Fuck (this) America... In listening to KO and hearing the words about the

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

clandestine prisons.

God Damn them! That they do these things in our name?

I've been reading for two years about this and to actually hear the words spoken outside of DU pushes the envelope too far.

The fact that we now "talk the talk and don't walk the walk" to treat our enemies in the fashion that the Nazi's and Japanese were purported to treat their enemies in WWII (thus making them the "bad guys") is nauseating to me as well it should be.

There are SO MANY things wrong with this administration's actions that it is hard to focus on any one thing long enough to actually realize the ramifications of any one particular action.

I am so fucking sick of this shit that I can barely type straight. Please, God, if you are real, take these sons of bitches for a lesson.

(on edit)

Really. this crap has gone on long enough.

The bush apologists cry "Well, everyone else thought that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction." Yes. Because you told them so and made shit up to help them believe!

PNAC wrote the playbook years before any of this crap went down. Is it any surprise that most of the signatories were the people that took us into the INVASION of iraq?

For God's sake, look at the financial connections. If we can see it here, why can't the press?

The press? Knight Ridder was taking an indi view... Look what's happening to them now.

Trade practices? Where the fuck is the middle class today? Competing with people who can live well on $0.75 an hour for a 40 hour week.

Is it too fucking late? Has this country finally been bought and paid for?

What is it going to take to bring America back to Americans?


/end rant

[Ksec]

1. This may be the straw that breaks the camels back

but Im not gonna hold my breath. Asshole bush has been getting away with this kinda thing for years. When I read about this earlier I had a feeling the CIA itself leaked this out.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

13. This was no leak, it has been around for over a year.

And the fact that the Senate, the Congress and the media of the United States has not pursued it until renegade KO mentions it is a shame and a signifier of America's ignorance and attitudes.

[JuniperLea]

2. If this is the way America treats the rest of the world's population

we have no right to scream about the horrendous things done by others. Sickening. We are all screwed.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

17. That's the one thing the Neocons don't get... They are expecting

to take over the whole fucking world. Have you read the PNAC website? These people are nets at best or psychotic megalomanics at best.

While these people have seats in power, the American ideal and dream is fucked.

[nookiemonster]

38. I second your frustration.

And you're absolutely correct about the PNAC and it's plans. Sadly, I feel that most Americans have no idea.

For the lurkers, take a lurk at this:
www.newamericancentury.org

[long_green]

41. on that site you link

is a map of the world. The Far East is referred to as "East Asia."
I think someone at PNAC has a sick sense of humor which is the first human sounding thing I have seen coming out of there.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.

[nookiemonster]

42. Wow, I never noticed that before.

Orwell has to be in an uncontrollable spin about now.

[bleever]

3. I'm with you.

Thanks.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Good news KO is talking about it

bad news, why did it take them this fucking long?

[Berry Cool]

12. Maybe it took so long

because it's been kept so double-super-secret.

The whole thing sickens me too. How can we claim to be better than what we oppose when we act as if the ends justify the means?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

26. Not in my opinion... A much more bland explanation...

Americans weren't told they were supposed to care about it.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

19. Why did it take so long? Even KO is driven by ratings and money...

They had to believe there was an audience,

Too few believe in right anymore. It's all about the money.

We are sinking faster every day.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

5. I am so glad that my father and my uncles

are not alive to see this. They were all WWII vets and I know this would absolutely sicken them.

I'm beyonds words with this.

I want my country back!!!!!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

28. I'm sitting here under a collection of Japanese occupation money

collected by my Grandfather who served under Halsey...

He would spin if he were aware of this.

[goodboy]

6. We're torturing them there, because we can't torture them here (nt)

[catnhatnh]

7. And when the rumors of detention camps....

...in the us are confirmed??? I used to dismiss those rumors as a touch too tin-foily....No more...

[TomClash]

8. Payback from the WH to the CIA for Libby

Of course, who authorized it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. this story has been around for close to a year

special renditions.., remember those?

The WH did a major booboo, they said... we can neither confirm or deny ... blah, blah, blah, so your rumors and special renditons et al became open targets for the media

[bonito]

14. O boy, I saw that too

But... THE TRUTH WLL SET US FREE!

