Memo to Freepers on Fitz Indictment: How does it feel?

[BeHereNow]

How does it feel to support a criminal administration
that sent over 2000 young Americans to their senseless
deaths, committed torture against civilians and
is responsible for the deaths of countless Iraqi civilians?

How does it feel to drive around in your monster trucks
sporting little yellow ribbons that say "Support the Troops?"
sent to war on a LIE, when you yourselves have not enlisted?

How does it feel to realize that your country
has been lied to by top officials in the administration that
YOU put into power?

I charge you all with complicity in the crimes that
will be revealed in time.

How DOES it feel?
BHN

[BeHereNow]

1. What? No responses from the lurking traitors?

That's what you are you know, TRAITORS.
If you support the traitors, you ARE a traitor to this country.
BHN

[johnfunk]

13. Merry FITZmas, FREEPTRASH! BWAHAHAHAHA!

[Burried News]

2. Spin it any way you want freepers, you aren't just nailed, you're

[BeHereNow]

3. And just WHERE are they, besides SCREWED?

Where ARE the loud mouthed hate mongers
now that it is slowly dawning onthem that WE
were right about the LIE all along?
Hmmm?
Here Freeper, Freeper, Freeper...
It's not too late to repent, because unlike YOU,
we honor integrity, truth and justice and are true Patriots.
TRAITORS REPENT.
BHN

[joe_sixpack]

55. Who are you expecting to answer?

They're not allowed to post here, are they?

[C_U_L8R]

4. You're either with us or....

you're with the crooks and cronies.

Freeps.. it's never too late to repent and change your ways.

[BeHereNow]

6. That's what I am saying- HOWEVER

Because they will not admit they were wrong,
I hold firm on my charge that the IGNORANCE
and ARROGANCE of the Amerikkkkan sheeple is EXACTLY the
how and why of how these CRIMINALS were allowed to steal and destroy
America the Beautiful and send so many of our young people to
their NEEDLESS deaths.
I repeat, the Bush/Cheney supporters are
TRAITORS to the United States of America.
BHN

[C_U_L8R]

9. Agree

Maybe the Born Agains need to be Born Again.

Like some sort of karmic makeover.

Born Again Agains ???

[Dave Reynolds]

37. I think to be born again twice,

they first need to be retroactively aborted.

[benddem]

5. they are still

in deep denial. The Daou report on Salon.com has exerpts from wingnut blogs and they still don't think a crime was committed. It wasn't a lie about a blow job....IOKIYAR

[WritingIsMyReligion]

7. How ARE things over at FR?

Could I get a postcard, trolls?? Just watch out that you don't shit on it.

;) ;)

[Name removed]

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[C_U_L8R]

10. Thanks for posting

You seem like an enlightened freeper :-)

[ronnykmarshall]

11. I give you props for responding.

But what I can't understand is that you claim to "not bash homosexuality" yet YOU support people like Bush that does just that.

Interesting.

I admire your stand as being Pro-life and Pro-Choice. Your party needs more people that think like you do.

FYI - as far as the undies I got for Fitzmas .... I LOVE em. And baby I look goooooood in them babies too!

[BeHereNow]

12. I commend you for your honesty! Welcome to DU!

You and I have more in common than you think.
And THAT is why the talking heads and propogandists
WANT us divided.
I thoroughly support and respect the TRUE Republican party-
the TWO party system of our great republic and democracy.
However, you party has been highjacked by CORPORATISTS
as has MINE. I see little difference in our party representatives
at this point with VERY few exceptions.
Corporatism is more accurately been defined as FASCISM.
As a fellow American, I know you and I agree that
this is NOT acceptable.
Again, I commend you for speaking out and encourage
you to stay and find fellow citizens capable of
intelligent debate and discussion here on DU.
It is IMPERATIVE in my mind that Americans on
both sides of the aisle unite and take back our country!
BHN

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[BeHereNow]

17. Again, I WELCOME you to DU-

It is way past the time that we begin to
engage in discussion and debate.
I DO NOT endorse black and white divisions
among us.
I believe that we agree on MANY things
as far as the future of OUR country and
that BOTH Republican and Democratic representatives
need SERIOUS scrutiny from us all.
My apologies for any DUers who do not grasp this concept
and attack you, hopefully, you can rise above
them and continue to participate in our DEMOCRATIC
forum. If it truly IS a democratic discussion, you should be welcome here.

