range spanned $34,000 for public interest law employment to $97,000 for large law firm practice.

The average salary reported by those students in public sector government jobs was $45,000, while the average salary reported by those students in private sector jobs was $59,000. The average salary reported by those in private practice law firm jobs was $60,700.

[Nordmadr]

40. Tuition there is now $32,820 a year. Jesus that is criminal! N/T

[MN ChimpH8R]

45. Law schools are cash cows

for universities. All you need is a building, profs, books and computers. They don't need atom smashers or fancy technology like physics and engineering departments. The profit made by schools off law students is absurd. Such high rates can be charged because so many people think a law degree is a ticket to riches and will pay through the nose for it. That is a very foolish belief.

[Sir Jeffrey]

42. Try to get the median from Career Services if you can...

It gives a better indication of what you'll most likely earn.

[Ravenseye]

39. My Mom Went To Law School At 46 years old

I made a radical career shift at age 25 away from everything I'd studied, including in Graduate School.

Go for it.

[lindac07]

48. Go for it!!!!!!!!

I'm 55 years old and retired. My husband and I are enjoying the good life, as best we can. I always regretted not going on to law school. But at this stage of my life, I don't even want to think about the idea of going back to school. At your age, you have so much time and and energy. There is also the maturity factor. You would be head and shoulders above the younger students. Besides, we need you. Good luck in whatever you decide.

[Jersey Devil]

43. Go at night and keep your day job - St Johns, NYU, NYLS

and some other law schools have evening divisions. It's 4 years at night instead of 3 during the day.

[jokerman93]

44. Go for it!!!

I knew a guy who started medical school at the age of 35. Completed his training and went into private practice. Coincidently a close friend of mine had a similar kind of process to you when she was 37 and raising two kids. Her husband is an artist and they weren't wealthy, but they made some sacrifices and accomplished the seemingly impossible. She went to law school, and has been practicing law now for about 5 years.

Me? I became a pirate at 40.

It's great your spouse is supportive. Anything is possible. You can do it!

:toast:

[Nordmadr]

51. Arrrgggghhhhh....N/T

[BrotherBuzz]

46. Christine Craft went to law school at fifty...

and that after a very successful career. She didn't regret it, you won't either. GO FOR IT!!!

[Protagoras]

47. I know a 65 year old woman who went to law school

and said it was the best decision she ever made.

Old Turkish saying paraphrased "No matter how far down the wrong road you have gone, turn back"

or as Campbel would say "follow your bliss".

[goddess40]

74. We had a lady from my hometown that did the same

If you like to read and write A LOT go for it.

[Hamlette]

50. go for it....

its an interesting career. I can't believe they pay me to read and think and write and talk and give them my opinion! Get out. I'd do those things for free.

The only thing I hate is other lawyers. Sometimes you see the same thing you do in politics. Locking horns with someone who want's to trip you up procedurally rather than "find the truth". (Think having a case that goes on for years with DeLay as your opponent. Sure, it would be fun to "beat" him but its hell along the way.) But that is not true of all areas of the law. Criminal law is not like that in my state and I love working for an agency. When ever they ask for my opinion I try to find a way to tell them "turn left", figuratively that is.

The first year of law school is hard. I'd try to find a way to do it without a job. I was lucky enough to not work that year but I did work after the first year and my husband worked all three years. We didn't divorce and very few people dropped out at my school. I can only think of one out of 140 and he dropped out after the first week. There may have been others.

It's interesting. And you are not too old. Sheesh.

[newportdadde]

52. I'm about your age.

I'll turn 29 here soon. All I can really say is that if your going to go for it do it now before you have kids. We have a 22 month old and my wife is pregnant with twins... I can't imagine trying to go to school now... :scared:

[Just Me]

53. Well, to be perfectly honest with you,...

,...I hated practicing law and literally quit practicing in '98. Aside from the stress associated with the profession, the daily intellectual acrobats and confrontation with complete assholes (e.g. other lawyers) led me to decide that, this was not the profession for me.

On the other hand, my SO loves being an attorney. He really has fun practicing law, rarely taking much of it too seriously, and he's fabulously successful.

Although I hated practicing law, I certainly value my JD. You have nothing to lose in acquiring that degree; well, except three years and some big bucks! *LOL*

I send best wishes to you as you explore this very important decision.

