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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:53 PM
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What liberal started the war on christmas and didn't tell the rest of us?
The War on Christmas : How the Liberal Plot to Ban the Sacred Christian Holiday IsWorse Than You Thought

by John Gibson

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1595230165/ref=cm_rev_sort/102-8115229-3185744?customer-reviews.sort_by=-HelpfulVotes&s=books&x=12&y=6

some reviews:

"While many would rise to defend Rudolph by ascribing his popularity to the love Americans have for the underdog, I think there is something more sinister at work here, the siren call of homosexuality."

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"Mr. Gibson is right - for far too long, Christmas has been all mucked up with silly liberal ideas like "peace on Earth, goodwill towards men," while all decent God-fearing Fox newscasters know that it's really supposed to be all about celebrating the fact that Jesus likes some people (rich ones) a whole lot better than other people (poor ones)."

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"This one is up there with Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Ethics, Dante's Inferno, and The Left Behind Series.

Cogently argued, thoughtful, bold, outside the box thinking from America's finest living reporter. Comparable in American letters only to Paine's "Common Sense," in which this book abounds. Every single fact was checked, and re-checked against reality.

And if the liberals can succeed with Christmas, wait till they get their greasy little hands on Good Friday. The mind reels."

*****

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:54 PM
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1. This will fill the newswaves from either after Halloween or
after Thanksgiving. The attack of the "Happy Holidays"! Run for you lives! :sarcasm:
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:55 PM
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2. It wasnt me ???
Theyll do anything to smear us.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:55 PM
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3. Good grief
:rofl:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:55 PM
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4. The untold secret...
It wasn't the liberals, it was the Jehovah's Witnesses! After all, the date for Christmas was stolen from the pagan Yule festival. Can't have all those pagan connotations, now can we?

;)

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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:56 PM
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5. Oh dear, they have found us out
*snarf*

:rofl:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:57 PM
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6. Can we start working on Good Friday yet?
My mind is reeling with evil ideas.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:41 AM
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36. Like this guy
:rofl: I thought I was going to fall on the floor laughing..

"This one is up there with Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Ethics, Dante's Inferno, and The Left Behind Series.

Cogently argued, thoughtful, bold, outside the box thinking from America's finest living reporter. Comparable in American letters only to Paine's "Common Sense," in which this book abounds. Every single fact was checked, and re-checked against reality.

And if the liberals can succeed with Christmas, wait till they get their greasy little hands on Good Friday. The mind reels."
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:58 PM
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7. I thought the corporate world launched the war on Christmas
by shoving it down everybody's throat until the entire meaning of it has been forgotten.
Malls put up their decorations in October. Who needs 3 months of Christmas carols? The conspicuous consumption is sickening. My supermarket is selling these gigantic "snow globes" that stay inflated with some kind of electric air pump. Who needs this crap?

Does having a giant inflated snow globe or a fake reindeer or a mall filled with shoppers really reflect the meaning of Christmas?
I don't consider myself a Christian, but I find the excess surrounding this holiday sickening.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:59 PM
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10. And some giant department stores...
...put up their Christmas shit in July.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:58 PM
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8. AmeriKa"s Finest Living Reporter?!?
Good Lord we are in trouble with a capital T!
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 03:59 PM
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9. Whichever one of us started this War on Christmas should just admit it.
It wasn't me. I like cinnamon hard candies and wee multicolored lights.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:00 PM
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11. Okay. I'll confess. It was me
For over a decade I have been on a mission to destroy Christmas.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:01 PM
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12. Damn commie
Im callin McCarthy !
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:58 PM
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80. Don't you mean O'Reilly? n/t
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:02 PM
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14. Oh good, I'm glad . . .
. . . it was you. I was worried it might be me.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:05 PM
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21. Okay, assuming you do destroy the Sacred Christian Tradition...
...what are the rules in a post-Christmas world? Can I still listen to my Mannheim Steamroller holiday CDs? Are gingerbread cookies allowed, or are they a no-go?
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:23 AM
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32. Only if they're dedicated to Satan!
Or, better yet, to the faceless Satan that is godless Atheism, since liberalism is just a satanic cult masquerading as a legitimate ideology.