We are ALL americans and the beauty of our founding
is that discussion and debate was ENCOURAGED.
It is my personal feeling that we MUST unite NOW
or we will ALL lose the country we love.
BHN

[Burried News]

15. Welcome to DU.

Enjoyed the underwear - please send more.

[Name removed]

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[BeHereNow]

18. Believe it or not- there are many

Wonderful and humorous people here.
I sincerely hope you stick around as you clearly
are humorous too.
DU hug to the only Republican I have
met courageous enough to discuss and debate
intelligently here on DU! (LOVE that!)
It's OUR country!
:hug: BHN

[RagAss]

20. Thanks for the post....

You mentioned that the OP title was about the indictment, but the text reflected the "usual rhetoric about the war".....you sound intelligent, so I am sure you realize that this is the fundamental difference between our disparate views. You see, we can't separate the Lies from the Blood....and we never will.

[txindy]

22. Underwear? Not hardly.

I got a long line of dominoes. The first one was named today by Patrick Fitzgerald. It turns out to be "Libby." Fitz promptly knocked it down and started a looooooooong chain reaction of falling dominoes. They'll end with the jailing of the current occupants of the WH and complete destruction of the repub party.

Gotta love them dominoes.

[hiaasenrocks]

23. Question:

You asked:

Do you realize that very few people know who Karl Rove is, and even fewer know who Scooter Libby is?

Do you realize that very few people knew who Gordon Liddy and Howard Hunt were?

The right-wing talking point about Libby's relative anonymity is irrelevant.

[txindy]

26. It's just cognitive dissonance.

Not that freeptards can even spell "cognitive dissonance." They are incapable of understanding why the entire world hates the lying criminals who faked the 'intelligence' for an illegal war, killed tens of thousands of innocent people (including our own brave troops), destroyed our country's reputation, gutted our economic well-being for many years to come, and savaged our environment forever. They're still trying to learn how to spell the pResident's last name. It's hard work, dontchaknow?

[CANDO]

25. Welcome trheel!

I'm not aware of anyone on the left defending Clinton's pardoning of Marc Rich. You may not be realize this, but we on the left have never stood and defended Clinton blindly. Hardly anyone on the left defended him for lying under oath about his sex life, we just objected strongly to the depths to which they had plunged seeking to overturn his Presidency. It's his private sex life, and you just shouldn't go there. Impeachable offense? Hell no. Here's what I wish you would do from now on; if you need an opinion from a liberal on a given issue, find him/her and ask. Don't let the closed world of Limbaugh/Faux/Hannity/Coulter etc. speak for us in your mind. Find out for yourself by asking.

[footinmouth]

27. Welcome trheel

:hi: We're not all that bad over here. I visit your board from time to time but I'm too chicken to sign up. I know I'd get banned in about 5 minutes, no matter what I say. I hope you stick around for a while. I'm interested in talking to anyone who's not into name calling and just slinging the same lines back and forth.

[Arkana]

29. Oh, I love this.

Do you realize that very few people know who Karl Rove is, and even fewer know who Scooter Libby is?

If you believe this, you really have got problems. EVERYONE knows who Karl Rove is, and a LOT of people recognized Scooter Libby when they heard his name. Don't fool yourself.

[BeHereNow]

30. I disagree- MANY people have NO idea

who Rove is or what Scooter's history in
government is.
Not their fault- our education system and media
networks have been broken for a LONG time.
I personally know MANY self proclaimed "libruls"
who have NO idea who either of these people are.
Unfortunately, ignorance and arrogance are
not Dem or Repub traits, they are American traits.
BHN

[Arkana]

31. Nobody I know is ignorant of Rove, at least.

They may not know the name of his "official" WH position, but they know who he is.

