Do you think a citizen should be able to buy more than 1 vehicle a year?

[TahitiNut]

Nobody needs to buy more than one vehicle a year. I sure don't need to. Let's pass laws against anything we wouldn't do ourselves, huh? After all, enormous amounts of energy are consumed in manufacturing cars and trucks. That energy would be better used to heat the homes of people who don't have guns.

How about it?

It's a waste of time just passsing laws against behavior that directly harms people. We should just go ahead and criminalize anything we don't all do. OK?

[norml]

1. What brought this on?

?

[Gormy Cuss]

24. Look around

and think 2nd amendment

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5118137&mesg_id=5118137

[norml]

32. Oh, I missed that one. I knew there must be some kind of strained analogy

going on somewhere.

I should've guessed it was inspired by some other flaming thread.

[kikiek]

2. I wouldn't do that so I would make a law restricting your restricting.

[_testify_]

3. Agreed!!!

as long as you leave the guns alone.

[billbuckhead]

4. USA has highest murder rate of advanced nations by multiples

It's our culture of life.

[TahitiNut]

8. Gee, just think of the highway deaths! Maybe we should limit it ...

... to one vehicle every FIVE years!! Yeah! That's the ticket!

[1monster]

13. Every FIVE years? Quite extravagent in MHO. My car is fifteen years old.

My husband's car is eleven years old. He traded his last on in when it was seventeen years old and we probably could have run it another four or so years...

What's with needing new cars so often? :shrug: }(

[TahitiNut]

14. Well, I agree... but I'm a "moderate" you see.

My car is 15 years old. My mother's car is 28 years old. But we sure don't want people to feel as though their opportunity to "express themselves" is being unduly inhibited, right?

Besides, we can increase it to TEN YEARS next year. (Think of all the highway taxes we could save!)

[charlie]

18. Better idea

Let everyone buy all the vehicles they want, but restrict tire ownership to 4 per household. If you're going grocery shopping, put 'em on the Suburban. Camping, put 'em on the RV. Junior's date, put 'em on the Focus. Good old American freedom of choice is preserved for all AND they're still protected from themselves. Everybody wins!

[preciousdove]

5. But those of us with a POC* have to buy more than one a year...

*piece of crap the $500 auto. Anytime you go to the shop it costs $600 so you might was well buy another POC.

:sarcasm:

[patdem]

6. This question resembles one that asks "when did you stop beating

your wife"...makes no sense to me! Are you saying ALL laws result in a police state? Are you an anarchist? WFT are you asking??????

[TahitiNut]

12. It's really quite simple.

Let's just abandon that "quaint" notion that a free society relies on having laws that the vast majority (over 90%) are willing to voluntarily comply with. Let's abandon that "quaint" notion that we should only criminalize behavior that DIRECTLY harms another person and criminalize absolutely EVERYTHING that such people do before they actually harm someone. After all, people who commit vehicular homicide have to actually buy the car before they can run someone down, right? Doesn't using up all the energy hurt us all? Of course it does!!

No longer should the question be whether it actually harms someone directly - the question should be whether we even want to "allow" some kind of behavior!

From today, we have a new principle: Any behavior we don't allow will be criminal! (Gee... that's great!)

[jobycom]

26. So, then, you're in favor of us all owning all the anthrax we want

and you will only worry about it after we mail it?

[Telly Savalas]

29. That's right. Welcome to the Libertarian Party Underground!

[Telly Savalas]

27. So we repeal DUI laws?

Even if I'm shitfaced, I haven't DIRECTLY harmed another person by driving until I actually get in a collision.

[TahitiNut]

31. Yep.

In fact, we should have a few days each year without a single traffic law. No speed limits. No DUI/DWI. No license required. Have at it.

[Telly Savalas]

34. Why limit it to a few days?

And furthermore, why don't we get the Liberal nanny state to back off with labor laws too? I should be Free to Choose if I want to send my daughter off to work in a textile factory for 14 hours a day.

Government is evil. It should be as small as possible.

[TahitiNut]

35. Feeble attempt at casuistry.

Riddled with fallacies. You lose. Thanks for playing. :shrug:

[jab105]

7. Ummm...I might need to...not my choice either...

We bought a Honda Civic Hybrid in August...because we had a 1993 Truck which 1. was a gas guzzler and 2. was half dead...

Today, we found out that my 99 Saturn is buring oil in the engine, and about to die...to fix, the engine would need to be replaced, but since its more than 140K, its not really worth it...so, we are thinking about buying a Prius for me...

