BUSH DOWN - Majority Approval only in UT,ID,WY,AK,NE,OK -

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2005/50StatePOTUS1005SortedbyApproval.htm


CONGRATULATIONS TO ALABAMA !! FINALLY SAW THE LIGHT !!!!


MORE PEOPLE DISSAPPROVE THAN APPROVE IN TEXAS !!!!

[BlueEyedSon]

1. WTF is wrong with UTAH????

[lilymidnite]

7. Mormons are taught to follow authority ...

... to the very end. Very sad.

The local rag (SLTribune) LTE page was *filled* with "Wha?" letters yesterday about this very thing.

Unless it's Bill Clinton.

I wasn't born here, maybe it has to be embedded in-utero.

[helderheid]

19. I'm in Utah - GREAT LTTEs today...

Creating reality


Salt Lake Tribune

Despite his having stolen the presidency twice through rigged elections, despite his having ignored repeated warnings about 9/11, despite his having used lies and misrepresentations to drag our country into an illegal war, despite his having created the largest deficits in American history by giving unconscionable tax cuts to the rich, despite his being the first president to condone torture, despite his alienating long-standing allies and staining our reputation around the world, despite his trying to destroy Social Security, despite his endangering national security by putting unqualified cronies in key positions, despite his being arguably the worst president in American history, a recent poll found that 61 percent of Utahns still approve of George W. Bush's performance as president - by far the highest rating of any state in the union.
It reminds me of the unnamed senior adviser to Mr. Bush who said to journalist Ron Suskind (writing in the New York Times, Oct. 17, 2004): “Guys like you, Ron, belong to the reality-based community. You believe that solutions emerge from the judicious study of discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works any more. We're an empire now, and we create our own reality.”
The adviser was talking only about the Bush administration. But apparently 61 percent of Utahns are creating their own reality, too.

Tom Huckin
Salt Lake City



Article Last Updated: 10/23/2005 11:25 PM


Living in a fog?


Salt Lake Tribune

So, according to one of the latest nationwide polls, Bush's approval rating has dropped to 32 percent nationally. But here in Utah he enjoys a comfortable 61 percent.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Is it possible that Utahns know something that the rest of the nation doesn't? Does living in the fog of God's favoritism muddle one's mind? Does the fact that Utah has slipped to 33rd in the National Education Proficiency Rating have any bearing?

Guy Wheelwright
Holladay

[Hapameli]

38. It occurs to me that they have been successful creating another reality...

The vast majority of people, even here on DU, don't see what's going on in the "real world". Strongest Hurricanes in history within the last two years=not real. Large earthquakes occurring around the world during these hurricanes=not real. Weather around the world today=not real.

Remember that when the cold kills off more elderly and poor people this winter.

There is a bigger fight and more on the line than most people here want to realize.

H.R. 2995: To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes

S. 517: A bill to establish a Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-517

[electropop]

42. Weather Modification Board?

Crap, that's really scary! Have they started operations already (i.e. Katrina)?

[Hapameli]

45. These are the Bushes... what do you think? nt

[Enraged_Ape]

56. In defense of the LDS, I know a lot of Dem Mormons

Mormons traditionally have large families and are raised from birth to be as practical as can be to provide for them. This means that they shouldn't drink caffeine or alcohol or Republican Kool-Aid. Your best Mormon knows which side his/her bread is buttered on, and it ain't on the Republican side.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Harry Reid is a mormon

[helderheid]

69. The vice chair and half the staff at the Utah Democratic Party are Mormon

and some of the best people I've ever known... but it's true the majority are "raised" in a somewhat herd mentality and the Church, despite what some may say, does encourage their members to vote a certain way.

[Enraged_Ape]

74. I was raised in Mormon country...

and I have a lot of Mormon friends. (Where I grew up, if you didn't have Mormon friends, you didn't have friends.) You'd be surprised how many of my Mormon friends DO NOT SUPPORT BushCo. They know what this gang of thieves is all about, and they know that they are NOT for the American family.

