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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:00 AM
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A huge 9/11 RED FLAG
I don't believe Cheney & Co. are going to risk their plans by explaining them in detail to an incompetent Resident-in-Chief.

Another huge RED FLAG that points to 9/11 being "made to happen on purpose" is is the fact that US Navy Captain Deborah Loewer, the DIRECTOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM was travelling with the Resident in Florida, and INDEED, also went to Emma E. Booker Elementary School with B*sh!

I can just hear someone from Cheney & Co. now: "We better send someone to Florida with B*sh to help when this thing blows. He's going to want to set up an emergency Situation Room".

That's the DIRECTOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM in the white jacket standing behind B*sh in their "make-shift" Situation Room at Emma E. Booker Elementary School.



Do you think maybe SHE's on the phone with Cheney here?

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:07 AM
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1. Is there any evidence...
... that her traveling with Bush on this day is exceptional? Prior to 9/11, had she frequently traveled with Bush, or not? Not saying it's not a good catch, but it won't generate much attention unless her presence there in itself was unusual.

Cheers.
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:23 AM
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4. Or a person like her
with all whistle-asses fund raisers ppl in jobs like her probably share the travel.

Now like you say if this is the first trip she and her office was on then a major problem.

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:32 AM
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6. NORMALLY, Rice would have travelled with him
Loewer was also the one who informed the President about the first attack. NORMALLY, it would have been Condoleeza Rice who would have travelled with the Resident. Perhaps Cheney knew he was going to need Rice in the White House Situation Room that day, so he sent a substitute to Florida with B*sh.

"Ohio native Deborah Loewer was the first person to inform President Bush that terrorism had struck New York City the morning of Sept 11.
Loewer, 47, is the director of the White House Situation Room, the White House's crisis-management center.

Normally, National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice would have informed President Bush of the attacks. But it was Loewer who had traveled with the president on Sept. 11 to Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla.

Shortly before 9 a.m., Loewer got a call telling her that "an aircraft had impacted the World Trade Center."
Loewer said that when she arrived at the school, she ran hard and fast to the president.

Loewer told the president and his chief of staff, Andrew Card, that an aircraft had hit the World Trade Center.
"This is all we know," she told them.

Like most Americans, Loewer was watching television when the second plane struck the second tower.

"I tell you, I was so stunned, as I'm sure many of you were," Loewer recalled. "Well, it took me about 30 seconds to realize that this was terrorism." She relayed that thought to Card, who then whispered to the president, "Capt. Loewer says it's terrorism."
-NewsFlash (AP) (11/26/01)


Loewer was also making phone calls for B*sh after they fled Florida:

"Loewer was on Air Force One with the president when they departed Florida and flew to the first of two secure locations. It wasn't until they returned to Washington, D.C., that evening and Loewer left the helicopter on the south lawn of the White House that her parents spotted her on TV and knew she was all right.

In a telephone interview...Loewer said that in those initial moments of the flight, obviously many calls needed to go out. So, she asked the president, "Who do you want to talk to first?" President Bush replied, " 'I want to talk to my wife.' "

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/2001/catholictelegraph120701.html

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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:18 AM
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2. Pull up the tape of Bush while @ Booker Elementary...
...getting 'the whisper' in his ear. The look on his face is rather not, "OMG!!! Our nation is under attack!" The look on his face that particular moment was very much,

"It has begun..."
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:20 AM
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3. Yup...
... in those moments, he looks a lot more distracted than horrified....
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:27 AM
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5. His immediate reaction was even more telling...
how can one sit there, after being informed that, "the nation is under attack", and continue to read a childrens bok?

I am still amazed that he didn't immediately excuse himself and get to the task at hand. Did it really take that long to sink in?

That in itself is a frightening thought.

:kick:
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:34 AM
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8. I have heard the argument made by his defenders
that he didn't want to "frighten the children" by immediately terminating storytime and tending to the business of the country and its assaulted citizenry.

Never mind the traumatized children of workers in the twin towers watching them come down. Musn't interrupt the telling of goat stories and possibly scarring for life the kids in that room.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:48 AM
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He could so easily have said, "Excuse me kids, I have to take an
important phone call." and they would have understood that the president sometimes has priorities over reading a storybook to kids. Then the teacher could later have explained that he had to take care of a national emergency and so couldn't return to them.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:36 AM
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9. Yes, AND he was putting the life of those children
in danger!! If there was even an inkling that America was under attack, wouldn't the President of the United States also be a target?! How could he sit in that classroom with all of those children without any thought to their safety!!??
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:58 AM
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11. Whoa, I never thought of that, spooked...
You are absolutely right. What a perfect comeback to that "argument"! Dang, can't wait to use it on some freepers.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:05 AM
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20. Especially given the reports of the extra security Junior had on himself
...at the hotel he stayed at the night before, and the reported possibility of an assassination attempt when a van full of Arabs reportedly showed up at Junior's hotel early in the morning, claiming they were a television crew who had a poolside interview with the pResident.