So as long as your gingerbread cookies are accompanied by orgiastic whoring, a ban on non-same-sex marriage, lines of coke, and burning effigies of Jesus, you can celebrate all you want.
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:07 PM
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31. Fine, destroy Christmas...
... but I have dibs on Easter! }(
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:45 AM
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38. And I was in charge of Brazil.
Thanks to me, there's no snow in this country. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:32 AM
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62. Wrong! It was the CHRISTIANS!!!!!!!!!
Ever since I've been working in retail the same shit happens: "DON'T YOU MEAN MERRY CHRISTMAS?" I don't ever change what I say to a customer I'm done with: "Thanks for coming in, and you have a good time putting that in." Between Thanksgiving and Christmas, I get lots of real snotty "don't you mean Merry Christmas?" retorts from people who can't quite understand that Exodus 20:4 (the graven-images proscription in the Decalogue) means "you're not supposed to get a huge tattoo of a cross with Jesus hanging from it, then wear a massive cross, a John 3:16 hat and a t-shirt from 'Lord's Gym--His Pain, Your Gain'."

Every fucking year I've been down here the fundies will knock on your door on December 24, with their church buses parked in my driveway, ready to take me to church to celebrate the Good News of the Miracle of Jesus' Birth. "Uhh...wasn't he actually born in April?" No, no, God decided to send down the angel in the springtime so that Mary'd have to take care of a new infant in the middle of the fucking winter. Nice guy!
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:02 PM
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13. Times have changed. In Robin Hood, it was the evil conservative who
ordered Christmas cancelled, at least in this one movie I saw.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:03 PM
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15. goddamn it now you have let the cat out of the bag
You have to attend the planning meetings if you want to keep up with what's going on. Now they're all gonna know about it. Oh well, we can always work on destroyin easter next.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:47 PM
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28. I've had my sights on Columbus day for a while...
note to self: quit blowing off the meetings and learn morse code. :smoke:
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:04 PM
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16. OK, which one of you leaked our big, secret plan?????!!!!!
We're going to have to get Fitzgerald in on this too. Who was Gibson's source????
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:19 AM
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59. STFU project X can still be salvaged! n/t
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 08:20 AM by hootinholler
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:04 PM
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17. I know which liberals did that!
It was those Puritans! And Puritans are associated with Massachusetts! (of course).

This is all documented in an excellent book "The Battle for Christmas" by Stephen Nissenbaum.

Basically, Christmas used to be a not very nice holiday, and was an occasion for rowdiness and drunkenness. It was later deliberately transformed by some people in the American upper classes into an occasion for domesticity and consumerism.

The Puritans weren't being mean by banning Christmas. Considering what Christmas was in their day, they were being sensible.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:04 PM
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18. Oh Mr. Gibons, if only we could be that organized!
I for one would be very happy not to ban Christmas (mmmm, cookies) but for liberals, as a group, to be able to plot to do ANYTHING! To bad that whole cat herding thing always gets in the way.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:42 AM
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37. We can't even fight a good war on Republicans!!
:rofl:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:05 PM
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19. Christmas is such a GAY holiday
Angel costumes

Sugar Plum Fairies

Good Will Towards Men

Three old queens traveling together...or was it kings?

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:44 AM
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68. I've always thought so.
:)
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:05 PM
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20. If it WAS a Lib then someone better call the
networks and tell them to remove that Grinch documentary. Theyve been accusing him of stealing Christmas for years.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:15 PM
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22. I did it. I was a closet elf, and all those elves who were out upset me
so much I wanted to get rid of the holiday (I'm sure all the closeted gay Republicans who work against gay rights will understand that motive).

I'd regret starting the war on Christmas now that I've embraced my elfhood, but I'm still reindeerphobic.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:16 PM
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23. Rudolph (a Commie infiltrator) the Red Menace obviously ...
... corrupted Labor (the reindeer and elves) and undermined Santa (our capitalist hero) and his Crusade to break down tariffs and regulations worldwide solely for the benefit of children! That's why Santa was crucified by the Easter Bunny, of course!!

