Guess what? -- WP now says Rove is not out if danger by a LONG shot!

[Bumblebee]

But two legal sources intimately familiar with Fitzgerald's tactics in this inquiry said they believe Rove remains in significant danger. They described Fitzgerald as being relentlessly thorough but also conservative throughout this prosecution -- and his willingness to consider Rove's eleventh-hour pleading of a memory lapse is merely a sign of Fitzgerald's caution.

The two legal sources point to what they consider Fitzgerald's careful decision not to charge Libby with the leak of a covert agent's identity, given that the prosecutor had amassed considerable evidence that Libby gave classified information, which he knew from his job should not be made public, to reporters. Another prosecutor might have stretched to make a leak charge, on the theory that a jury would believe, based on other actions, that Libby acted with bad intentions.

Another warning sign for Rove was in the phrasing of Friday's indictment of Libby. Fitzgerald referred to Rove in those charging papers as a senior White House official and dubbed him "Official A." In prosecutorial parlance, this kind of awkward pseudonym is often used for individuals who have not been indicted in a case but still face a significant chance of being charged. No other official in the investigation carries such an identifier.

//www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/30/AR2005103000348.html

[tuvor]

1. Libby does not exist in a political vacuum.

This thing is not over by a long shot.

[enigmatic]

10. no, it's not

despite what anybody here wants to believe; it's just getting started..

[deadparrot]

2. That's very well put.

Here's to a Rove indictment. :toast:

[Quixote1818]

3. Is Fitzmas back again then?

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[CoffeeCat]

7. Yes--I think last Friday was Fitzgroundhog's Day...

...he came out, saw his shadow and told us what he saw. Now, he's going to retreat for a while and when returns---it will Fitzmas for everybody!

[MADem]

20. Or FITZGIVING, which comes before FITZMAS or Patrickkah n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

65. Do we have to wait for Fitzipendence day? n/t

[LittleClarkie]

78. Or maybe it was just the first day of the 12 days of Fitzmas

maybe.

[0007]

79. ....or Fitzter with the resurrection of the truth and the frog march

of this crime cabal.

[mamalone]

80. Hey! Autism Awareness!!

I have one of those ribbons on my car:-)

[lumberjack_jeff]

81. Welcome to the club!

:D

[mamalone]

82. Thanks!

Hey here's something weird....my Autism Awareness ribbon keeps getting stolen off my car. What the heck is up with that?? Hey, maybe Autism is the new cool:hippie:


:pals:

[lumberjack_jeff]

84. I think my autistic kid is cool...

but I think I may be biased.

:hug:

We bought a bunch of extra armbands from ASA because all his big brothers friends want 'em.

[cdeca2005]

8. maybe it is like Hanukka...

maybe it is like Hanukka...(gentile spelling????) 12 days of presents.

[jenmito]

29. ...or like a Bar Fitzma n/t

[SharonRB]

56. LOL -- Welcome to DU, jenmito

That's the first time I've heard anyone say Bar Fitzma. That's perfect -- celebration and lots of presents. Instead of celebrating Libby becoming a man, we can celebrate him (and any future indictees) becoming a felon.

[jenmito]

62. Thanks, Sharon!

I thought of it all by myself, too! :D You're right. And I hope Rove gets HIS bar Fitzma REALLY soon!

[Clark2008]

66. Welcome to DU, Jenmito.

Good choice of avatars you have there.

:hi:

[jenmito]

83. Thanks, Clark!

I agree. ;)

[SharonRB]

69. You and me and almost 80,000 other DUers!

[NYC Liberal]

75. And...it has eight days! We've only been thru one day...we still have 7 le

I like it :)

[mr_hat]

57. Or a Britz. Nah...

[SharonRB]

70. Let's not go there.

[newyawker99]

55. Hi cdeca2005!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[okieinpain]

41. yes, but I'm hoping it gets hot about the end of august, just in

time for those nov elections.

[NNN0LHI]

4. Que up the music from Jaws n/t

[Tatiana]

9. Or "Cops." LOL! So many criminal bad boys, so little time... n/t

[Roland99]

11. "Pig boy, Pig boy. Whatcha gonna do?"

"Whatcha gonna go when Fitz comin' for you?"