It's only obvious the Idiot wasn't at all surprised by what Andy Card told him in that classroom.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 11:39 AM
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24. Didn't Jeb declare Marshal Law for Florida some weeks PRIOR to 9/11?
... and I do not remember hearing the reason. Maybe I just missed that part.
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Design8edGrouch Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:36 AM
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12. His almost non-reaction
On 9/11 I was sitting at work listening to NPR as usual. Most of my coworkers used the little personal radio and could only listen through headphones. Because I occaisonally taped a program while at work, I had a bigger radio that gave me the option of listening through headphones or the radio's speakers. I heard NPR's first announcement and I told the room about the "crash". A short time later the second plane crashed. My coworkers including my boss and her boss gathered around my desk. I pulled the earplug so everyone could listen. We listened in obvious shock and there seemed to be a need to listen as a group as the story unfolded. Some openly cried. No work was done for the rest of the morning and we were soon sent home.
My point is, if a group of midwestern office workers were so shocked by the event that they had to gather as a group to listen to what ever news they could get, doesn't it seem odd that the president just sat there with out any emotional expression at all? Does't it also seem odd that Rumsfeld being told of the two attacks while in a high level meeting at the Pentagon, just continued with the meeting as if there was nothing to be concerned about?
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impeach the gop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:33 AM
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7. these morons really got theirselves in a fine mess for sure
I want to scream every time they keep playing this worn out 911 scam. It's getting on my nerves. Someone call the twinkie mobile and lock them nuts up where we can get back to some kind of life
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 06:44 AM
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10. doesn't smirky look strangely happy in these pics... like a kid
in a candystore. I've always felt that since that day he's been trying to conceal his glee... I remember thinking, watching him at the first press conference afterward, that I could only describe his mood as constrained joy.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:37 AM
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13. Not much of a red flag...
...especially when one considers the hundreds of other unanswered questions about 9-11.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 07:53 AM
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14. how unusual is this?
Edited on Sat Oct-11-03 07:54 AM by NewYorkerfromMass
:shrug:
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Warren Stuart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:02 AM
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15. You are all missing the point
And the point is glaringly obvious.

Why was Bush informed only after the plane struck the first tower, why wasn't he notified of the hijackings as soon as they were known?

The FAA has to notify NORAD, which in turn has to notify the president immediatly as soon as it is known that a hijacking is taking place.

My thinking is that he did know, he was notified, but this woman didn't she was there to provide cover. So that Bush would have an excuse for not acting decisively.

This is the half hour gap that really matters, how come Bush didn't know that a hijacking was taking place?

We are not going to get the answers until the heads of the FAA and NORAD are deposed and put under oath, regarding their actions on that day. If they really didn't inform Bush then this is criminal neglect.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 08:40 AM
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16. He knew about the first plane when he left his hotel that day,

according to what I've read. I believe he exchanged a few words with reporters about it.

I hadn't heard about Loewer before. People in the 911 forum may have.
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:37 AM
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17. That story is now seen as unlikely
All accounts show Bush leaving the hotel before the first tower was hit. If so, then the report of John Cochran to Peter Jennings which aired about 15 min after the second plane hit and after Bush left the classroom is in error. See this link for details of that day:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/timeline/main/dayof911.html

As the first plane hit, Bush's motorcade was nearing Booker. Loewer's account says she got a call while in the motorcade. Another account says Bush also got a call in the motorcade, but certainly he knew something was going on upon arrival at that latest since Loewer says she told him.

Bush's later account of learning of the first plane on a TV outside the classroom is a lie. His account and the revisionist accounts of Andrew Card and others are all designed to create a false impression.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:11 AM
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21. Maybe that's why they pulled the transcript off the White House web site.
The one from the speech given in Florida in December 01 where Idiot Son recalls watching the first plane hit the tower as it happenned.
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Warren Stuart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 11:03 AM
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23. Again you're missing the point
It's not when did he learn when the tower was struck.

IT'S WHEN DID LEARN OF THE HIJACKINGS?

How come he wasn't immediately notified as soon as NORAD was made aware?

THIS IS CRIMINAL INCOMPETENCE!

Sorry for shouting, but everyone is missing the point. Bush did not want to be in a position of shooting down an American airplane. This act of cowardice cost the lives of thousands of Americans.

This is the scandal, it's not that he let it happen on purpose, he let it happen by neglect.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:48 AM
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18. And is Bush calling for pizza?
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 09:51 AM
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19. he is calling his coke dealer
so he can buy cocaine
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-03 10:13 AM
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22. Nah, he was in Florida. He could have called Jeb for that!
Maybe he was calling his mommy?
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