Or something. :shrug:
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Midnight Rambler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:16 PM
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24. Almost nothing but one-star reviews
Even the positive reviews are negative. Just a bunch of sarcastic comments parodying freepers. Poor John Gibson. Must be tough being taken even less seriously than O'Reilly.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:45 AM
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69. I've never seen a review that crappy on amazon.
Kinda shocking, really. Great comments! I was laughing in my coffee.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:18 PM
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25. It was Dr. Seuss!!! He was a liberal and he had that Grinch thingy
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 04:19 PM by deutsey
steal Christmas!!! Never even once had the Whos (which rhymes with Jews, by the way...hmmmmm) talk about the reason for the season: the baybee Jayeesus.

:eyes:
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:23 PM
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26. Actually, it was started by Conservatives so they could blame it
on Liberals.

But before they get too crazy, maybe we should point out that all of the "Christmas" traditions - Christmas trees, mistletoe, gift-giving, yule logs, holly, feasting, etc. - were all PAGAN traditions from the Pagan holiday of Yule, celebrated during the winter solstice.

Christ's birthday? Christ was born in March or April, according to Christian scholars.

So, why do Christians celebrate a Pagan holiday?
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:24 PM
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27. It was me!!!
and apple pie is next...ba haaa haa haa!!!!!
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:28 PM
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72. Baseball next
You've done your part, comrade, with the pie. I've done my part to undo baseball by turning over the World Series to two teams no one gives a T)*%$^%*) about. Next year, I plan to let the whole world enter the World Series. Once an impoverished central American country beats the crap out of all the US teams, the "sport" is done for.

(Apologies to Sox and Astro fans, but really...) (Note to self: remove A's avatar :evilgrin:)
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:30 PM
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73. The above message does not reflect the views of the Oakland athletics n/t
n/t
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:32 PM
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74. Welcom to DU, btw
:hi:
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:38 PM
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76. I don't know
How you handle all the welcomes on here but I am going to post a thank you!...I am really loving this place...I read a lot more than I post right now. You all get the breaking stuff out so fast!!..It will be nice to have so many to celebrate fitmas with also.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:30 PM
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79. DU is the best
I only got through the 2004 election with the help of DU. It's my major source of news...like having a few thousand friends scour the world for stories I might like to see.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:53 PM
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29. Rudolph's gay?? I guess the shiny red nose is a give away! Too flashy.
My Fundie brothers made Christmas absolutely depressing and really turned it into a hate-fest. If anyone was caught having a good time they smacked em down fast. Same with Easter.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:06 PM
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30. My grandson wanted to be Stewie for Halloween
the kid with the football shaped head on the Family Guy. I suggested that going as John Gibson would be a lot scarier. Jeezus does that guy look like a ghoul.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:26 AM
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33. We are merely bringing DEMOCRACY to the Solstice Holiday Season
and LIBERATING the Winter Solstice.

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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:33 AM
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34. I used to love christmas as a kid for alot of reasons but now
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 01:35 AM by DanCa
the conservative meannies have just destroyed the holiday like everything else. And you know why if they would just keep there opinionated belief systems to themselves the other 11 months out of the year there wouldn't even be a problem. Plus than theres this constant you can only be a christian if your prolife meme crap that infuriates me.
So it's not the big guy in the sky i'm mad, it's all the little neo cons in the world who constantly push and bully us to submit to thier way of thinking. Oh and if anyone wants to go and protest and picket these right wing churches at any time of the year let me know ill be right there. Fyi it's the policy makers and not the people in the pews i am mad at.
Like I said I used to love christmas as a kid but where to now st. peter? I am just tired of the right shoving everything down everyone's throat
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:38 AM
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35. Read all this guys reviews here
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/AAUSVPYNJ8TDZ/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-1660272-8730406?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Here's a couple more gems!

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Edition: Paperback
Price: $10.17
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18 used & new from $6.79

147 of 174 people found the following review helpful:
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It's obvious that the authors didn't take the time to look into the truth about the war. One has to wonder why they hate freedom so passionately.