[rainbow4321]

31. Here ya go..

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/gops.html

[Tatiana]

34. HILARIOUS!!!! Thanks! n/t

[kestrel91316]

13. Oh, that 's SO perfect!!!!!!!

[NNN0LHI]

14. deleted by original poster

[CoffeeCat]

5. This is the best news I've heard all day...

Thanks for posting this.

The thought of these arrogant thugs getting away with their crimes is not only disheartening, it's downright dangerous.

These ghouls have caused so much damage to this country and to others. Can you imagine the sick ploys in which they would engage if they got away with these crimes? They would think that they were invincible.

It's really frightening to think of that. So, I won't.

I'll hand on to these tidbits of good news and think positive.

[AX10]

6. Wonderful News!

:bounce:

[niyad]

12. and we all need to remember that fitz said he wasn't finished yet.

[Marie26]

15. Why didn't he charge Libby with the leak?

I still don't get why Libby wasn't charged w/leaking classified info. Fitzgerald tried to explain it, but the explanation seems a little weak to me. He said they couldn't find "intent" because Libby had lied under oath. But wouldn't most criminals lie about what they did? Based on this reasoning, you could never charge someone with murder unless they admitted that they did it. Even if Libby lied, there's other circumstantial evidence that could show he knew info was classified (The "secret" label on the State Dept. memo, telling aides not to talk about her w/reporters). Isn't this enough? He doesn't need to prove it now, just find "probable cause" of a crime. It seems like the evidence was enough to bring that charge.

[Richard Steele]

22. I am not entirely clear on that either.

But Mr. Fitzpatrick is the expert, so I have to trust
that he knows what he's doing.
And, it may have to do with some other charges
coming down the pike...
Karl is still waiting for that other shoe to drop.

So I just keep hope alive for the future.

[Marie26]

26. I guess that's where I am too.

I don't understand, but I trust Fitzpatrick. (Love your pic!)

[Richard Steele]

49. Thanks for the love (for my pic)

Feel free to use it as you wish;
I distribute my PhotoShop projects as a free public service.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. Maybe he's going to

give Libby a second chance to come clean with all he knows since he knows that he could spend the next thirty years in jail and Libby has young children. Hopefully Libby's wife is really giving him a lecture and will come clean and corporate.

[bettyellen]

28. i thought it was because he's saving the leak charge for someone higher

that he just charged libby to get leverage and get more on cheney and rove.

[DoYouEverWonder]

50. A couple of reasons

First, Libby is a big fish but not the biggest. The charges in the indictment are very serious, carry 30 years of jail time and in this case are going to be easier to prove. Plus it allowed Fitzgerald to keep his cards close to his chest at the same time putting pressure on everyone else involved in the case. Libby's indictment on Friday sent a loud and clear message to everyone else involved that Fitzgerald is serious, he will bring charges and he doesn't blink at the idea of putting high government officials in jail.

Second, Fitzgerald probably wants to avoid prosecuting the leak itself if he can put you in jail for something less 'sensitive'. A trial in open court involving the CIA and State secrets is going to be very problematic from a national security POV. Best not to go there unless it's absolutely necessary.

[lovuian]

16. Ya he acts like it but I think he is right in the middle of the

conspiracy and will be charged soon!!!

[texpatriot2004]

17. Rethugs are counting Rover's chickens before they hatch. He is

so NOT in the clear.

[jenmito]

30. "New Orleans dodged a bullet..."

until the levees were breached.

[Bumblebee]

18. I still think there is a good chance a sealed indictment was filed on

Friday against Rove since Rove does not have to be notified of that and it gives F. a chance to "bank" it and also withdraw it if he feels he should. I thought so from the very beginning but then got unsure by all the accounts of how R was safe...

[Quixote1818]

19. Based on the e-mail exchange defense this is based on Rove is toast

Everyone who looked at it here on DU was scratching his/her head and wondering what the hell Fitzgerald was thinking.


So I am wondering if Fitz is going to hold the GJ over for another week or two?

[WiseButAngrySara]

33. The GJ deadline has been reached. He'll have to get a new one is

my meager understanding of it. He did not request an extension for this current GJ.

[DoYouEverWonder]

51. He doesn't need to seat a new grand jury

he can go to any grand jury in DC that is currently seated. He just can't go back to the one he's had for the last two years because their term expired on Friday and he did not extend it again.