[Ladyhawk]

24. The truth will set you free, but first, it will piss you off. n/t

[bonito]

25. Got that right n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. Is it really the CIA that's maintaining the gulag, or is it....

...a NeoCon, Pentagon-based operation? And you're correct...regardless of who's running it, who authorized it in the first place?

The WH simply cannot match the CIA tit-for-tat...they should have known that before they burned Valerie Plame.

[shenmue]

9. Right you are

Very much on point, Tom.

I can't take it either.

We cannot do the very things we find repugnant in our opponents.

Disgusting.

:mad:

:grr:

:puke:

[doc03]

10. Relax , O'liely said this is perfectly legal according

to all the legal experts. We all should know the spin stops at the Factor. Fair and Balanced!

[lostnfound]

15. I was actually pleased to see it hit the mainstream news

just a day or so after the same article hit Raw Story. I was thinking that's some progress.

(Yes, I do know the reports of secret prisons have been around for many months.)

[JJackFlash]

16. Most merkans would be perfectly happy to live under fascism

trouble with this crew is, they can't even make the trains run on time.

[Metta]

18. Doing things in our name is just a cover. They don't care.

If they can wrap themselves in the flag and it flies, so much the better.

[mzmolly]

20. Larry King just asked Jimmy Carter about this tonight. JC said this

is another example of "un-precedented" BS perpetuated by this administration.

[jasmeel]

21. Today on NPR some guy called up talking about how terr'sts

need to be tortured for America's safety! I was so outraged!!! Don't they know torture does NOT work!! People will say anything to stop being tortured! It was maddening to even have to listen to that bullshit!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

36. I heard that whilel driving home yesterday.

O nearly drove off the road.

[WiseButAngrySara]

22. I agree with your post and your concerns. PNAC is evil IMHO. Could

you explain what you meant by this remark concerning the Press?

"The press? Knight Ridder was taking an indi view... Look what's happening to them now."

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

23. While KR has not been what I would call completely impartial to American

politics, they have been moreso than others.

It now appears that powerful forces are now trying to force them to sell out.

There's several pieces here in DU about it. It's not 100% either way, but it sure seems as if their displeasure with the Bush Admin may have something to do with it.

[WiseButAngrySara]

30. Oh how sad! I'll try and find the DU links on this subject. Thanks. n/t

[I Have A Dream]

45. I think that Knight Ridder was one of the first news organizations...

that reported on the Downing Street Minutes. They were really proud of themselves that they did this, as they should be.

Too bad that this is happening to them.

[Mach V]

27. Libby Arraignment Tomorrow

CASE NUMBER: 1:2005-cr-00394-RBW Judge Walton
USA vs LIBBY
11/03/2005 10:30AM Courtroom 5 Arraignment

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
333 Constitution Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20001



If you are in DC, bring your signs to help maintain a media presence on this case.

Libby Arraignment Tomorrow

[fearnobush]

29. Exactly, they are kicking down the CIA to minimize Treason gate.

They did this Gulag story today to weaken public opinion of the CIA and thus the Leaked CIA agent Val P. Next they will start to claim she did the actual torturing.

[nookiemonster]

39. I agree.

I see it as another angle of the familiar RW talking point:

"CIA conspiring against Bush"

Funny how this shit would come out now. :sarcasm:

[RedOnce]

31. This rant strikes a nerve

"God Damn them! That they do these things in our name?"

Indeed.

Thank you for putting my feelings in words.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Welcome to DU

[RedOnce]

34. Thanks, nice to be here.

[walldude]

32. Keith was cooking tonight...

Libby, Gulags and the Joe Wilson interview. Awesome...

[snot]

35. ok we agree with ourselves. Plan of Action? nt

[Loge23]

37. Are we heading towards civil war here?

Other posts note the bedrock 33-35% approval for the admin. I am beginning to wonder about our ability to co-exist with extremists in our own country, let alone Iraq.
Poverty is spreading, the corruption continues unabated, corporativism has run amok. Folks that are out of the loop economically are seething. How much longer can we go without an eruption?
The idiot's plan to quarantine the country in the event of a (real or staged) pandemic, IMO, will be the first shot over the bow.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

43. I really have to wonder.

I cannot remember a time where the division was so black and white and where the crimes so blatant.

[bigbrother05]

44. Dick Cheney motto

It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.