What in the world else should I do...I need to go to work...my husband needs to go to work...

I don't really understand this post...previous to this year, we hadn't bought a car since 99, and before that 1993...

[lutefisk]

9. So a family of five could buy five?

Just the licensed drivers, of course. Give credits. It would take three citizen credits to buy an SUV with an 8 cylinder engine, 2 credits to buy one with a six, and 1 credit for a four cylinder SUV.

Other gas guzzlers, like the older American 8 cylinder cars so popular with the poor, would also require 3 citizen credits, effectively keeping them off the roads. Those able to afford a Prius, on the other hand, would get special "gloat" credits that they could sell to others for a profit. I can see how this kind of thing could appeal to a real cross section...

[TahitiNut]

16. Yep. We can punch their driver's license.

Next year we can limit it to every ten years. :evilgrin:

[Aimah]

10. I'd propose harder tests with a personality element.

I've had a clean driving record for years but my car gets hit by two bone heads in two weeks time. One idiot backed out of his imaginary driveway (he parks his car on the lawn) and hit my car. The other an idiot decided he didn't want to oder out of a drive thru lane so he put his car in reverse and put it in gas. Some how he didn't see me sitting there parked behind him. I'm going to start taking the bus.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

11. If it's right for gov't to limit purchases in this way...

then aren't drug laws right as well? We don't all smoke pot, after all.

[TahitiNut]

15. Hey. If we don't ALL do it, let's just make it illegal.

Whoopee! :evilgrin: All we need is a plurality, right?

[Lexingtonian]

17. If I were selling functional nuclear warheads

out of my house here in Boston suburbia and mail order to anywhere in the country...how far away would you move?

[TahitiNut]

20. Next door, of course.

:evilgrin:

[Lexingtonian]

23. How many do you need?

I'm taking orders! :D

[cynatnite]

19. If I can't then no one else can

:sarcasm:

[TahitiNut]

22. Even better: "If I wouldn't, then nobody else can."

After all, isn't that now the American Way?? Ubetcha! Arrest all them preverts!

[philarq]

21. If God had wanted people to have cars---

Intelligent Design would have provided roads without pot-holes.

[Chemical Bill]

25. What if I want a hybrid, flex-fuel, biodiesel, and electric?

Just to hedge my bets.

Bill

[TahitiNut]

28. It's not illegal to WANT. (Yet.)

:shrug:

[Cleita]

30. From someone who can barely afford to buy a vehicle every

decade, I'm amazed this would be an issue except for those lucky 5% on top of the money heap.

[Mr_Spock]

33. Yawn

Personal axe to grind eh?

[AirmensMom]

36. Nobody?

My insurance agent told me a story about one of his clients who had just bought a car and, fortunately, insured it before he left the dealership. Someone whacked him on his way home and TOTALED the car. Wasn't his fault ... so now he can't have another car?

:shrug:

[NuttyFluffers]

37. wouldn't care if they bought 'em to stick in their underwear drawer

buy 1, 2, 500 a year for all i care. stack 'em in pyramids. whatever.

what i do care is that no american be required to buy a car to survive. there's far too many places in america that without a car you're up a creek without a paddle. freedom of choice in america is an illusion, and has been for far too long.

[AntiCoup2K4]

38. The only law I would like to see regarding vehicles

Is that NOBODY gets a fucking tax write off for purchasing a gas guzzling piece of shit.(Hummers, Ford F-350's, etc.) If you want to buy one, drive one, and go bankrupt keeping the gas tank full, that's fine. Just don't ask ME to finance it by making my tax dollars pay for it.

It's bad enough that so many of these small penis compensation vehicles are on the road. It's even worse that a lot of those driving them got em for free, or close to it. in fact, that's down right criminal, given the current state of the planet.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

39. This is a joke, right?

[lutefisk]

40. I believe the "Nut" has left the building.

But only after making a point.

[TahitiNut]

41. Yes... chasing the mistakenly(?) moved thread at bedtime ...

... just wasn't worth the aggravation.

Thank you for recognizing there's a "point" to be made. I think it's tragic that so-called "liberals" can be so blindly self-righteous. Whether it's advocacy for the death penalty, criminalization of victimless behavior, accommodation of government intrusions on reproductive rights, or demonization of people with illness and disabilties, I'm frequently disgusted with the illiberal stances some take on this, a purportedly liberal/progressive board.