[WiseButAngrySara]

59. Thanks! ....n/t

[Zen Democrat]

21. I like this paragraph in the WaPo story:

Another warning sign for Rove was in the phrasing of Friday's indictment of Libby. Fitzgerald referred to Rove in those charging papers as a senior White House official and dubbed him "Official A." In prosecutorial parlance, this kind of awkward pseudonym is often used for individuals who have not been indicted in a case but still face a significant chance of being charged. No other official in the investigation carries such an identifier.

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Robert Novak

He started it all when he outed Ms. Plame in his article dated July 14, 2003 - http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/robertnovak/2003/07/14/160881.html

Was it ever said who's Novak's contact was? Was it Rove?

[Bumblebee]

24. Yes, one of the two was Rove

[stevebreeze]

25. In IL there was a long pause between the arrest of underlings and the Gov

It took a while for Fitzgerald to leverage enough pressure on Fawell, the governor's chief of staff,to turn over on Gov Ryan. The trial has been under way for 5 weeks now. Ryan served out his term 3 years ago. Many of the crimes happened before his four year term as gov.

Be patient.

[wrate]

77. Very interesting post because it shows us what Fitz's MO is. Thanks! n/t

[Justice Is Comin]

27. Didn't it register with anyone

that Rove's lawyer issued a written statement just before the information papers were given to the press that "Rove was still under investigation?" Do you think he would have done that in a million years if the pie just hadn't got to the fan yet?

HE-L-Lloooooo.

[sundancekid]

44. you got it ... Justice Is Comin ... Hell NO, Luskin wouldn't have issued

that statement ... I'm right there on your wavelength too.

PeaEss: love your moniker and hope it's part of Karmageddon on busheviks

[Peace Patriot]

48. Now there's a word! Karmageddon! Kudos to you, sundancekid!

I thought "the Perfect Storm" was good. This is better.

[Catrina]

45. True, but if you really think about the

crime Fitzgerald is investigating, Rove is not really all that important.

Remember what Fitz said about why he indicted Libby. That Libby had tried to create the impression that he was at the end of the leak chain when in fact he was at the beginning. Meaning, Libby had the means (security clearance and therefore access to the information) to be a prime target as the, or one of the actual leakers. Rove did not. He could not be charged as a leaker, because he was not in a position to know or get the necessary information.

He was in a position to receive it and pass it on. This is just a guess, but I don't think Rove was a target of Fitzgerald's, for the underlying crime. But he could have been, like Hannah and Wurmser, or Novak, witnesses to a crime. If any one of them were willing to help Fitzgerald prove his case against the real leakers, ie, Cheney, Bush and maybe Libby he would make a deal with them, and he obviously did with Wurmser, Hannah and Novak.

Each of them could have been charged with less serious crimes I think, like 'conspiracy' and maybe that's what he threatened them with to get their cooperation, or obstruction of justice if they refused to cooperate.

But Rove was more valuable, having more access to the real suspects. And he lied, we know that. Once he lied, Fitzgerald had enough to threaten him with. I think he also could charge him with obstruction, maybe conspiracy, but NOT with being the leaker, just my opinion.

While it would be great to get Rove out of politics, he's really only a political hack. He's not a neocon as Libby is.

This is just my opinion, but I think Fitzgerald really isn't interested in putting Rove away, what he wants from Rove is the proof he can't get from anyone else, that either Bush or Cheney or both, actually gave instructions to him or Libby to out Valerie Plame. If he could get that from Rove (the most likely person to know) he could prove his case.

So, once the word went out that since Rove had not cooperated, he was going to be indicted for what he could be indicted for, perjury, obstruction etc., Rove panicked. I think that's why there were those meetings last week. I also think (again, just my opinion) that it wasn't Levine's nebulous e-mail that gave Fitz 'pause' but maybe Rove decided to talk about what he knows, and gave him info on Cheney which he wants to check out ~ I doubt Rove would cave on Bush.

And that made me wonder who told Fitzgerald about the notes Libby had on the meeting with Cheney where Cheney got the info on Valerie Plame? And when he got that info. It could have been Wurmser, who I think was at that meeting.

Don't know if that makes sense, but all along, people who know more about this case than I do, have said that we should not be concentrating on Rove. He's not that important, except as a witness. If Fitzpatrick indicts Libby on the main charge of leaking (which he still could) or Cheney, then I think, I would suspect that Rove helped him do that to save himself.