[Nordmadr]

54. This is what makes it tough, for every person that loves it

there appears to be another that hates it. It is the kind of decision that makes you get all knotted up in your stomach. One of the things I also consider though is that there are a number of things you can potentially do with a law degree without directly practicing as a lawyer. It at least puts you in a circumstance where if you hate being a lawyer, the degree is still not totally wasted.

Olaf

[Marymarg]

56. My niece's career change

My niece graduated from USC Law and was a practicing attorney in Los Angeles. On vacation, she went to Costa Rica to work with sea turtles and became hooked.

To make a long story short, she began taking levelling classes at night, paid off her law school loans, chucked that profession and went off to grad school in marine biology. She now has a Master's and is currently in Antartica, working with penguins as part of her doctorate program from UC at San Diego. She is VERY happy.

Edit to add: She is 37 now so she made the switch at about your age.

[WeRQ4U]

57. I'll let you in on some of the things that I learned in law school........

Just ask me any questions you might have. I finished about 2 years ago. Granted, I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum when it comes to age. I started Law School when I was 22. I was among the youngest kids there. But what goes on at school is a constant, really.

I attended Lewis and Clark law school in Portland, Oregon. If you're considering E-law, then you have probably heard of it. It's the top E-law school in the nation. I intended on getting my E-law certificate but quickly realized that although idealistic, I wasnt' nearly as hardcore as those REALLY interested in the practice. Besides, I found the Environmental Laws and statutes to be vauge and toothless and I just couldn't see myself muddling through them on a daily basis.

I have one bit of free advice. Know that the journey you are about to embark on is one that will not just test your intelligence, it will test your strength, your communication skills, your preparedness, your emotional quotient, your ability to create relationships, your tenacity, your faith, your family, your pocketbook and your ego. It's not something to be taken lightly. But don't let that desuade you. If you're prepared, you can do it. Let me put it this way.....I saw some schmucks graduate and get jobs. If you're willing, you are able.

[Nordmadr]

58. What kind of job satisfaction do you have?

Has debt to income ratio been a problem for you?

What field do you work in?

My primary interest is in environmental law, constitutional law, and areas of law that deal with government regulation and agencies. I do not care about getting rich in law, but want to be satisfied with what I do, while being able to earn a decent income. If I could get out of law school in my area starting at $40-50 thousand, I would be pretty happy with that...assuming I could still pay my anticipated student loans. Is that a high expectation? I know that is a loaded question considering geographic differences, and variations within types of practice. Had to ask anyway.


Olaf

[WeRQ4U]

59. I'll anwer these to the best of my knowledge....

Remember, I'm a youngster. I'm green to this, having been out of law school for only a couple years. But I can give you some insight as to what it's like out of the chute.....at least from my perspective.

First, The debt-to-income hasn't really been a problem for me as of yet, as I can pay my student loan payments (120K total), my mortgage and my car payment each month and have a little to spare for my wife and kid, on my measly 40K a month salary. But beware, there are reasons I can do this that may not apply to you. The most important reason being that I live in an area of the Country where the cost of living is markedly lower than the national average. This makes owning a home MUCH less burdensome. Your expectations may be realistic if you can find a place to practice with the same circumstances, but I know that if I lived anywhere else, it would be tough. Especially in New York state. I also have a wife, who also works for the state (local university) and she brings extra income to the marriage as well. In addition, we don't pay anything for insurance, which is a big deal since I'm diabetic. Those things make a big difference.

Second, I am still doing my post-law school judicial clerkship. I work for three district judges covering 6 or 7 counties. I can't give you much insight as to any particular "field", but I love what I do right now and I'm really itching to get out into practice and make a living. BTW, you don't HAVE to do a judicial clerkship at all, But I would advise that if you can secure one, you should do it. Not only are you around different aspects of the law all the time, but you make crucial societal connections, you learn how judges think, you learn many practical applications that you don't learn in law school, and perhpas most importantly, you get some signatures and letters of recommendation for your resume. Also, the job is much less stress-laden than any other job you'll get out of law school. Even if you're doing E-law, you need practical skills to practice. Plus, I do oil and gas law at least once a month here. So you DO use a little environmental knowledge once in a while.

