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ByeDick Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 10:35 AM
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The Name DICK CHENEY Finally Being Mentioned In Leak Investigation

Today's Washington Post finally sets the stage for Cheney to be publicly dragged into the White House leak scandal:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13696-2003Oct11.html

We need to realize that EVERYTHING Bush, Novak, and McClellan are SAYING is absolutely true. But everything they're TELLING US is a lie. We have to remember to listen carefully to the exact words.

Novak originally said that the information about Wilson's wife came from, "two senior administration officials." THIS IS TRUE.

Novak also says that, "Nobody in the Bush administration called me to leak this." THIS IS ALSO TRUE.

There is ONE MAN in the world who is BOTH a senior administration official, and does not release information from the administration (from the White House).

There is ONE MAN in the world who is BOTH a senior administration official, and is not technically a member of the administration.

There is ONE MAN in the world who invested his reputation and resources to the Niger yellowcake story, more than any other.

There was ONE MAN in the world who knew of Wilson's trip to Niger as well as he knew about the identity of Wilson's wife.

There was ONE MAN who Novak would have contacted before any other.

THE MAN'S NAME IS **DICK CHENEY**.

The yellowcake story was Cheney's baby.

Joseph Wilson killed Dick Cheney's baby.

Remember, in his July 6 article, "What I Didn't Find In Africa," Joe Wilson indicated that,

"In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report." "...The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office."

So in writing a piece in response to Wilson's article, the first call Novak made was OBVIOUSLY to Cheney's office. Novak openly admits to the call he made to the CIA, but he does not say ANYTHING about the call to Cheney. Think about it…Who would you call if you read the article referenced above and wanted to write about it?

So, when Scott McClellan talks about how "ridiculous" it is that the leak could have come out of Karl Rove, it's because he knows this statement to be true. Rove IS NOT the one who ORIGINALLY released this information. There is no way this could have been the case because there's really no scenario that would explain how Rove could legitimately be in possession of this information. But Rove is a part of the conspiracy, all the same.

The plan was for Cheney & Novak to make the info about Wilson's wife "common knowledge around Washington." That was the first wave of the attack. The second wave was initiated when Cheney told Rove that he (Cheney or his office) had put Wilson's wife's identity in print, and that she, and her identity, were now, "FAIR GAME." Rove, or people working with Rove, then made the FAIR GAME phone calls to the media, knowing that Cheney & Novak had laid the groundwork to cover their asses (legally) by making the secret information, "common knowledge around Washington."

The White House is trying to convince us that the Novak disclosure and the "FAIR GAME" phone calls were taking place as one continuous event, but they were not. The Novak crimes (disclosures) were designed to set up the FAIR GAME phone calls from Rove. This was a two-point plan. Novak is working with the White House on this. He is knowingly trying to mislead any would-be investigations and may eventually go down for this obvious obstruction (at least).

Scott McClellan completed the second wave on October first (10/01/03). When asked to make a distinction between disclosing the identity of a covert CIA operative and discussing it after it is published, McClellan said, "That is such a broad question, about is it okay to discuss news articles," he said. "I mean, news articles are discussed all the time."

So, is there one top-level White House official whose email, phone records, etc. ARE NOT being protected by orders of the Justice Department? Is there one top-level White House official who does not work in the White House and whose staff is not under evidence protection orders or legal scrutiny? Is Cheney watching and laughing?

By all accounts, Dick Cheney's staff in the Old Executive Office Building, or at Number One Observatory Circle, have not been asked to supply or preserve documents related to the Wilson scandal.

When they (McClellan & co.) say, "White House," they're actually saying, "THE PLACE WHERE CHENEY IS NOT." Notice how often they use the terminology "White House." And when Novak uses the word "identity," in talking about Valerie Plame, he's not talking about her job at the CIA, he's talking about her "identity" as Wilson's wife. It's a word game. The words are true; the message is a lie.

LISTEN TO THE WORDS THEY USE.

This post will continue to be developed and reposted.



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screaming_meme Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 10:38 AM
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1. Never trust anyone over $30 million net worth
Bye bye Halliburton
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 10:45 AM
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2. Good stuff, Byedick, thanks for pulling that together
I agree about the true lies they tell, but they have crossed over to

outright lies when they are sure they can get away with it.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 10:52 AM
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3. Great post..
Thanks for putting this together in such a coherent manner. It's a great piece of writing.

