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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:18 AM
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Maureen Dowd- Dick Correctly Titled Vice
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/tsc.html?URI=http://select.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/opinion/26dowd.html&OQ=nQ3DTopQ252fOpinionQ252fEditorialsQ2520andQ2520OpQ252dEdQ252fOpQ252dEdQ252fColumnistsQ252fMaureenQ2520Dowd&OP=168f3dd8Q2FQ3D8,bQ3DJGVQ7EQ7EJQ3D_Q25Q25!Q3DQ2BQ25Q3D_UQ3DQ7EQ26Y3YQ7E3Q3D_UeQ7E8eTEJgD

Dick at the Heart of Darkness
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: October 26, 2005


Because of Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation on Iraq, all sulfurous strands lead back to the man W. aptly nicknamed Vice.

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Sorry, I don't have the select subscription, but Imus in the morning was reporting this story.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:40 AM
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1. Maureen will be on Imus this morning
Right now it is Craig Crawford saying - I love the smell of indictments in the morning.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:52 AM
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5. I love Craig Crawford. He reminds me of Bill Clinton with..
the great southern lilt to his voice. Nice guy too.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:03 AM
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9. That was good.
The whole Imus show so far has been very good. They showed a clip of Scotty McClellan and Imus called him a lying little skunk.
:rofl:
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:14 AM
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11. Imus' statement the war is because Bush is a dry drunk
cracked me up... he noted that's only if he's not actively drinking now. He said he felt bad hoping Bush is drinking especially because he himself (Imus) is a recovering alcoholic, but nonetheless, he still hopes it's true.

The guy really doesn't care what he says... and yes, sometimes it's dead on.

I don't watch him too often, but lately, I've been watching him more and he's really "speaking out"..every thought that comes into his mind *which happens to trash Bush and the cabal at every chance he gets.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:21 AM
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13. They are also on this kick about Judy and Scooter
I don't know if anyone knows for sure if they had "relations" or not.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:18 AM
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12. He is a doll, isn't he?
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 06:19 AM by Clark2008
He doesn't remind me of Bill, however, but that may be because I'm Southern and I hear that accent all the time. ;) (He's from Kentucky, btw. I'm in Tennessee. Very similar accents.)

But, I'll agree that I like Craig more than any of the other MSNBC White House hacks.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:40 AM
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2. Maureen is supposed to be on Imus this AM. Also part of the op-ed...
Here are four of the paragraphs from her op-ed this morning.

Colonel Wilkerson, the former chief of staff for Colin Powell, broke the code and denounced Vice's vortex, calling his own involvement in Mr. Powell's U.N. speech, infected with bogus Cheney and Scooter malarkey, "the lowest point" in his life.

He followed that with a blast of blunt talk in a speech and an op-ed piece in The Los Angeles Times, saying that foreign policy had been hijacked by "a secretive, little-known cabal" that hated dissent. He said the cabal was headed by Mr. Cheney, "a vice president who speaks only to Rush Limbaugh and assembled military forces," and Donald Rumsfeld, "a secretary of defense presiding over the death by a thousand cuts of our overstretched armed forces."

"I believe that the decisions of this cabal were sometimes made with the full and witting support of the president and sometimes with something less," Colonel Wilkerson wrote. "More often than not, then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice was simply steamrolled by this cabal."

Brent Scowcroft, Bush Senior's close friend, let out a shriek this week to Jeffrey Goldberg in The New Yorker, revealing his estrangement from W. and his old protégé Condi. He disdained Paul Wolfowitz as a naïve utopian and said he didn't "know" his old friend Dick Cheney anymore. Vice's alliance with the neocons, who were determined to finish in Iraq what Mr. Scowcroft and Poppy had declared finished, led him to lead the nation into a morass. Troop deaths are now around 2,000, a gruesome milestone
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:48 AM
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3. Thank you
Do you think the part about Dickster talking to Rushbo is true?
This stuff is getting good.
:donut:
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:50 AM
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4. Man I Love MoDo
She just says it the way it is....
Oh, and * HATES her.