[txindy]

32. Amazing, isn't it?

Just because they're ignorant, they automatically assume that "very few people" are not. :eyes:

Amazing. And not too bright. Considering the massive coverage this investigation is now getting and the coming avalanche of indictments, I doubt there are "very few people" left who do NOT know of KKKarl Rove and Irving Lewis Libby, Junior.

[Mutley]

34. Hi. Welcome to DU.

It's a good sign that you haven't been TS'd yet. Thank you for posting to us in a respectful way. And I also have a lot more in common with you than you may think. Stick around.

[yellowcanine]

36. Fair enough. But learn proper English usage. It is "site", not "sight"

Sight has to do with eyes and what you can do with them.
Site is a location.

[Chemical Bill]

38. I can't speak for anybody else...

but all I see in your post is bullshit. Let's look at a few things you say:

Quote:"I think NOLA city government, LA state government, FEMA, and the media - all failed before and after hurricane Katrina."

Homeland Security was in charge from the day before Katrina hit until they handed off responsibility to FEMA several days after. Why didn't Chertoff get the ax?

Quote:"I like Karl Rove.""I do not like Scooter".

This isn't about like or dislike. This is about policies which kill many, many people. If you think I am against the war because I don't like Bush then you are mistaken.

Quote:"I did not think it was okay for Bill Clinton to lie to the GJ. Why he lied ( because it was about sex or not sex) was not important to me."

Clinton never lied to the GJ. He gave an answer that was legally correct. I assume that means you like him now.

Quote:"But since many of you believe in karma - lets just say maybe its karma for defending Clinton on the Marc Rich pardon."

I believe in karma, and none of the people who have died in Iraq had anything to do with the Marc Rich pardon. I also believe you are using a straw man argument.

Quote:"Oh and your title was about the indictments, and so was my answer. Your text was the usual rhetoric about the war - Y-A-A-A-W-N"

This one is rich, so many issues. 1)The indictments are about the war. The lies were used to cover up lies about the war. 2)Does the war bore you? 3)Or does anything about the war that differs from your viewpoint bore you? Like facts? Do you like the lies? Do you like the war? Why aren't you fighting it?

Quote:"I should have read longer before posting, because I was attacked immediately. It was unrelenting and it was not debate. It was attack. My post was not even a RW statement; it was a very honest question and it was on topic."

Are you sure you know what debate entails? Frankly, from your above post, I am not sure that you do. Was your question a "loaded" question? Am I attacking you or debating you?

Bill

PS sorry I didn't give you credit for pro-life and pro-choice, and not bashing homosexuals.

[mod mom]

19. How they can support these treasonous thugs who value profit margin and

cronyism over human life, truth, and the constitution is beyond anything I can fathom. I am truly ashamed that I share the same country as these despicable creatures. To me those who support this administration are complicit to their crimes. Republicans need to do some serious soul searching (oh, thats right they have no soul-look at their reaction to New Orleans)

[Name removed]

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[BeHereNow]

24. If our "elected" officials lie and put corporate interests OVER

AMERICAN interests as is gradually being revealed
by the numerous investigations, NOT just Fitpatrick's
(check our Waxman's investigation of the Halliburton
fraudulent billing to the American taxpayer)
HOW can your brother make peace with all of it?
This administration has committed crimes against us, WE the PEOPLE.
Not just Democrats, not just Republicans, but WE, the people.
BHN

[obsqueesha]

35. I'm NOT looking forward to Thanksgiving...

...when we all get together.

