Can it be? Abu Ghraib Photos to be released Wednseday??

[bettyellen]

"As part of the FOIA lawsuit brought by the ACLU, a federal judge recently ordered the Defense Department to turn over photographs and videotapes depicting the abuse of prisoners held by the United States at Abu Ghraib. That decision has been stayed until October 26. The government has not yet indicated whether it is going to appeal the court's decision."

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/ACLU_U.S._operatives_killed_detainees_during_1024.html


yeah i know it's rawstory, (not that i have a problem with that) but it seems to be based on info from the ACLU.

[tuvor]

1. Not a good week for bushco, is it? n/t

[berni_mccoy]

2. That was my understanding when the court ruled earlier this month...

MAN O MAN, the admin is about to be DOUBLE HAMMERED!

[acmejack]

3. Whats the issue with Raw Story?

I have always found them utterly reliable. I may be positively biased toward them, but all of a sudden people are acting like they are Tom Flocco! What did I miss?

[Mabus]

11. Beats me

But I know I will continue to use them.

[bettyellen]

14. i'm not sure, that was just being pre-emptive. i keep hearing it's the

Matt Drudge of the left. And it posts teasers saying "developing story".
i don't have a beef with them, but others here certainly do.

[annabanana]

4. maybe they're too busy to keep track of ALL the

disasters on their horizons..

[Poll_Blind]

5. I can only hope....the silence was both freaky and worrying. n/t

PB

[Roland99]

6. Maybe they'll be too busy spinning and diverting to file an appeal.

[acmavm]

7. We may get the indictments, but we aren't going to get these pics.

The indictments have the entire country in an uproar. The pictures would set the whole planet into a tizzy. They can't afford it.

But I certainly wish it would. It would be our little 'trifecta'. (Rove, Libby, and the pics.)

[xray s]

8. They will appeal

The case will eventually go all the way to the Supreme Court. Those pictures will never see the light of day.

[orleans]

30. is that why bushie wants his little harry on the bench?

so she won't make us all look at those nasty-wasty dirty little pictures of her and bushie...er...i mean those other pictures. she'll protect him!

[suffragette]

9. I admire the ACLU for continuing to plug away at this

Thanks to them for persistently fighting for our rights and for the information to be made public.
Tomorrow will certainly be interesting.
I wonder if these will finally be released or if the Defense Dept. will stall once again.

edited for spelling

[bettyellen]

16. as do i, sufragette.

i guess we should expect an appeal tommorrow though.
or at least some news about it.
:hi:
my first live DUer!

[suffragette]

34. live and still kickin'

:hi: :hug:
Thanks for posting this. I've been on the lookout for updates, but hadn't seen any.

[bettyellen]

39. i'm kicking it again.

[BattyDem]

10. They're going to allow the photos to be released?

Why now? They've been fighting so hard to keep them hidden.

Could it be that the charges against them will be worse than we thought and they need something HUGE to distract the people and the media? Could the photos be the diversion for tomorrow? :shrug:

[shraby]

12. I think it was accidental that both are falling on the

same day. The DoD didn't think indictments would be the order of the day when they asked for an extension last month.

[BattyDem]

13. I know the dates are coincidental, but ...

the fact that they haven't filed an appeal is not. They knew when the GJ expired ... and they knew when the photos were ordered to be released.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Judge Hellerstein ordered the images released Sept. 29

That's not crazy talk, that's a fact- it's just been super underplayed in the MSM...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4295324.stm

You should read the judge's order. He displayed real courage.
Here's my blog entry on it:

http://impeachdubya.blogspot.com/2005/10/todays-profile-in-courage-judge-alvin.html

In the court order, he gave the DoD 20 days to appeal. How that translates to Oct. 26, is beyond me... My guess is, judging by their track record, they will wait until the last second, then appeal. But we shall see.

[bettyellen]

17. 20 business days? i have no idea!

but yeah, i'm expecting an appeal.
:(

[Warren DeMontague]

22. That was my thinking, too.

Like Bankers' hours.

Of course, the court order just says twenty days. Maybe it's twenty LUNAR days.

[bettyellen]

24. i'm not holding my breath, but there has been a lot of talk of torture

lately, with the amnedment and the bush veto.
the frontline piece was amazing, there's supposed to be more on the site, too.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. I'm of the opinion that the McCain torture bill was a CYA move on the part

of the Senate, specific to the unreleased Abu Ghraib material-- if and when it breaks. Keep in mind most of Congress have actually SEEN the stuff we haven't been allowed to.