I do not endorse the Mormon religion at all, but there are a couple of things I really appreciate Mormons for: 1) They really do take good care of their own, and 2) They are generally VERY resourceful, practical people. The ones that are most practical, most resourceful, and most concerned for their families DO NOT ENDORSE the monkey king. And there are a lot more of those people than you would think.

[helderheid]

84. I would have to agree

[lebkuchen]

85. I lived in SLC

Best kept secret in the US if you key in on the natural wonders and ignore the RW whackos.

[Cha]

88. Yee Haw!

Great LTTE!

[Village Idiot]

28. You have to ASK?

[BlueEyedSon]

52. LOL

[Hubert Flottz]

35. Orrin Hatched

What an ass and a liar.

[Hamlette]

39. Mormons voted Dems 30 years ago. The switch was on social issues

it's where propaganda works in the extreme. Abortion and before that the Equal Rights Amendment brought some ugly types to power here. (Think Delay and you'd come close to our own Senator Butters. Ugh.)

When Utah wanted statehood (after they'd fixed the polygamy problem) the feds were afraid mormons would vote in a block for 1 party. They told the state to show that the church would not control politics. The next Sunday at church, the Bishop looked out over the congregation and said: those of you on this side of the aisle are Republican, those on the other side are Democrats. Talk about sheep! They did it and soon the state showed half and half Dem and GOP voters.

The church every once in a blue moon does something right. They came out against the MX missle years ago and the church's stand on gay marriage was not as stident (yes, the church is agin' it) as it could have been. Also, our state school board unanimously sturck down teaching intell design in Utah schools. Butters intends to take it to the state legislature and then the people if he loses there. As Butters explains, its not Mormons who need to be taught intel design in school, because they get it in church, its all those non mormons who need educatin' in school on things like that. (the guys is a nut case)

[FreedomAngel82]

59. Totally ridiculous!

If my preacher ever did that I'd say "Screw you". If I was on the republican side I'd still vote democratic. Nobody is going to tell me how to vote. My vote was fought for so I'm not going to waste it like that. And intelligent design doesn't need to be taught in schools period. That's why there is the church and freedom of religion. Intelligent design is based on faith no matter what some fundy republican says.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

55. Who knows?

Most mormons I've known have seemed like very nice, caring, people. They didn't seem at all like the fundies I knew.

[lilymidnite]

2. I wish these stupid red-state ...

idiots would have awakened last November.

[Perky]

5. would have settled for a couple of hundred thousand in OH

n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. YES. I actually wish they would pass an amendment so that

Junior could run again so we could beat him again.

[Skelington]

27. I've had enough of proving * lost the election,

It's time for me to get past the 00 and 04 election and work on things I can effect. However I also wish your suggested amendment would pass, a BILL Clinton / Clark ticket sounds pretty good to me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. You are 100% right. It seems like with all the scandals, on right

after another, there hasn't been a moment to breathe and focus on the future - i.e. our own agenda and McCain or Rudy.

Re: Clinton - That is exactly what I was thinking. Maybe WE should push for the amendment. That would REALLY be humorous too. Watch the people who want to get as far away as possible from Dim Son vote against it !!

[Lasher]

40. Wow, can you imagine a presidential debate

between Bill Clinton & Dubya? Hahahahahah!!

[Skelington]

48. DU has enough voices to affect change,

I'm pretty new to DU, but I've noticed in my "lurking" that DU probably has 40K + voices. If that energy could be channeled away from "what HAS happened" and into what "should happen" I think great things could be accomplished. The current administration has a tremendous number of negative issues right out in the face of the american public. Dems seem to spend to much time trying to prove the faults of republicans, and not enough time displaying the advantages of a democratic Senate or House not to mention a sitting Democratic president.