[baltlib]

28. my turn

my turn to introduce myself.

age 34
independent
male
and i do not belong to FR

my response to the above question:

i dont think the whole admin is bad, yes there are parts that are bad, but every admin will have bad people in it. also if a law was broken then the people who broke it deserve what they get, and unless rove lies as far as i know he did not break any laws... he could legally tell scooter about plume.

as for the war... it may not have been based on what everyone considers good reasons but the congress voted to keep it going so both repubs and demos are to blame for it, they could have stopped it. i do believe that saddam needed to be removed from power he is a very bad man, he killed his own country man for the reason of, they fought against him. the worse part of the whole war ( still on going in my mind ) is the idiots blowing up our people and their people are no better than saddam. they are not fighting for there freedom, they are fighting so the few can control the many with out representation. also they just want to kill US citizens. we just brought our people to them, instead of them having to come to us.

as for being lied to by our .gov, that also will happen no matter who is in office. my problem with the clinton sex thing is simple, whether he did it or not is between him and his wife ( but i dont believe in cheating ) my problem is 2 fold: one where he did it as in in my mind he disrespected the whole nation he made the highest office in this country his slut chamber. two he then lied about it, at least until he found out they had proof... its simple they dont call it oral SEX for no reason.

now just so you know my points of view on other things:
i am not religious.
i do NOT believe in late term abortions, at that point unless it is a health reason do not kill a baby that could survive out side of the body.
i believe in individual rights
i do vote both parties
i am a gun owner
i do not believe the .gov nows whats best for me, if i want to drink, smoke cigarettes, eat fat, jerk off to porn, or just decide what i want ( legally ) to do is my right
i do not believe in higher taxes, the .gov should make do with what they have
i personally think if some one wants to better them selves they can do it on their own, my example is my wifes brother. he wanted to go to school, so he went and got a factory job ( making pallets ) saved what he needed to start then he got grants ( that anybody who is poor can get )
i also believe in short term welfare, i dont think you should be able to live off of it for years

okay i am done, feel free to ask me any questions you want.

also i hope i dont get banned, i would love to debate ( friendly ) some of the points i see around here, and yes i lurk

[Dave Reynolds]

39. Welcome to DU, and thank you for replying.

It makes me feel better to have a little dialogue with folks without the "lib" and "con" bullshit getting in the way.

We are all part of the same mess, you and I have some common view as far as welfare and education. I, too, own guns and do not wish to see them banned. I think our tax dollars have been squandered under all administrations.

We have a common problem, and I think it is the corporate-owned media. Our government is another problem, and we may disagree on whether THEY are corporate-owned as well.

If our sides could get past the name calling and ridicule, we stand a good chance of getting our democracy back. We need to bring the jobs back to the US, so we can end the cycle of poverty and welfare.

We need to focus on our similarities, and not our differences.

If we do that, we can take our country back from the corporate raiders.

[baltlib]

40. thank you

but it looks like the other responder got deleted, lets hope they dont delete me. i dont want to argue, i am up for discussions. lets just remain civil.

have a nice day

oh here is one you will laugh at, i took one of the polls that based your point of view, i wound up more lib than Conservative, even more than my democratic wife

[Dave Reynolds]

41. To me, liberalism is more

taking care of each other when we need it, and minding our own business otherwise.

[baltlib]

43. i agree... sort of

i believe people some times need help, but the problem is when people become 100 % dependant on it. go ahead and give them help, but do things like help them pay for school and rent, dont just give them a ride for everything. i used to know people who refused to get a job because they said they did not want to work, they said they just take what they are given. they said they dont ever want to work they just want to sit around and watch Jerry. this is in my mind wrong. and these people have nothing wrong with them except laziness.

i personally am trying to start my own electric contractor company. when i got laid off i went thru a program that paid my unemployment and i had classes to help, but now the unemployment is over so i am going at it on my own, and not asking for anything else. if it does not work i will go get a job working for another company.

oh back the the topic

if scooter broke the law he gets what he deserves, but did bush know, we will never truly know. and if he did most likely he did not break any laws telling rove, cheney, libby. why because they all had the clearance.

[Dave Reynolds]

44. The rule of law is what we are based on,

no matter who breaks it, it should be addressed.

Did Clinton get off easy (no pun intended) back then? I don't have all the details to know. I think, with Republican majorities in the house and senate, if there was something to take him down with he would have been removed from office. The votes were not there to take him down.

Will that happen with the current group? We will have to stay tuned.

And yes, temporary is the best form of welfare. I like the idea of actually putting people to work for their money.