Maybe that's what Libby meant when he said 'the Aspens are turning' because he knew Rove would not go down without trying to save himself. And I think, with Bush's encouragement.

If this is the scenario, then it's possible that Libby will make a deal and implicate 'the Aspens' Bush, Rove and Rice et al. I don't know, but I think of the two, Libby and Rove, Libby was definitely the best one to have indicted. He was the neocon, the ideologist who contributed so much to the war and all the neocon policies, the Patriot Act etc. I doubt Rove really cares much about policy, his job is to protect Bush. I suppose we'll have wait and see ~

[Jane Austin]

47. This part hasn't gotten much press, but in the NYTimes article

last week that said it was Cheney who outed Plame to Libby, the article said that Libby's notes were on a hard drive that was turned over early in the investigation.

Libby thought he had scrubbed the hard drive, but Fitzgerald's people restored all the info on it.

Fitz has known - - and has had the proof - - that Libby was lying since the earliest days of the investigation.

[Marie26]

64. So what's he been doing for two years? Why did he need Miller's test.? n/t

[Jane Austin]

67. Two different subjects. Completely.

The erased hard drive had the information about Cheney being the first to out Plame to Libby.

Judy Miller needed to be deposed concerning whether she told him or he told her that Plame was a spy.

She also need to admit to the June meeting that Libby hadn't told the grand jury about.

This case is very simple in terms of right and wrong, but it's not simple in terms of the number of people involved in this web and the number of counts in the indictment.

It really is worth it to spend the time reading the indictment and the transcript of Fitzgerald's press conference in order to understand what the several issues are.

[Marie26]

68. Unanswered questions

I have read the indictment & aaw the conference. Fitzgerald had proof from the beginning that: Libby lied about who gave him the name (Cheney), Libby lied about his conversation with Tim Russert, & lied about confirming Plame's identity to Matthew Cooper. That's a lot, and already confirmed by the testimony he got from other journalists. He could have made an indictment right then for perjury & obstruction of justice based on the info he had. But he investigated for two years - widened the scope of the investigation, got Miller's testimony, asked for the Italian forgery investigation - only to end up with the same charge. Something doesn't add up to me. Why was Fitzgerald going on all these tangents? Why hasn't he revealed Novak's source (who really did the most damage)? Why didn't he indict Libby for leaking information once he did have Miller's testimony? It seems like there are a lot of threads that haven't been followed up on. But I hope that Fitzgerald is secretly tieing them all together & has some larger plan in mind.

[Jane Austin]

71. Actually, he investegated for just a few months.

Then he was stonewalled and the investigation stopped for 14 months while Miller and Cooper fought their subpoenas to the Supreme Court.

It's a right-wing talking point that Fitzgerald spent 22 months on this.

[Marie26]

74. That's not really my point

I'm wondering why he didn't (apparently) follow up on all the other leads & information he gathered during this time. Two years is a long time, and Fitzgerald doesn't seem like the type to twiddle his thumbs while he waits for Miller to talk. While I'm sure he would have preferred to wrap it up earlier, he was on this case the whole time. (Unless he went back to Chicago & suspended this case?) The grand jury was still meeting, so he had plenty of time to investigate other aspects. So it just seems like there's this huge gap in the investigation. What did he learn during this time? I just have this feeling that Fitzgerald is sitting on a huge amount of information that he hasn't yet acted on.

[Jane Austin]

76. No, he was not on this case the whole time.

He is prosecuting that whole publishing ripoff in Chicago that Conrad Black and Richard Perle are involved in.

He is also prosecuting the Illinois Governor Ryan corruption case (at least 66 indictments in that) and continues to investigate the Chicago Mayor Daley corruption case (how many indictments yet to be seen).

I believe he is beginning an investigation of the current Illinois

Governor's administration.

And those are just four high-profile and complicated Chicago cases that I happen to have heard of, me being down here in little old Elgin, Texas.

Who knows what other cases he has on the burner?

You seem to know that the Plame grand jury met regularly during that long gap, although I don't know any such thing. I kind of doubt they did if there wasn't anything new.

I would guess that Fitzgerald spent plenty of time thinking about how to handle his evidence so as to indict and convict everyone he who is culpable, and so as to avoid early pardons from bush.