The hard fact of the matter is that george bush will not be impeached, he will not step down and the elections of 00 and 04 are over. A simple calm conversation with almost anybody WILL produce results, anybody who is thinking clear can see the mess we are in. But holding the problems up, written in blood red ink and shoved down the throats of republicans as being THEIR FAULT will not result in a calm intelligent discussion. "you are wrong and I am right speeches" accomplish nothing, stable conversation without implying that because they voted for bush the world will now end will move Dems closer to their goals.

[Bridget Burke]

61. When did you prove that?

The 2004 election definitely had some "problems" but there's no question about 2000. Florida, run by his crooked brother, would actually have gone to Gore if the Supreme Court had not stepped in to stop an honest vote count.

Efforts should be directed towards 2006 & 2008--of course. But many of us WON'T forget that Bush was illegitimate from the beginning of his regime.

[Skelington]

64. Nobody has ever "PROV EN" that the elections were stolen,

I would love to see the un-disputed TRUTH that the elections were stolen, but it is never going to happen, that sucks but that IS the truth. I never said that we had to forget about what happened. If your facts are so indisputable about jeb and the supreme court, his crooked brother etc etc, then tell me which Democratic Leader thinks this issue will win the Democrats House or Senate seats in 06.

There is nothing that can or will be done about the 00 and 04 elections. The point of my post you replied to was that there are GREAT things that can be accomplished by focusing more on the future political landscape, and less on past battles that had outcomes that will never change. Your loyalty to hating Republicans is not in dispute with me.

Now I have some questions for you, please be honest. What was the real point of trying to corner me on "proof" of election fraud. Are you trying to teach me a lesson? -or- do you think I'm ignorant because I just found DU? Don't ever forget a wrong done to you, but if you cannot use that wrong to create justice, then you are just complaining.

[Bridget Burke]

68. YOU brought up the elections of 2000 & 2004.

They had not been mentioned in this thread at all.

No, I do not think those elections should be the main issue for future campaigns. But I get very tired of being told to "get over it."

[Skelington]

70. the post I replied to described enjoying beating bush all over again

put it in context, just curious as to what you think they might have been talking about.

If "get over it" is to tired an expression how about "GET ON WITH IT!"
I still wake up to a republican House, Senate and President, and constantly describing the election fraud of 00 and 04 will not get Democrats elected. Might never "get over it", but it is way past time for me to "GET ON WITH IT"

[Skelington]

72. And also..

I never told YOU to get over anything, I said it was time I get over it, read the post again.

[Bridget Burke]

73. OK. Get over it!

Thanks for your suggestions.

[Skelington]

76. I just read my own posts....

Sorry I sound like such an asshole, I'm really not.

[BL611]

12. I don't know

maybe if you didn't call them stupid red state idiots.....just a thought....

[Skelington]

36. I agree,

There are a lot of people who know they made a mistake is supporting bush, however being called an idiot draws "pride" lines in the sand, not an open mind discussion. I don't think this is about proving Dems are right and Repubs are "idiots" , this is about steering the country back in the right direction.

[Clark2008]

30. Say "red-voting idiots," please.

I live in a red-state, but I don't vote red - and neither do 42 percent of my fellow Tennesseans. We're a maroonish state. :hi:

[RumpusCat]

65. Thanks for sticking up for TN

Am from Chattanooga--I live in NJ now, but miss the Volunteer State quite a bit! :hi:

[Peace Patriot]

60. 80% of the nation's votes were tabulated by two rightwing Bushite...

...corporations (Diebold and ES&S) using SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code. The war profiteering corporate news monopolies, acting in concert, late on election day, ALTERED their own exit poll data (Kerry won) to FIT the "official result" derived by Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae (Bush won).

The election was non-transparent and unverifiable, and all external indicators point to a Kerry win--including, but not limited to, the real exit poll numbers (captured in screen shots by alert bloggers on election day, later admitted by the pollsters), massive Dem success in new voter registration in 2004, polls showing that new voters, independent voters and former Nader voters all voted overwhelmingly for Kerry, Bush's low approval ratings leading up to the election (Zogby said he couldn't win), hundreds of newspaper editorials that abandoned Bush in 2004, the issue polls showing massive discontent with Bush policy, going back several years, the big spontaneous crowds for K/E, vs. the bussed in, highly vetted crowds for B/C, etc., etc.