______________


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My only complaint is that the book fails to adequately address problems relating to willfulness. Indeed, the refusal of a woman to submit to her husband is only mentioned in passing. I know that Dr. Hager can give us more guidance on this particular problem. An article published today in The Nation says he has a lot of experience in dealing with it. According to the article, whenever his ex-wife refused to submit to his patriarchal authority, he'd bend her over and force her to do her marital duties, prison style. The article doesn't say whether he made her pray before, during, or after he applied the rod of correction, nor does it address the question of petroleum jelly. That's why he needs to add a section on submission in the next edition. We need to be sure that we're getting it right.
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akarnitz Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:48 AM
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39. It was me.
I just couldn't bear hearing "The Little Drummer Boy" EVER AGAIN!!!
Sorry.:blush:
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Lethe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:49 AM
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40. sacred Christian holiday? they stole it from the pagans...its called Yule.
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 02:01 AM by ikhor
they stole christmas, just like they stole easter.....directly from the Pagans. The christmas tree comes directly from pagan norse tradition. Ask your christian friend why they celebrate christmas with a tree....they wont know. Ask your christian friend where the easter bunny comes from.....hey guess what...its from the Norse pagans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

When the first missionaries began converting the Germanic peoples to Christianity, they found it easier to simply provide a Christian reinterpretation for popular feasts such as Yule and allow the celebrations themselves to go on largely unchanged, rather than trying to suppress them. The Scandinavian tradition of slaughtering a pig at Christmas (see Christmas ham), and not in the autumn, is probably the most salient evidence for this. The tradition derives from the sacrifice to the god Freyr at the Yule celebrations. Halloween and Easter are theorized to have been likewise assimilated from northern European pagan festivals.


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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:50 AM
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41. Heres a quote for ya :)
And St. Thomas Aquinas preached his Christianity over the head of fallen druid priest all the wield his sword dripping with blood.- From the trial of billy jack
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:52 AM
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42. Those reviews almost made me piss myself.
thanks alot.
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akarnitz Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:58 AM
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43. Palm Sunday: smug exploitation by the Frond Industry!
Yeah, I said it!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:58 AM
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44. Is it time to demand unconditional surrender from Santa Claus??
Or do we have to stage another offensive on the north pole??

Damn, I hope not! It was soooo cold up there!!!

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akarnitz Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:01 AM
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45. He's all snuggled up in some friggin' elf-hole.
Gimme some C-4 and a Bowie knife and I'll take his jolly ass out!
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:26 AM
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46. It's all part of the plot to replace
this sacred holiday with the ungodly liberal ritual known as "Fitzmas"! What do you want to bet that he'll plug this endlessly on his show?
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akarnitz Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:30 AM
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47. Merry Fitzmas to all!
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:18 AM
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58. Great comic relief
and much appreciated
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teamster633 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:01 AM
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48. My Latin teacher in high school always said...
...Christmas was just the Roman feast of Saturnalia in different clothing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia As others have mentioned, Christ was most likely born in April. When Constantine co-opted Christianity for his own political purposes in the third century, the divergence between what the historical Jesus taught and what we now call Christianity began in earnest. And this divergence has led us to a contemporary holiday celebrating the birth of a minister to the poor and disenfranchised that is characterized by orgiastic consumerism. But then, none of this is about religion anyways, nor has it been for centuries.
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:41 AM
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51. Funny as well
The whole Santa Claus - elves thing was taken from a CHRISTIAN tradition in the Netherlands called Sinterklaas - based on a Spanish/Turkish saint.

In Germany, he appeared as Weihnachtsmann, in England as Father Christmas, and in France, as Pèrè Noël, who left small gifts in the children's shoes.

In the 1600's, the Dutch presented Sinterklaas (meaning St. Nicholas) to the colonies. In their excitement, many English-speaking children uttered the name so quickly that Sinterklaas sounded like Santy Claus. After years of mispronunciation, the name evolved into Santa Claus.

In 1808, American author Washington Irving created a new version of old St. Nick. This one rode over the treetops in a horse drawn wagon "dropping gifts down the chimneys of his favorites." In his satire, Diedrich Knickerbocker's History of New York from the Beginning of the World to the End of the Dutch Dynasty, Irving described Santa as a jolly Dutchman who smoked a long stemmed clay pipe and wore baggy breeches and a broad brimmed hat. Also, the familiar phrase, "...laying his finger beside his nose...," first appeared in Irving's story.

Does this sound familiar?

