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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:23 PM
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Why the Dems win BIG if the WH leakers are NOT revealed ..
Edited on Sun Oct-12-03 12:25 PM by TruthIsAll
Because then the smell of coverup will be unending along with the assumption that Bush is fully responsible. He will pay for this every day until the election.

This would be much better than blaming it on Cheney et al and having the affair just blow over..
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:25 PM
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1. I agree....
I think it will be an issue if it is not pursued....
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:26 PM
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2. True
Which is why, if at all possible, they will find someone lower on the chain of command to hang it on.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:29 PM
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7. a scapegoat
to send into the wllderness

Thatis what they will find
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:02 PM
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15. Question
If they do find a low-level scapegoat and punish him/her, at that point will we be able to ask Novak if he/she is indeed the leaker? Assuming the CIA knows who the real leaker is, if Novak lies in his answer (which he will to protect Cheney/Rove/etc), then can he be charged with a crime?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:27 PM
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3. Hopefully, it's a can't lose situation.
But give the media 13 months and...:shrug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:27 PM
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4. I've thought the same thing...that it is a win win situation
because If they don't find them which they have been "hinting at" ..it just shows that there is a Traitor in the bush white house and we should just Oust all of them to make sure they're All Gone! :kick:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:28 PM
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5. Leak
It is our responsibility to keep the pressure on because the press and the DOJ will let this die away if we let it.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:29 PM
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6. I don't think this will go away...
If the DoJ cannot crack it the CIA will keep pushing it and eventually a special investigator will have to be named.

Remember the mission creep under Starr, if a SI were assigned, just think of what he could start to sniff out if he got his nose under the covers.

Well, I can dream, can't I?
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:30 PM
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8. is that the Dem strategy
pray that the other guys fuck up?
And what exactly will they "win?"
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:52 PM
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12. No, we hope for the repubs to be wildly successful in creating a fascist s
WTF? We hopefully "win" an opportunity to undo the damage and restore democracy to America.
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:39 PM
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23. But what is the point?
The Repugs have already screwed up, but the Dems are not pushing the point. Are they waiting to screw up againe?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:32 PM
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9. Yup
While I'd love to deprive Whistle Ass of Rove's "talents," I think having the issue not go away works best for us. That way, it's never yesterday's news.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:35 PM
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10. ah, appealing to the court of public opinion over federal court?
it won't work.

you need the visuals of actual defendents faces, asked questions by reporters or courts or congressional commeittes to have an impacting pyschic image imbedded in the consciousness of the masses.


"alleged" unknown leaks can be dismissed a lot easier than what is happening now with the GOP mouthpieces, where they are saying that bush did not call iraq an "immenent" threat, yet people are beginning to buy the bushevik narrative on this.

dont overestimate the intelligence of the american people, or their attention span.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:49 PM
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11. that's a lame-ass rationalization for letting them get away with it
I'm tired of the Dems using these pussy-ass arguments for doing nothing, for being "nice" and all that kind of shit.

We need to go after these guys with everything we can find.

These people are criminal and need to go to jail.

I don't want to just vote them out of office. I want them out of comission. I want them in jail. They are criminals, they are dangerous, and they need to be put away for a long long time
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:53 PM
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13. Because it shows America has No Justice and Traitors abound
:bounce:
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jbfam4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:58 PM
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14. What are the chances
that Bush will have a "Bring them on " attitude and find out who leaked? Then he becomes a hero. I know so far he hasn't found the anthrax mailer, Binladen, Saddam or the WMD's so chances are slim that he will find the leaker.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:15 PM
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17. There's the angle!
He can't find anything! (Bin Laden, Saddam, Leaker, WMD, etc.) Bush should be held up to ridicule as an incompetent boob. That would probably have more traction than the idea that he's evil, which Americans are reluctant to believe about their fearless leader.

The leak story won't have legs if there is no new development, and "no news on the leaker" is not news.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:12 PM
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16. 1) This issue will probably "go away" 2) Even if it lingers, it won't help
Democrats a bit. The media is already spinning it as being no more than a partisan squabble.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:21 PM
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18. You're right, we shouldn't engage in wishful thiking
The story won't hurt Bush unless he or Cheney or maybe Rove are found to be responsible. The average Joe "I don't vote the party I vote the individual" swing voter won't hold Bush responsible unless he personally ordered or signed off on the leak. You'll even have a tough time tainting him if it's found that one of his puppet masters is behind it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:33 PM
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22. Sorry! But I say Fuck themedia! It 'sTreason! I don't care
who did it! :grr:
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woofless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:23 PM
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19. A " lower level scapegoat"
would be just as damaging. Only someone with pretty high clearance and need to know would have the name of Amb. Wilson's wife and knowlege of what she does for the agency. To foist the blame on a scapegoat who concievably does not have that level of clearance just keeps the question open, "who told him/her about it?" That is the leaker and criminal. We cannot let them just throw some poor schmuck to the wolves and wash their hands.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:32 PM
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20. Excellent Point!
:kick:
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:32 PM
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21. Dead right, this is at least a five book deal...
Edited on Sun Oct-12-03 01:33 PM by Patriot_Spear
Each one more damning than the other... Drip, drip, drip.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 01:52 PM
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24. It was Rove
at least one of the six other journalists it was leaked to told the Guardian that it was indeed Karl Rove. By not firing Rove, Bush has ratified Rove's conduct, and we can only assume approved it in advance. I hope the Wilson's pursue this in a civil lawsuit.
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