Further, if all the purged black voters and other suppressed Dem voters are added in, Kerry's win was probably by a landslide 5% or better margin. (The exit polls showed a comfortable Kerry win by a 3% margin; that's just the voters who made it to the voting booth; Greg Palast has estimated that a million black voters were purged from the voting rolls, nationwide, to start off with, then there was the massive precinct-shorting and machine-shorting and other such Bushite tactics in Ohio and other places.)

Diebold's and ES&S's secret, proprietary result is the only evidence of a Bush win--and no one, not even secretaries of state, are permitted to review how that result was tabulated. Everything else supports a Kerry win.

In 2004, one third of the country had not even a meager "paper trail" by which to audit/recount the vote (let alone a real paper ballot), and there were extremely inadequate auditing/recounting provisions everywhere. (Tom Delay blockaded a "paper trail" requirement in Congress; Diebold, ES&S and others lavishly lobbied against it.)

Many experts warned of the perils of electronic voting, pointing to the extreme insecurity, unreliability and hackability of these machines (one hacker, a couple of minutes, leaving no trace). They were, of course, ignored by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, who, instead of using their exit polls to verify the election, CHANGED their exit polls to fit its unverifiable results. (The silence of the Democratic Party leaders on this matter is incomprehensible, until you look into Diebold's and ES&S's lavish lobbying, which I won't do here. Suffice it to say, they have failed their constituencies in more ways than one.)

Conclusion: It is not possible to prove that any state is a "red" state (i.e., voted for Bush). What numbers are you relying upon? Diebold's and ES&S's unverified, and unverifiable, secret tabulation?

My guess: The real numbers of the 2004 election are much closer to the numbers reflected in this poll (posted above) than to Diebold's and ES&S's "trade secret," proprietary "results." That is, Kerry won it by a landslide, buoyed by the tremendous efforts of the antiwar grass roots.

-------------

See "MythBreakers," an easy to read pamphlet on the perils of electronic voting: http://www.votersunite.org

See, a project for statistical monitoring and challenges of the '06 and '08 elections: http://www.UScountvotes.org.

See, for 2004 election info and analysis: http://TruthIsAll.net.

[Perky]

3. The Texas bit is huge. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Guess Texas isn't bush** Country after all, hehehehe!

:bounce:

[BOSSHOG]

8. Mississippi 48% for - 48% against

We're just a bunch of flaming liberals down here in the Piney Woods.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. lol - Do you think Katrina "Dead Aid" has something to do w/ it?

[BOSSHOG]

15. Oh bush's base on the gulf coast

were beside themselves insisting the feds send billions right now. While I don't disagree with them and my sympathies are with my fellow Mississipians who are suffering a helluva lot more than us, they got what they voted for. I guess a natural disaster will make a democrat out of anyone.

[BlueEyedSon]

9. TX chart:

[Mr_Spock]

13. There's a trend I could get used to

:D

[A Simple Game]

53. We need to find out what happened in Texas.

A ten point change in less than a month! Wow!!

We could use a lot more of that.

[Bridget Burke]

63. A couple of suggestions:

Many of us Texans live in hurricane country. Bush & Co screwed up badly with Katrina & Rita. We took in many of the folks from Louisiana & parts of Texas have NOT recovered from Rita.

And many Texans have long commutes. For every Texan who benefits from high gas prices, about a hundred Texans suffer.

[A Simple Game]

66. Thanks.

No matter how badly the government treats Texans who help the Louisiana hurricane victims, you are doing the right thing, and it is appreciated.

I can relate to the long commute part.

[Ishoutandscream2]

54. That brings a tear to my eye. My state is waking up

I knew we'd eventually see the light.