[baltlib]

47. dave i like you

if you are ever in maryland i would love to have a coffee or other drink with you.

and the thing with clinton, no they did not have the votes needed to get him out of office, did he deserve it ... i dont think so, do i think he should have been punished in some way ... yes i do he broke the law, but as you said you dont know all of the details but neither do i

whats funny is a lot of people here dont know all of the details but they act like they do. some people think bush should go to jail for the war, but once again he is allowed to wage war, its part of his job. that is until the congress decides other wise which they have not.

[Dave Reynolds]

49. Coffee it is.

Never been to Maryland.

I miss the days when I felt like I could vote for the person, not the letter after their name. I feel like my choices have been limited to voting straight-ticket Democrat, and I was always of the opinion that straight-ticket voters were the least informed people on the planet.

[Chemical Bill]

42. If the poll says you're lib...

did you vote that way? It's fun to debate, but people are dying in Iraq, and we are losing our civil liberties, because some freeptards got fooled into voting against their interests, and I don't appreciate it.

Bill

[baltlib]

45. not always

i voted for Ehrlich ( a repub ) i voted for O'Malley ( a demo ) because i believe in what they say. i voted for bush... why because i did not like some of the things kerry had done and had said. my family is from Mass. and i have heard and seen some things kerry has done. like tax hikes.

no bush was not first choice, but i liked him better than kerry. it might be the famous thing of not being afraid of an idiot.

now technically i have broken the rules... i did not support a demo candidate, but does that make me bad or evil.... no. it makes me have free choice, which is what binds us all together

[FogerRox]

48. Batlib- welcome to DU.

I can assure you that my friends and I will do everything possible to see the Bush CRIME FAMILY tried and convicted for their crimes. I think we have a good case. Based on the rule of law.

I believe that Bush will not finish out his term- because Bush and his people have violated more laws than any Administration ever.

Batlib- have you read "American Dynasty" by Kevin Phillips- Phillips worked for Nixon.
If there is one book to read about the Bush Crime Family, this is the one. Its quite popular and should be in your local library.

[baltlib]

51. well

whether bush goes to jail is according to the congress. the pres of the US is basically above reproach except in a few things. if he is under oath and lies ( ala clinton ) commits treason ( you may think he did ) kills people unlawfully ( and not during war ), and whether you believe in it or not the pres of the US has the power to wage war, and never in the history of the US has a pres been responsible for that nor do i think constitutionally they can be found guilty.

now for the discussion part, foger rox please post some crimes you think bush committed and i will see if i under stand your point, but you have to be willing to try to understand my point. but lets leave the war out of this for the reasons i stated above.

i will bring up one point... the hurricans... i think all of the .gov from the local cops in new orleans all the way up to the fed .gov dropped the ball. personally i can say i have 20 family members displaced from NO right now. they all also got out, including one 80 YO great aunt how got a ride with a neighbor.

[newyawker99]

54. Hi baltlib!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[the_spectator]

33. Cue Music!

How does it FEE-EE-ul
(na na, na)
To have caused such pain
(na na, na)
With your own votes to blame
(na na, na)
Like a blind man insane
(na na, na)
Like a crying shame?
(na na, na)
How does it FEE-EE-ul!

[BeHereNow]

46. Okay, I am now officially BUMMED.

I see that the poster who was brave enough
to come forward for discussion and debate was
deleted from this thread.
DEMOCRATIC Underground?
No discussion, no debate are the tactics '
of the neocons.
Did the poster break a rule?
If not, then I protest the disappearance
in the name of DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM.
Isn't that we are ALL standing for?
BHN

[Dave Reynolds]

50. There is another here,

baltlib is discussing things nicely.

I hope he gets to stick around.

[Blackthorn]

52. Here's the Freeper thead...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1510996/posts

Some choice cuts. I want what they're smoking/inhaling/injecting/taking rectally.

[Dave Reynolds]

53. This is amazing:

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To: PISANO
no indictment for an actual crime. talk radio will be all over this.



13 posted on 10/28/2005 9:47:37 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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I guess these days there are indictments handed down without crime?