Third, like I said before, be very aware when entering law school, that Environmental Law, and Administrative law (these two areas are inseparable) while noble, are going to be tough. One, I found that the statutes governing Environmental Law to be vague and hard to implement, not to mention the fact that many of them have been altered by the current administration and left without any bite. Two, realize that Administrative law is just mounds of red tape. You'll realize that the procedure for getting things done in any agency takes considerable effort. I just wasn't willing to go through all that crap. Also, realize that there are always three sides to every issue. There are the bad guys (oil companies, factories), the regulators (Army Corp, EPA etc.) and the activistis (Sierra Club etc.). The involvement of all three groups ALL the time, makes it downright impossible to get anything done. Finally, realize that you just won't make any money doing it. In fact, you'll most likely make less than I currently do, at my piddly state clerkship. Now, I know that you said you don't care if you can MAKE money practicing law, but realize that unless you're independently wealthy, you still have to find a way to live. Making teacher wages with 100K in loans will be extremely tough going.

Also, (and I just have to say this considering some of the other posts about Lawyers and their personal issues), don't be desuaded by those that say that working in the legal rhelm is hard simply because its filled with egotistical pricks. I won't lie to you, there are those people in the legal field, lot's of them. Hell, sometimes the job calls for it. But there are pricks in ANY field you may choose to practice. The behavior of other lawyers should hardly impact your decision. Be aware that for every clueless jackass, there are 2 or 3 bright, ethical, and agreeable lawyers who take pride in being attorneys that see it as a noble profession with high ideals.....not just a way to make money and buy cars.

[Nordmadr]

66. Thanks for the reply. It gives me more to think about. N/T

[spuddonna]

61. Go for it!

My hubby who is now 37, decided last year that after a decade of computer programming, specifically database dev., he was sick of it and wanted to do a career change. He's always been a computer game addict, and I always thought that he'd be a great game developer so we looked around for colleges and decided DigiPen in WA would be the best fit for what he wanted - please note we lived in Rochester, NY at the time, have two kids (6 and 8) and had never lived on the west coast!

But as a family we decided it was worth it to 'go for it' - so here we are in WA state! My hubby had to start all over because he's been away from school for over a decade (they wouldn't accept transfer credits older than 10 yrs) so he's only a sophomore, and is older than many of his teachers! But he's so happy, and excited, and I know we made the right decision.

I won't say it hasn't been rough for any of us: it was a huge change for our family, new schools for kids, new friends. It was very challenging for my hubby during the first year to go through the 'Can I do this? Am I going to be able to compete against these younger people?' but he's doing well, and has formed closer relationships with his teachers (due to his age and experience).

Our biggest challenges have been financial, but we're scraping by. Our kids realize that we're sacrificing and penny-pinching now, in the hope that things will be better soon... This may be harder to remind them of this around Christmas! lol

I say, if you are willing to put in the hard part - all the studying - then you should go for it!

BTW - Would you be going to one of the upstate NY schools you mentioned? Do you live in that general area? I just wanted to warn you about the winters if you don't live around there! :D They can be nasty!!

[Nordmadr]

62. Yeah, I know. I do live in the Syracuse area. I have spent

probably half my life in Central New York overall. The winters are brutal, but damn, spring sure is so much sweeter.

I would very likely opt to apply to Syracuse University and hope for all the financial aid, scholarships, loans I could get my hands on. Since they have already accepted me once, I am fairly confident I would get accepted again. Not nearly as confident they would offer me one of those scholarships again, but it sure would be nice...

Olaf

[spuddonna]

63. That's very true...

... and then the summers are hot and steamy! Good swimming weather... I miss Rochester... ok, I don't miss the 6" of snow each night... :)

I'll bet the college would offer you something! I have no idea how long scholarship offers 'last'... but it can't hurt to ask!

Hey, no matter what your decision, good luck... It's a huge life change if you do go for it, and a big time commitment! Peace!

[Nordmadr]

65. I just touched off an email to the office of admissions to see

if there are any different processes for previously accepted students. It would be nice to get offered one of those scholarships again...

Thanks for the "good luck".

Olaf

[BJW]

64. My Two Cents

If you aren't happy in your current career choice go for it, no matter what you age. But I would also ask yourself, what is it about a law career that I think would make me happier than I am now?

About the choice of law focus...Make sure your choice of law school is "known" for focus in these areas.

Also, and most importantly, if you're making reasonably good money now, but want to do "white hat" environmental law, you will earn very little money, and honestly you may not be able to find a job. Same for "constitutional law" by which I presume you mean "civil rights" litigation. As an important aside, it's something of a truism in civil rights cases that the plaintiffs you'd represent just might be unreasonable a-holes (think loudmouth Nazis wingnuts, etc.)