Like you, I have a feeling that he may be sitting on some information that he hasn't yet acted on.

That he hasn't used it as soon as I would like him to is irrelevant.

Since he is a famously skilled prosecutor, I would imagine he will use it on a timetable that will be the most effective and not just for convenience, his or ours

[raysr]

32. On Tweety's

MSNBC special they're celebrating the fact that Rove got off!

[Peace Patriot]

53. Look, these people do so little homework, they don't have a clue what's

going on. They consult the weather in the White House, and blather. Lazy, worthless chatterboxes with a fascist agenda, and utter contempt for their audience. Don't pay them any mind.

[fizana]

35. Fitzgerald not done by a long shot

In his own words on Friday he said that Libby's perjury and obstruction prevented him from determining whether the leak was a violation of the law.

His past history (Fitzgerald's) suggests that he doesn't walk away until every stone is unturned. He used this method against Hollinger as well to get to COnrad Black. I suspect we're nowhere near done.

[Spazito]

36. Excellent point! I was unaware that it was Patrick Fitzgerald

who is the prosecutor in that case! I have been watching with fascination how it has worked through the various agencies both in Canada and the U.S. Here is a link to an article on that:

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=15893

Another case that shows how thorough and probative he is, he doesn't let go.


Edited to add: Welcome to DU! Be careful, it can be VERY addictive, lol.

[Tatiana]

37. People forget, while he was investigating the outing of Valerie Plame,

he still had a full time job as U.S. Attorney in Chicago. At one point, he was dealing with former Gov. Ryan's corruption, Mayor Daley's City Hall patronage, AND the Valerie Plame investigation.

I'm amazed he could keep it all straight.

[Spazito]

39. Yep, talk about lazer focus!

The Black/Hollinger case is another intricate one, I am thrilled that he is the prosecutor on that one as well. Black is another despicable have/have-more kind of bastard that would back stab his mother if it was to his benefit.

[fizana]

43. Thanks - actually was a regular poster

last year - over 1K posts. My ID got screwed up so I got a new one so I guess I'll have to hit 1k posts all over again.

[wryter2000]

61. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

38. I don't think it's over for him either

Either someone on Malloy's show Friday or Stephanie Miller's someone called in and made the suggestion that Fitzgerald was going to use Rove as a witness to get all the people. I found it very interesting that he also went and visited Bush's lawyer for this case. And Fitzgerald did make it clear during his press conference Friday that the case was far from over. I think Rove may be the "X" person.

[Peace Patriot]

52. Well, what he said--and which many here I think misinterpreted--is...

...that the bulk of the GJ's work was over. People seemed to think this meant that all that work amounted to was the Libby indictment--and became very down about it all. But they didn't think about sealed indictments, this open GJ situation that Fitzgerald described (he can use a new GJ), and that the investigation is still on-going, nor did they consider prosecutorial tactics, whereby the biggest discoveries come at the end--in plea deals and so on, when the pressure is maximized on the prosecution targets, minor and major.

He didn't say it was "far from over." He did say "the bulk of the work" was over. But that doesn't mean no other indictments. It just doesn't. The bulk of the work is over, and now the big breaks start coming--is how many prosecutions go.

And, for some reason, some people here didn't seem to notice that Fitzgerald did not look like a defeated man, or one who expects to be defeated, in that press conference. He seemed almost bouncy--a bit nervous at points--but overall, very self-confident, very sharp, extremely clear about what he wanted and didn't want to say, no hesitations, no meandering, no fuzzied thoughts, no evidence whatsoever of either a failed strategy or investigation, or uncertainty about it. Razer sharp.

What I suspect is that Rove gave him someone, maybe not Cheney, but someone else who is an important player, or is an important part of the puzzle--some new way for Fitzgerald to get around Libby's obstruction. Fitzgerald would have wanted nothing less, by way of bargaining with Rove. Possibly a Rove insider enemy (somebody Rove is getting back at). I've stated elsewhere today that I have a hunch it has to do with Rove claiming--and having evidence for--his being set up to take the fall; someone conspiring to get HIM to commit the outing crime, perhaps by giving him wrong advice on its legality. (I was thinking of Myers--which could be why Fitzgerald would visit Bush's attorney Friday morning; and could be why Myers withdrew from the Sup Ct nomination--or the last straw leading to withdrawal. Just wild speculation here.)

