Question? How can you fight the "War on Terra" if your CIA/Under Cover

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people stationed around the world to watch for nuclear proliferation our outed by your own people?

I was struck with this idea yesterday after watching some of the Sunday spin shows, there were a few Dems here and there sticking to the point that this is about the leaking of a CIA agent, which I think is something that should be hammered and is the issue here.

I think an additional talking point like the cherry on a cake, is how can you fight the "War on terra" when your CIA / Undercover people our outed, how can anyone in America argue that? Even freeptards.

Doesn't outing people undermind the "War on Terra" and possibly lead to more soldiers getting killed? Am I stupid here?

I know the Blogosphere is a powerful place to raise talking points that have a way of peculating up.:think:

[Canuckistanian]

1. They're saying this is already having a chilling effect on hiring

Most people don't voluteer to be operatives, they're coaxed into it because they have some special expertise or knowledge.

Whether recruited out of school or business, a lot is asked of a potential operative. Change your life completely, get a new name, home and oh, you have to lie to all your friends and acquaintances about your new circumstances.

And they don't go after dumb people, either. Most people know by now that the CIA is probably in disarray under the thumb of Porter Goss, a partisan *ush appointee with minimal experience in the agency.

Now, it appears that cover is not sacrosanct any more, at least not with these idiots in charge.

So why give up the comfortable job or studies for a life of uncertainty and misery?

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2. Agreed, but also ever since 9/11 we have been hearing about fighting

the "War on Terra". Doesn't outing the people on the ground in the field that gets your intelligence information contradict fighting the "War on Terra" in fact one could argue that it helps the Terrorist/insurgency. So if people were serious about fighting the "War on Terra" this includes sheeple, freeptards, turdburglars(AKA Faux news spin heads), and even the WH then these people would be concerned about finding out "WHO" is leaking this info.

As stated above the Dems have been staying on course in the since that every time a "spin head" says something off track the Dems bring it back to outing of classified info. Which is great that is what this about, but in addition to throw it back in their faces we should be hammering out the point about these kind of shenanigans undermined your ability to fight the "War on Terra" - after all if they can use it to make their points why can't we do the same?

[electropop]

3. I think our "leaders" have gone so soft in the head that they no longer

are capable of juxtaposing 2 concepts, and therefore they are no longer capable of recognizing hypocrisy.

GOP makes big hype about how brilliant they are on security and terra.
GOP attacks our own security and anti-terror people.

This is 2 concepts at once, so our Dems can't grasp the whole thing.

[Triana]

6. I've had family who worked undercover...

...and I almost went to work for the CIA myself. This is NO small undertaking and it requires you to completely rearrange your life, change your identity, and be out of touch with friends and family for long periods of time (other than letting them know you're safe and sound so they don't worry).

And it doesn't (or it didn't when I applied) pay worth a crap, either, at least not for rookies/beginners.

Then, when your LIFE is put at risk by some ignoramuses in the gov't you're working for who OUT you for political revenge and gain, that just damned CAPS it, doesn't it?

AND they put the security of this country, our national security at grave risk as well. What REALLY irks me is that Plame's expertise was in WMD - the VERY THING that the 'war on terra' is about and the VERY thing George used as an excuse to invade Iraq.

That their outing her was for political revenge is a gross understatement. They buried her alive and ruined her career and her life, and they put our nation's security in extreme danger.

These cretins (Cheney, Libby, Rove, Rumsfeld, et al) ought to be hung from the highest legal tree and have the damned book thrown at them for violating this nation and for desecrating someone's life. They belong in PRISON - a a really NASTY prison - FOR THE REST OF THEIR NATURAL LIVES.

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7. Exactly !

here is your quote:

AND they put the security of this country, our national security at grave risk as well. What REALLY irks me is that Plame's expertise was in WMD - the VERY THING that the 'war on terra' is about and the VERY thing George used as an excuse to invade Iraq.

this is what has to be hammered!

[RayOfHope]

4. if one is actually serious about fighting a War On Terra, yes

but if you're bushco and it's all a big charade to keep stupid people cowering in fear, then it's no big deal (to them).

[KansDem]

9. Astute observation...

I don't believe that its a coincidence that "terrorism" reared its ugly head just 4 years after the fall of communism, symbolized by the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. A "boogieman," any boogieman, was required to keep the people scared and willing to tolerate bloated defense-industry spending. Let's face it, who benefits from a "boogieman?" Military-industrial complex, energy corporations, and connected families, ie Bush Family, Saudi Royal Family, etc.

I haven't done too much research, but would surmise that a similar "boogieman" existed before communism: the anarchists. Between the world wars, didn't anarchism scare people? I wonder. It seems that the rise of 20th-century American corporate strength and influence required "boogiemen" to frighten the American people into surrendering its monies and civil liberties. Anyway, I don't think the "anti-terrorist" power elite really cares about fighting and defeating terrorism as long as there's a buck to be made.

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5. People this is what I am saying. Whenever we run into someone

trying to spin this we have to hammer the obvious "Outing CIA people very BAD" but in addition is to ask how this helps the "War on Terra" as stated above in my original post with bad spelling.


I know the Blogosphere is a powerful place to raise talking points that have a way of percolating up.:think: I have heard the blogosphere referenced more and more in the MSM. Lets make this an additional talking point so that people on up the chain can hear it and use it.

there is no amount of spin that can counter this argument for any American any where.

[H2O Man]

8. You can't.

This being one reason they might have exposed Plame & B.J.

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10. Well shouldn't the congressional leaders(Democrats) start making

their arguement this:

"This leak investigation/scandal is about National Security, this is the highest form of treason and when you out your special agents how is that supposed to help the war on terror, if anything this underminds all of the work of our soldiers overseas and helps the terrorsits/insurgency?"

I am curious to see what type of response this would get because no one and repeat no could let this arguement fall because fighting the war on terror is all that we have heard for the past 4+ years.

[TahitiNut]

11. It's a "War Of Terror" (not a "War On Terror")

That anyone buys into the enormous hypocrisy of this cabal for even a second is disgusting. "Might Makes Right" and "Shock And Awe" are the Viagra mottos of the malicious predators in the White House.

Make NO mistake ... this is not just foreign policy; it's their domestic policy as well!

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12. Kicking for night crowd to mull over.

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