All the more reason......
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:36 AM
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15. I think she is awesome


:yourock:
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:55 AM
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6. I've just about gotten to the point....
that if it's bad and it's about the nitwit and his malicious troop, then it's true. I can't wait to hear Maureen on Imus. I bet she is not looking forward to the interview. Imus can be such a pain in the ass, and he thinks Maureen is nuts. At least he has lately said he wishes the whole administration was locked up, and he definitely hates this illegal war.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:06 AM
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10. Glad you are here and watching.
Imus has been on a tear about the war and cleaning up the white house.
I usually can't stand him, but occasionally he gets it right.
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:55 AM
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7. Cheney on Limbaugh about Miers nomination
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:01 AM
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8. Thanks, I 'll read more of that later
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 06:12 AM by DemonFighterLives
Rushy is definitely tuned into the crime family.
Kick for more viewers of Imus.
:kick:
Title did not indicate that she was on the show.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:26 AM
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14. Lehrer coming up next
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 06:27 AM by DemonFighterLives
He is usually good.
:dem:

Edit- spelling
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:40 AM
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16. 30 year anniversary of McNeil/Lehrer Newshour
He had no idea it would last this long.
It changed from a half hour to an hour in 1983.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:47 AM
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17. Imus says he gets his guests from the Newshour
Joking that the Newshour is the farm team before Imus launches their careers.

Imus asks is Libby turning on the vice president.
Lehrer: Doesn't know but is fascinated with the story. We'll all find out.

Imus: 2,000 GI's killed, Where are we?
Lehrer: Has a son in the Marines. No such thing as an easy war or a bloodless war.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:55 AM
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18. in the 8:00 hour
Eastern
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:01 AM
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19. I'm still here - tracking
:patriot:
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:05 AM
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20. On Imus' MSNBC site
At 8:29 am eastern, Maureen Dowd of the New York Times will join Imus to talk about the latest scandals that are plaguing the Bush administration. Never one to be short on words she'll weigh in everything from the CIA leak scandal (including her colleague Judith Miller's role) to the brow raising decision to nominate Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court. Has the arrogance and questionable decision-making finally caught up with this administration? And, finally is Michael Douglas really Dowd's former 'handbag?'
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:07 AM
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21. Handbag
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 07:08 AM by DemonFighterLives
:rofl:
Imus and the gang were alluding to some incident with Judy Miller and Maureen. Must have missed it.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:12 AM
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22. I shouldn't laugh but
Imus said he was invited to a AA meeting and the guys had suits and ties and the women were good looking. He says to himself,"why couldn't I meet some of these babes when I was druck?"

Die in scheduled for the the white house with Cindy Sheehan.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:30 AM
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23. Maureen up now
:dem:
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:34 AM
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24. Bad connection
Imus asking about Frist and his so called blind trust. He received notifications all the time. Real Blind.

Maureen- talking about catfight- must have been something in the New York Post.
Imus- wants Judy and Maureen in jello vat

M- men like women wrestling because they will end up kissing and she said, "not in this case"
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:40 AM
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25. Entanglement Scooter and Judy?
Maureen thinks Judy is angry about the word trophism. Judy has a history of dating powerful men. Maureen hates that the media has to attack the love life of women.

M- Judy got too close to the scams on trumped up intelligence.

I-stuck on the judy/scooter thing

M-doesn't get any better than the stuff that bushco has delivered up
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:47 AM
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26. Wow. What a stunningly good piece. n/t
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:54 AM
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28. Perhaps you could include a few more paragraphs
if you could.
:thumbsup:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:58 AM
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29. Certainly! Here are 3 choice ones.
If W. wants to show people now where the White House has been dishonored in far more astounding and deadly ways, he'll have to haul them around every nook and cranny of his vice president's office, then go across the river for a walk of shame through the Rummy empire at the Pentagon.

The shocking thing about the trellis of revelations showing Dick Cheney, the self-styled Mr. Strong America, as the central figure in dark conspiracies to juice up a case for war and demonize those who tried to tell the public the truth is how unshocking it all is.

It's exactly what we thought was going on, but we never thought we'd actually hear the lurid details: Cheney and Rummy, the two old compadres from the Nixon and Ford days, in a cabal running the country and the world into the ground, driven by their poisonous obsession with Iraq, while Junior is out of the loop, playing in the gym or on his mountain bike.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:15 AM
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30. I knew Jr. would be out of the loop
Thanks for that!
The cabal of old Nixon minions. Makes a lot of sense.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:52 AM
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27. Judy wanted to be in the Times seat during Scowcroft briefing
Maureen thought that was funny. Inappropriate boundary issues.

I- Why did you drop a safe on her?

M- the phantom player in many of the trumped up stuff was Judy - dirty echo chamber

I- it seemed personal

M- it's business, not personal

M- WMD catfight Price that she has to pay that others don't have to

I-why did judy become a stooge

M- perfect storm to go to war Judy's need was to get the scoop.
Rummy wanted a streamlined force and dubby wanted war and Judy wanted a scoop

I-Who is in charge over there?

I- Was this a demotion that you were moved to Sat.?

M- Frank Rich wanted to be on Sunday and they wanted to balance it with a conservative

M- mentioning the Scowcroft article where he didn't even know cheney anymore

M- doing her writing in the makeup room with Andrea Mitchell
The end - not much real news




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