[Mr_Spock]

10. So six states are filled with certifiable morans huh?

I'll have to keep that list handy - anybody who supports Bush at this time is a moran.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. It's funny, I posted this last month. All the Katrina states have now

shifted to the majority disapproval column...

[blm]

14. Don't forget Poland.

.

[xultar]

16. WOW not GA! I know a BushBot who removed his sticker. HE's Finished

with BushCo.

[bullwinkle428]

82. Yet, sadly...here in Iowa...there are still some stubborn

morans who continue to proudly display their Bush/Cheney & W '04 stickers. I have to resist all temptation to give them an "aviary salute" as I pass them on the highway...

[kentuck]

18. Just like Nixon....

and I'll bet almost the same identical states....

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. you mean the ones that stuck by him? (nixon)

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. Add Kansas and you'd have Intelligent Design Country

Add Kansas and you'd have Intelligent Design country. Note that the SouthEast including Texas is Creationist country and they now think Bush is "one uh thaym yeller libruhls, unhunh".

[beardown]

89. Kansas would have stayed Bush

However, rumors abounded that the polling places were too close to the edge of the earth so many of the faithful stayed at home to read their Inteligent Design primers least they fall off the flat earth while trying to find the polls.

[racaulk]

22. Wow, check out Ohio...

Ohio is the "red" state with the highest approval-disapproval rating spread. How very, very interesting...

[ixion]

23. I am so sad to see NE in that list.

little wonder why I had to get the hell out of that state. :-(

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. Well, look at the bright side - it's trending the right way..

Last month 13 point spread, this month only 7 pts.

[Maru Kitteh]

46. Was it really that? Or was it the overwhelmingly total lack of scenery?

We live in Kearney which is less red and horrible than many other parts of the state but stil........

Our long term plans are to move to Estes Park Colorado. Mild summers, mild winters and mountains every day. Oh, and Democrats. :dem:

[ixion]

50. yeah, the subtle beauty of the prairie just didn't do it for me...

I like living near water or mountains or both.

I grew up in Lincoln, by the by. :hi:

[yellowcanine]

25. Look at SOUTH CAROLINA 40% Approve, 58% Disapprove. I just saw a pig

fly past my window holding a newspaper with a headline saying "Cold Snap Reported in Hell".

[tex-wyo-dem]

26. Gads....although I love my home state of WY...

the people there can be real knuckleheads when it comes to politics. No matter how an elected official performs, it seems that once a governor, senator or rep is in office they're pretty much guaranteed to stay there until they retire or die.

Question their great Rethug leader?....NEVER!

[ProfessorGAC]

29. Well, Wait A Minute

With states that small in population still having positive approval ratings, the numbers don't mesh in the overall.

The weighted average values should show his approval down in the low 30's. (based upon these data, the aggregate should be a little under 32.4%).

So i'm wondering why are the polls reporting 38%. The numbers would indicate it's much worse.
The Professor

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. Interesting. Sounds like the National polls must be calling a hell

of a lot of people in Alaska, Utah, Wyoming, etc.

[ProfessorGAC]

33. That's My Concern

I'm questioning their stratification and geographic randomness (really quasirandom).

This came up in the past too, right after Silverspoon's stratospheric highs in the jingoistic and revenge driven peak, post-9/11.

I will have to get in touch with my friends at Pew and ARC and see if they can explain. They're pretty good social scientists, with no agenda other than the math. Maybe this is all ok, but as a statistical analyst myself, i can't see how.
The Professor

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Their methodology is interesting....

http://www.surveyusa.com/methodology.html

SurveyUSA surveys are conducted in the voice of a professional announcer. SurveyUSA is the first research company to appreciate that opinion research can be made more affordable, more consistent and in some ways more accurate by eliminating the single largest cost of conducting research, and a possible source of bias: the human interviewer.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Now would be a PERFECT time for Dems to Push some legislation !!!