And they made a big deal out of Clinton's "it depends on what is is." Liars and hypocrits all.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 06:18 PM
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26. agreed, this is great!
and needs to be seen...
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:12 AM
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4. I've thought this all
along. Scooter Libby and Novack seem to be big buds. Scooter Libby was on Hardball talking about Wilson, "drinking tea" in Niger shortly after this report came out. It was about a week after the initial report came out in July. Nobody sat up and took note. It was brushed under the carpet.

This thing stinks to high heavens. There is so much that has yet to be uncovered.

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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:19 AM
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5. You're the man, ByeDick!!!
:kick:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:19 AM
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6. Great analysis. This is precisely why we study the use of
Edited on Sun Oct-12-03 11:20 AM by blondeatlast
English, even though it is our native tongue. Very impressive analysis, thanks.

Damn, are you in the media? The word needs to get out on this!

:wow:

Welcome to DU--haven't seen your posts before.

:toast:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:21 AM
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7. So Cheney and his staff
are not under investigation?

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ByeDick Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 02:48 PM
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21. Dick Cheney & Staff Investigation??? (Info Needed)
This is the question I have not been able to answer. (Are Dick Cheney's offices and staff under any evidence orders or requests?)

The thing to remember about Cheney is that he DOES NOT work for Bush. The vice president is elected by The People and can't be hired, fired, or otherwise administered by the president…PERIOD. That's not to say that he can't decide to do work for Bush by his own choosing.

Believe it or not, the vice president is not even a member of the executive branch of government. The vice president is a member of the legislature (president of the Senate).

Outside of being the president of the Senate, Cheney's only constitutional duty is to replace Bush when necessary.

So when the media talks about "THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF" securing documents, etc., can we make any assumptions about what's going on over at Cheney's house and in his Old Executive Office Building offices? Does the "WHITE HOUSE STAFF" work in those buildings too?

Help requested on this.

Bye Dick


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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:23 AM
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8. Interesting...
I read this exact same post on a Blog recently. If you're going to use someone's material, you should credit them for it.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:32 AM
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9. Let's hope Byedick is that same blogger then. Can you find the blog?
Sounds like a blog worth following.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:50 AM
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13. I wish I could
I spent two hours looking for it just the other day. I believe I was reading one Blog and it lead me to another Blog that had this exact same post. I'm about to leave so can't look for it now but I'll see if I can find it later this evening. I wanted to post it here after originally reading it, and give credit to the original writer. ByeDick should realize we're a very well read group.

It's an interesting theory and makes perfect sense so I'm glad ByeDick found it. But please, give people credit, where credit is due.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:31 PM
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15. Are you sure it was a blog and not previous posts here?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:33 PM
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16. Or maybe this?
A poster named Billy left the article in the comments of Brad DeLong's blog:

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/002355.html
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 07:03 PM
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29. Thank you...
That's the Blog I read it from. I'll also believe ByeDick is Billy when he emails me a confirmation from Billy's email address. :eyes:
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ByeDick Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:07 AM
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31. Enough
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 06:50 AM by ByeDick
I wrote the article and I use it as I please.

Thank you for your interest in my writing.

Good luck.

Bye Dick
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:36 AM
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10. Got a link? It's worth following, whether ByeDick plagiarized or not.
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:23 PM
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14. I remember reading this too on a blog.
I'm going to look it up.

Be careful when you quote without attribution. The words and phrasing stick in our head!



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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 04:38 PM
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24. Off topic: My son is giggling hystericallyat the penguins.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-03 04:45 PM by blondeatlast
I just thought you should knpw you've made an impact!

Edit: I think I may be on this thread all day now--he won't let me move on!
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burythehatchette Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:38 AM
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45. The little penguin thingie
is making milk come out of my nose

:7
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:38 AM
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11. Could it be that Cheney
Screwed up royally by disclosing to Novak the information about Plame, without the knowledge of Rove?

Then, as the story heated up, Rove and Cheney were forced to put their heads together and begin the cover-up. That's about when the fair game comments began, eh?.

The premise of your post is spot on. While issuing individual bits of true statements, the WH is attempting to cover-up the foundation of the story.
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 11:41 AM
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12. I saw the Cheney refference too! Thats why Cheneys speech
yesterday on that Saddam was a Bad Bad Man and premptive strikes are kewl! :bounce:


Cheney is going to be like Chains heavy and trapped in his own Web of Lies!
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 12:38 PM
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17. Found an earlier blog posting with this EXACT same text!
This same DU comment was posted as a "comment" on the J-Bradford-Delong.Net blog back on Oct 2:

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/002355.html

Posted by: Billy (fraudinspector@yahoo.com) on October 2, 2003 07:47 AM

Couple of possibilities here:

(1) ByeDick is the same person as Billy, and he's cross-posting.

