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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:28 AM
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Why any indictment screws Bush.
1) The press in our country, CM (corporate media) is brain dead.
2) The press in our is hopelessly biased toward corporatism exemplified by the Bush administration.
3) The various scandals of the Bush administration have either not been covered or covered in a weak, non linear fashion.
4) DESPITE THIS, BUSH'S POPULARITY IS DOWN TO 38%.
HIS DISAPPROVAL RATE IS BETWEEN 52 - 56%
5) Therefore, without the most dominant medium of communication communicating much negative news, except occasionally, Bush is on the ropes.
6) All the people need is one more excuse to push Bush further down in the polls.

Imagine an approval rating of 32%. Imagine a disapproval rate of 60%.
That's what a charge on the leak case buys the Republicans. They have everything going for them in terms of the media, they have a passable economy (despite the clear structural weakness), and they have a 'war president.' With all this, Bush is at 36% approval by the non corporate polls.

He's toast with any indictment. He's truly fried with Rove in the mix.

This is just reality.

Now it's our turn to get our act together and get some people elected and make sure the elections are fair enough to reflect the full force of public sentiment.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:30 AM
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1. Can you imagine what his #'s would be if the public got the info
that we have? Even a fraction of that info?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:32 AM
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2. I think they have a strong intuition. Any indictment will help move
things.

:hi:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:35 AM
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3. Music to my ears!
Edited on Fri Oct-28-05 02:36 AM by Breeze54
"He's toast with any indictment. He's truly fried with Rove in the mix."



:rofl:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:38 AM
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4. I just read, yesterday I think, that 7 out of 10 people think
that the CIA leak was deliberate. Are the sheeple waking up?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:43 AM
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9. Great point. That's why any 'dirt' will spread all over these clowns.
Especially if there is a continuation of the investigation with a new grand jury (into lies getting us into war). OMf'ingG! If that happens, Bush will have huge problems just from the question being asked and investigated by a prosecutor his Justice Department appointed!

Today's a huge day!
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mestup Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:39 AM
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5. We can manipulate the press.
We've all bought into the tired meme that the press does the bidding of its corporate masters. But what do the corporate masters want? Consumerism! That's all. The more we mass-email news programs and anchors with approval for their news coverage, the more the corporate owners will take note.

Look at the recent rising star of Anderson Cooper. Viewer feedback during his brutally honest Katrina coverage propelled him to a co-anchor spot with the very settled Aaron Brown.

We have the power to manipulate the corporate media. We just don't use it enough.

/end rant
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:51 AM
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6. Scrutiny - 'Bring it on." eom
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:55 AM
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7. "passable economy"????
What on god's earth would make you say that?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:40 AM
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8. Well, it's not good and it's not excellent but "passable", yes.
I can't stand Bush and I think that we're teetering on the edge of major economic problems right now. Unfortunately, people look at things moment to moment in this country. The job situation is OK, as it seems (even though unemployment is under reported)and people are feeding spending needs out of the real estate bubble. Passable is in terms of the participants, who are worried but still employed and spending.

It won't last long but 'terrible' right not is not how the public sees it, nor is 'bad'. It's not a value judgment, it's a comment on perceptions.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:14 AM
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13. at a time when emerging markets are up 50% ytd, i'd call ours "stagnant"
the s&p is up, what, 2% ytd?

yes, the country as a whole is not technically in a recession; we're just restructuring our economy to focus more on things like profiteering from high energy prices, war, fake security and government giveaways.

so, while the economy is technically growing slowly, we're neglecting our infrastructure, legitimate security, long term research, education, etc.

in other words, we've sold out our future to avoid a technical recession today.

yippee. glad most of my puny savings are overseas....
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:03 AM
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10. So, how bout that legacy... what will history say??
Hehheh.

Sue
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:10 AM
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12. "Worst President Ever", or "First Emperor Ever"
Or at least,with his love of executive power, Bush tried to be something more than a President, and he was foiled by systemic limitations on the executive that we have.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:06 AM
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11. As usual, my friend, you're spot on.
I was thinking along the very same lines this morning, and posted this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5201307

The shitstorm is just building. Today is just another day in that build-up. An appetizer before a memorable meal. The band riff before the big concert. The prologue to the Great American Novel.

And the media will cover it. It is in their best interest to do so. Further, were they to NOT cover it, that would so transparent as to make them completely irrelevant.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 02:48 AM
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19. Great link and thread. This place is hot. Now we have to sieze the
advantage and do something with it. It's like picking up a fumble on your opponents 3 yeard line. No fucking field goals!
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 10:23 AM
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14. Dubya's speech this morning was about 9/11..
last throws in front of the kool-aid crowd. Don't think 9/11 will save his bacon any longer. He looked unstable to me.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 01:26 PM
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15. yep, and you can expect the repugs to put up a far-right scotus
to try and rally their base. the dems better be ready for the nuclear option to be used, and do their best to slow down the senate going into the 06 elections.

I hope dean is as good as we've been wishing, becasue we really need to grab one of those branches.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 02:07 PM
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16. Numbers 1 to 3
versus you and me are losing, but they haven't surrendered, probably can't. Bush has to take down his whole support mechanism with him and then I believe we will have won a great victory. The hint of a general black hole implosion swallowing the public trust in corporate crap news is still repressed but growing nicely.

It's much more than about the criminal, treacherous, uncharismatic lazy schlep Bush's fake approval ratings. It means the purging of an entire nation's failure toward itself and its most minimally basic responsibilities starting at the top and working down to the too trusting and lazily abdicating non-voter or tricked voter.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 08:52 PM
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17. Happy Fitzmas to you, autorank. Fitzmas is an opening to the idea that
out of death, life can come again.

That despite the seeming triumph of people who hijack democracy, the system is stronger than they are, and that justice will rise up and expel them.

On this day I salute you, sir, and toast to the road behind, and ahead:

:toast:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:59 PM
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18. Here's to Fitz, the last independent in a sea of sharks (really
slugs who cheat so much they look like sharks):

:toast:
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