[dogfacedboy]

32. And yet the FOXwhores still say he's not a LOSER. n/t

[UrbScotty]

37. 47 electoral votes, people. (nt)

[Jed Dilligan]

41. 42-54 Texas! LOL nt

[MGKrebs]

47. Not so clear for Georgia.

This from the AJC today:

"A poll commissioned by Republicans now sits on the desk of every ranking decision-maker in the state GOP, whether here or in Washington.

"The survey was taken last Tuesday, post-Hurricane Rita and post-Delta bankruptcy. As with any private poll, keep in mind that we've only been shown the shiny parts — the parts we're meant to see."

snip

"By comparison, President Bush is pleasing only 53 percent of Georgia voters — higher than the national average, but still disappointing. Bush's unfavorable ranking in Georgia is an astounding 47 percent."

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/insider/index.html

[Laura PourMeADrink]

49. maybe it has something to do with this...

http://www.surveyusa.com/methodology.html

SurveyUSA surveys are conducted in the voice of a professional announcer. SurveyUSA is the first research company to appreciate that opinion research can be made more affordable, more consistent and in some ways more accurate by eliminating the single largest cost of conducting research, and a possible source of bias: the human interviewer.

[deadparrot]

51. 39% approval in red Missouri...

Gotta love it...

[Jamison]

80. Shocking huh?

One could argue that we were possibly the reddest state in the Union in 2004. That's OK, baby Blunt is screwing up the republican image big time in our state.

[deadparrot]

83. Oh, Baby Blunt has screwed things up left and right...

Literally everyone I know loathes him (even the people who voted for him).

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Why do they have Kerry there??

:shrug: I don't get that. 40% here in Tennessee! Good! Hopefully we can have democratic reps next year!

[Ksec]

62. Rita killed the south for the rethuglycans nt

[ladjf]

67. Well, that's six states that I'll never consider moving to.

It boggles my mind to think that any state would have a majority for Bush. Someone needs to launch a study of what has gone wrong with their minds.

[helderheid]

71. C'mon! We could use you here in Utah!

I'm lonely

[yellowcanine]

77. There are 36% of you. Not bad for Utah.

[ladjf]

79. Actually, were it not for the exceptionally good political judgment

of the blacks in the South, there were be more Bush majorities. (Only 2% of blacks in America support Bush. Given the margin of error, that could actually translate into almost zero.)

Blacks are just a religious as whites yet they somehow have escaped the fundamentalist's dominionist aspirations to turn America into a fascist theocracy. That indicates to me that religion alone is not the deciding factor, racism is. The white racist in the South left the Democratic Party and became Republicans and voila', the fascist crooks were able to exploit that situation so as to overthrow the American government, supposedly in the name of religion but actually in the causes of racism, greed and hatred.

[ladjf]

78. Well, I sort of know how you feel. My wife and I recently bought

a nice home North of Atlanta only to discover that the area was populated solely be white, born again, right wing, Republican Bush lovers. Man it's scary. We should have investigated the demographics more thoroughly.

It's in Cherokee County. When we went to vote, we discovered that there was not a single Democrat official in the County and the only Democrats on the ballot were Kerry and Edwards. We saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said, "Go ahead nukem and take their oil."

[Laura PourMeADrink]

86. no way. Are you really in Utah ???? How did that happen?

[otohara]

75. Iowa - I Felt The Discontent

on a recent visit through Iowa (during Katrina). Those folks were different than the Nebraska crowd. The editorials of Bush/Brownie response to Katrina were scathing...

[lonestarnot]

81. Down down down into that ring of fire!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

87. you like that phrase " into the ring of fire", huh....

[lonestarnot]

91. Johnnie Cashin it!

[Zinfandel]

90. Places where I'll never want to visit again...except maybe AK...

to visit the Clinton Library, buy some Klipch speakers, pick up a southern belle, the lakes and rivers and some blues & fried chicken. (Not in that order).