The real money to be had is in "black hat" law firms. BUT, a few years doing "black hat" will give you an edge with future "white hat" organizations or with getting a job in government.

Right now, the EPA and many state environmental agencies are severely demoralized because these agencies have been underfunded and gutted and are also headed by people opposed to enforcement, so if you work for government you often won't be allowed to promptly pursue wrongdoers or enforce meaningful penalties, etc.

In any event, if you're not interested in working real long hours, or working with and for argumentative, know-it-all a-holes, don't go into law.

Just a little advice from "One Who Knows"

[AZBlue]

67. Go for it!! I'm 39 and I'm going back to school next year!

[Nordmadr]

68. I am really considering it, but I just have this money fear.

I just have a real hard time rapping my head around coming out of school again and owing as much as another $100,000, on top of the $14,000 I owe now. That kind of money just does not compute. It is just insane what they price the tuition for these schools at. No wonder most lawyers end up being elitist pricks, for the most part, they are the only ones that can afford to get the education.

Cutting our household income in half is another matter as well. Not to mention the problem I have with having filed bankruptcy with my ex-wife 6 years ago...while I was an undergrad (it was bankruptcy or quit school). This will amost certainly impact my ability to get any kind of private loans.

Ah...shit, feeling much less optimistic about it this morning.

Olaf

[SW FL Dem]

69. I started law school at 22, many of my classmates were 30+

I think as a group the older students were more organized, motivated and did better than the younger students. I spent time socializing and didn't have a support system at home. I can't imagine being married to a law student (who tend to be miserable to live with for at least 2 years) but a lot of my classmates were married and survived. One woman who was a year ahead of me had a toddler, had her second child during her second year and her husband started law school during her third year. I can't imagine their life, but they made it work. They are still married 20 years later.

[Nordmadr]

70. I'm miserable to live with now anyway.

:evilgrin:

Olaf

[sojourner]

72. I received my graduate degree in 1998, which made me

47 years old. I started working in my field -- internships, etc. -- while completing my thesis, which helped with that dread of being "over the hill" before I even began.

If I'd known then what I know now, I'd have chosen law instead of psychology. But other than that, I am glad I did it!

I was 39 when I ENTERED college, and raising 5 kids. Cared for my son's ex-girlfriend when after having my beautiful grandson, she manifested a serious mental illness. I shared custody and cared for the baby during grad school so it took me longer than it probably should have to finish.

Every day that you put it off (because you're "too old"), you grow a day older and you will be that much older when you DO decide to "go for it". OR, maybe you'll grow old and bitter about "what might have been".

[AspenRose]

79. I was a paralegal before I went back to school at 36

I'm working on my MSW (currently 37, and I'm one of the youngest in my class) and would like to go to law school once I'm done (no joint programs in my area).

I know a lady in my town who went to law school in her 60s. She's in her 70s and is still in private practice.

One of my friends just graduated from law school at 35. She was an officer of an organization called OWLS: Older, Wiser Law Students. A cohort of hers graduated from law school after being a teacher for 25 or so years. She was so fed up with Bush's No Child Left Behind she was pissed off enough to go to law school and become an educational lawyer. She is probably pushing 60. And her husband was ill during her tenure in law school. But she did it.

Go for it.

[Justpat]

80. Do it.

Just do it. We need people like you in the profession.

[cmd]

81. You won't get any younger, but you could get that degree

Go for it.

[SoCalDem]

82. We rarely regret the things we DID as much as the things we DIDN'T do ..

Go for it.. :)

[Riddler]

83. Do it!!! Do it!!!! Do it!!!! Take the word of someone who knows....

you'll regret it for the rest of your life if you don't. Speaking from a personal standpoint, I was accepted to UNC Law School right after completing my under-grad degree, but put it off to help out in the family business because my dad was sick at the time. That was 1970!!!! Started to go back in 1980 at age 32 and re-took LSAT and got all the paper work done. Then found out wife was preggers with first child, and now here I am at age 57 regretting the 2 times I passed it up.

[haydukelives]

86. I'm 50 years old

and halfway through my first semester of nursing school. Just do it!

[tallahasseedem]

87. Good luck!

I love to see stories like this.