[bettyellen]

42. yeah, i was thinking the same... and with soldiers coming forward

the press finally reporting, stugg coming from amnesty about deaths in these jails.
i think they know it's going to be an issue, and people will be outraged they knew.
and fuck em, they did and shoulda said something then.

[me b zola]

35. I question how much courage

That judge could have ordered the photos to be physically in the courtroom the day of the decision, and handed over immediately.

I do appreciate the seriousness of drawing the ire of the beast by ruling for the photos to be released, but true courage would have ensured that they were released.

[goforit]

18. Oh my God!!!.......When it rains it pours!!!

[Mortos]

19. Every appeal they have filed has come at the 11th hour

It is a tried and true tactic for Bushco. Wait until the last possible minute and then use some of them there lawyer folk you claim to despise to give you a few more months to cover your crimes.

Every last one resign in disgrace...every last one.

[bettyellen]

20. yep. i guess we'll read about the appeal tommorrow.

is this the third appeal?
how many can they get away with, i wonder? till it goes to the supremes?

[BattyDem]

21. I didn't realize that they always wait until the last minute.

I guess the pics won't get released after all. :-(

[Warren DeMontague]

23. Assuming they appeal, it's still not over- this is a long haul fight

when Judge hellerstein ruled against them, though, they lost a REAL big battle.

[bettyellen]

25. is this because they've repeated the same argument for appeal twice?

national security, blah blah blah?

[Warren DeMontague]

26. First they tried the tack that releasing the pictures would violate the

geneva convention rights of the people being victimized in the pictures.

("Orwell, Party of Four!")

[Marr]

33. I remember that.

One the greatest "WTF" moments of the last few years.

[Rex]

27. The Pentagon will have to get back with you America.

Maybe have an investigation or something. They'll let ya know.

[Marr]

29. They'll appeal on the 26th, I have no doubt.

That's what they've been doing so far- they wait until the deadline and appeal.

[bobbieinok]

31. you think maybe there are so many lawyers trying to put out so many fires

b/c of the Plame case that this might be overlooked??????

[Marr]

32. I was talking to a friend about exactly that tonight! Haha.

I wonder how many lawyers they have at their disposal? I assume it's however many they need.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

36. Here's a copy of the Judge's Order - calling for release on Wednesday

He extended his order for a few days to give the government the opportunity to request reconsideration of certain parts of his Order from September 29th. Unless the government responds, the release of the photos and videos must occur today on Wednesday, October 26th.

http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/courtweb/pdf/D02NYSC/05-06267.PDF

[mattomjoe]

37. I keep hearing conservatives say that releasing those images/video

will put our troops in harm's way. I wonder what they had to say about the rationale behind the burning of Taliban soldiers?

[The Stranger]

38. Looks like the troops that did the torture in the photos put their fellows

in harm's way. You can't lie to protect crimes and criminals. It's their fucking fault.

[bettyellen]

40. What happened? Is the govt just breaking the law again?

pretending they are ignorant?

[SpiralHawk]

41. Kick - on general principle

We need to follow this issue on Thursday, the 27th.

[Moochy]

43. an update from KOS

update from kos

CourtWeb, unfortunately, can sometimes be a bit slow in posting opinions and orders (and Judge Hellerstein doesn't always use it, anyway). CourtWeb would also not show any filing by a party, such as the notice of appeal. Having said that, a review of the docket on the PACER/ECF database (registration required) shows that, on Monday October 24, the ACLU filed papers in opposition to the CIA's motion for partial reconsideration. Later that same day, Judge Hellerstein signed an order further enlarging the stay, until November 1 to permit him time for consideration of the government motion and plaintiff's opposition. So sit tight everyone, we've got at least another week to wait.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/26/14471/096

[bettyellen]

44. ANOTHER FRIGGIN WEEK!?!? anyway, i do thank you Moochy....

at keast it's not another appeal. dag, is the door still open for one?

[Moochy]

45. Yes, It looks that way,

Another appeal most likeley at the "11th hour" as they say.

[bettyellen]

46. at least this time people are taking an interest, and reporting on these

things rather than the nada zilch zip that was showing up in the news a few weeks back.