If there was in fact a conspiracy to let Rove take all the criminal risk (should it ever come out), or to misdirect him on the legality of what he was doing (to get him to do it), then Rove might have a serious grudge against a number of people, including Cheney. But you've got to figure Cheney has some serious dossier stuff on Rove (and probably on everybody else). He is a highly dangerous man. (So is Rumsfeld.) It would be safer for Rove to give Fitzgerald a path to follow to the real perps, rather than fingering them directly.

And I must say, I like the Rove as victim angle. It suits him well (that twister of all truths).

Also, a tale of Rove as victim would certainly give Fitzgerald "pause' (as reported)--a new twist to the tale, requiring serious consideration--since the Libby indictment points to a conspiracy that he can't quite nail--can't quite get hold of intent--because Libby is protecting the bigger perps. Getting evidence that someone deliberately misled Rove, or set him up, would put him within steps of the conspiracy--just a few questions away. WHY they outed Plame is his investigative question--was it malicious? was it reckless? was it an intentional subversion of national security? If someone set up Rove in this way, on the legality, then that shows consciousness of the crime, and malice, and probably coordination. (--he will then have to get into the Niger forgeries to find out about intentional subversion).

I said above that Libby is protecting the bigger perps, but that is not what the indictment says, exactly, nor what Fitzgerald said in the press conference. What he said is that he could not get at LIBBY's intent because Libby obstructed him (misled him, lied to him). But he has that item about Cheney sitting there in the indictment, with no indictment as yet of Cheney (that Cheney is the one who ID'd Plame to Libby). So I think that it is CHENEY's intent that he is really after, and that what Libby is obstructing him on is Cheney's intent (not Libby's own intent). But he can't say that in the indictment, nor to the public. And if that's what he needs, and is after, then Rove coming up with someone who misdirected Rove on the legality, at Cheney's behest, would be an almost perfect fit. It isn't Cheney saying to Libby, "Get Wilson--by blowing her CIA cover!," but it's the next best thing ("Get Rove to do it for us, and tell him her status is unclear, and as long as he doesn't know it, he's not breaking the law.") (--or something like that.)

There IS evidence (in Wilson's book) that Rove blew up at (I think it was) Libby over this, their putting him out there to take the blame. And Rove wasn't in the national security loop, and isn't a lawyer, so possibly didn't know it was illegal, and consulted someone. (I'm wondering if that wasn't the purpose of that email Rove's lawyer released Friday--to show that Rove wasn't worried about the legality--it wasn't on his mind as a big deal, meaning, the bigger perps had LED HIM TO BELIEVE it wasn't a big deal. The email thing is still kind of weird, but this is the first idea I've had about it that makes some sense.)

[DemReadingDU]

54. quite interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts

Rove as a victim, very interesting

[antonialee839]

42. We know Fitzgerald despises being lied to.

Karl Rove has made a career out of lying and being a sneak.
He's probably toast.

[fooj]

46. That rat bastard has too much bad karma to get let off the hook...

I'm convinced of it.

Peace.

[johnnyrocket]

58. He called Rove "Official A"! That's Fitz's MO!!

I think he's closing in on him, Fritz is just careful and methodical. Plus, he's obviously getting TONS of pressure from the WH to keep off! I wouldn't be surprised if Rove had something on Fritz, or even threatened him.

Rove is pure evil, and extremely dangerous. He won't be taken down by amateurs.

[wryter2000]

60. I thought that was significant

dubbed him "Official A." In prosecutorial parlance, this kind of awkward pseudonym is often used for individuals who have not been indicted in a case but still face a significant chance of being charged. No other official in the investigation carries such an identifier.

Everyone else was identified by their job position, including "the Vice President."

[faithnotgreed]

63. but jeffrey toobin (cnn) said this is over and fitzgerald is only

"mopping up" the inquiry

those were his words on friday
i thought it pretty funny and then even more so because this was the message from cnn while at the same time msnbc had a lawyer on who was saying just the opposite

on edit: toobin said this after the press conference on friday
sheesh

[Freedom_from_Chains]

72. I think Rove has already cut a deal to save his sorry ass. n/t

[Burried News]

73. Let the Vorpal Sword of Justice make him a snicker snack for

my friend the hammer.