(2) ByeDick is quoting Billy without attribution (shame on you ByeDick).

(3) Both ByeDick and Billy are quoting someone ELSE without attribution (shame on you both!)




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ByeDick Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 02:16 PM
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18. The Answer: ByeDick & Billy Are The Same Author

And, as indicated, this article will continue to be updated and reposted regularly.

Thanks
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 02:24 PM
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19. excellent post ByeDick!
welcome to DU! :toast:
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 02:26 PM
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20. you da man
eom
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 04:08 PM
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22. That was what I figured. Please do update us, this sounds
like one worth keeping our eye on.
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ByeDick Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 04:30 PM
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23. Recognizing This Post - For You AMAZING Info Hawks
Edited on Sun Oct-12-03 04:31 PM by ByeDick
I am amazed that some of you were able to recognize my posts across two different resources.

Since you guys are so well-read, can you give me some suggestions as to where else I can post this?

I'm not at all familiar w/ these internet communities and forums.

Bye Dick.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 05:24 PM
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25. I can not answer you but I am kicking
Because I know some DUer can!

:kick:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:07 AM
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35. You can submit it to DU or Buzzflash, for starters.
the front page of this forum publishes articles.

pm Will Pitt about other sites. He's been overseas, but he's checking in to DU.
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unpsyops Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 06:40 PM
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27. makes sense to me
I find it highly suspicious how this "leak" is being played out so publically and I dont buy it.
Cheny is under the microscope now and look how defensive he is; he's defiantly still using the original script and everyone else has moved on. The Iraq experiment has blown up in his face. I look for him to resign for "health reasons" or face presidential rebuke that will keep him off the ticket next year. The "leak" is somebody's dirty trick. Mrs. Wilson probably gave up her cloak and dagger when she became the high-profile wife of an ammbassador.
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ByeDick Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 02:49 PM
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42. Microscope or Telescope?

I think Cheney has got the LEAST attention on this (BY DESIGN).
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 06:57 PM
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28. how many times have Cheney/KKKarl rove done this nasty trick?

seems like a pattern of chopping up people's careers in DC...wonder how often they've pulled this off...pretty nasty stuff...scary...
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-03 07:55 PM
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30. great analysis
:kick:
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:33 AM
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32. Excellent!
:kick:
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 06:57 AM
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33. another
:kick:

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:05 AM
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34. excellent work!
send this to Josh Marshall at TalkingPointsMemo. He's been following this very well, and also providing insight into why Scott McClellan parses his words so carefully when anyone asks him if Plame was "given up."

Worth reading all the posts by him on his blog about this.

I hope you're right because I said, from the beginning, that I thought it was Cheney. He has the most personal motivation to go after Wilson and Plame.

Put the traitor's ass in prison. And throw Bush in there with him for aiding and abetting.

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newsjunkie Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:20 AM
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36. Great post
Edited on Mon Oct-13-03 08:20 AM by newsjunkie
I'm re-posting it on my political forum,(giving you due credit for the writing of course)Please visit us whenever you can...we are trying to connect the dots,and always need good writers. We love DU!

http://forums.delphiforums.com/connectdots/messages/?msg=1914.1
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 09:08 AM
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37. kick
keeping this on page 1 of GD
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 09:15 AM
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38. Actually, I heard Cheney's name..............
the evening this thing boiled over last week (on the evening talk shows). And I agree with them and you that it is probably Cheney's bad. But I have my doubts that it will ever be confirmed.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 09:34 AM
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39. The Dickster
merits a kick

out of office
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 09:49 AM
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40. Yep, sounded like Chicken Dick's MO from the beginning
While I do not know much about his wife, from what other evil DUers mention about her, she sounds nasty and mean spirited too. And didn't someone mention something about her sitting in on a briefing or something. Seems there was a post about that and asking how that was any different from Hillary sitting in on meetings then the freepers basher her for it.

Cheney was on the CIA like a parasite trying to get them to provide the 'correct' info on what a dangerous, bad, evil man Saddam was and how he was such a threat to truth, justice and the American way. Once again, Chicken Dick's projection tnedencies were the real boogey man.

Tis OK. Let Chicken Dick yuck it up from the bunker. The CIA is probably not laughing and the civil war continues.

Keep this one :kick:
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KYDEM Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 11:01 AM
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41. Kick
n/t
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 03:19 PM
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43. KICK!
eom
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ByeDick Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 11:03 AM
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44. See Mike Hersh Page For Update

An updated (expanded) draft of this posting can now be found at mikehersh.com .

(Novak Intelligence Leak: All Roads Lead To Cheney)

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