A few weeks before his feastday St. Nicholas comes to Holland (and Belgium) on his steamer with all his "pieten" and the presents which they prepared in Spain during the year. This event can be seen on Dutch television. From his arrival in Holland till his feastday the children can put their shoes in front of the fireplace. During the night St. Nicholas visits all the houses by travelling over the roofs on his horse, traditionally a white/grey (called "Schimmel" in dutch), and "zwarte piet" enters the houses through the chimney to put little presents in the children's shoes. Sometimes the children put straw, carrots and water near the shoe for the horse.

On the eve of his feast day St. Nicholas visits all children. After knocking on the door he gives them a bag full of presents (if they were good children). If they were bad, Nick tosses them in a bag and brings them back. Early in the morning of 6 December, when he has visited everyone, he leaves and goes back silently to Spain, to come back next year.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:18 AM
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57. Ha ha - Have you read David Sedaris' "Six to Eight Black Men"?
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:24 AM
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70. "Christmas" is also a major rip-off of pre-Christian pagan...
celebrations of Winter Solstice. That's why it was moved to late December,
to meld with the centuries-old holiday that preceeded it.

Christmas trees, yule logs, and many other Christmas "traditions" are from
this European pre-Christian celebration.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:19 AM
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49. my bad guys..
it was me. That rotten St. Nick slid down my chimney and landed on my cat.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:49 AM
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50. Hey, I thought we weren't supposed to talk about Project X!
:spank:
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baron j Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:58 AM
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52. It was I.
I hate it when people shower their loved ones with thoughtful gifts, and when children get a break from school, and receive fun toys to play with. Oh, and all those yummy dinners and desserts. I absolutely must stop them!
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 07:35 AM
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53. And Rudolph is gay
Here, this is the latest, one star review--let's everyone rate this as helpful--

"In was a sad day in 1939 when Rudolph made his debut and began pushing aside the more traditional, God-fearing reindeer. Today, if Donner, Blitzen and the rest are mentioned at all it is as Rudolph's persecutors, the bullies who barred him from playing reindeer games.

While many would rise to defend Rudolph by ascribing his popularity to the love Americans have for the underdog, I think there is something more sinister at work here, the siren call of homosexuality.

Think about it. Rudolph is a "flashy" reindeer, a flamboyant reindeer. His fabulously bright red nose flouts the conventions of traditional reindeer notions of propriety, more so than even Prancer's beaded buck-purse. Rudolph obviously uses it to seduce young, inexperienced bucks in the hopes of rutting them raw.

Yes, the story of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer was the first shot in the culture wars. It's a shame that Gibson failed to include it in his book."

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 07:43 AM
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54. Don we now our gay apparel
Fa la la La la la La la la!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 07:45 AM
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55. I believe in specializing -- that's why I'm destroying Twelfth Night
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:11 AM
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56. Doesn't matter, It's Beginning to Look A Lot Like Fitzmas!
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go
There's an idictment for the brain
The one who outed Plame
and Scooter Libby is likely the next to go

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
The beltway's sure noisey
The pundits try to spin
They know they'll never win
Fox News has lost all its blusterin' glow

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Soon the court the will hear
The truth instead of lies
As Bush* sits and cries
While his ratings are minus zero in the polls

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
We all now have hope
Take a look at all your friends
Their smiles are all up-bend
The Neo-Con's stockings are full of coal



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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:24 AM
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60. The "siren call of homosexuality?"
Didn't Eddie Murphy do that in one of his standup acts?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:24 AM
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61. It was Christian Conservatives that started with "Happy Holidays"
as opposed to "Merry Christmas" because Christmas had become so associated with consumerism that it was offensive to them that Christmas was becoming associated with buying gifts instead of its original true pagan traditions. (well, the Christian Conservatives said something more like traditional Christian holiday)

So, Christian Conservatives started saying "Happy Holidays" so the season of consumerism would be associated also with Hanukkah, Kwaanza, Thanksgiving, and (of course), my birthday.
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:40 AM
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63. what amazes me is that this nuttiness is
actually believed by otherwise reasonably sane people. I've met a few of them here in Georgia and don't think this kind of garbage should be dismissed, as these people vote for bush because of crazy stuff like this.

Although I don't listen to right-wing radio, I know that must be where this stuff gets transmitted directly into the pea brains of the susceptible masses who think of themselves as victims of liberal's who work to institute fairness and equality into our social systems. Their minds are twisted into thinking that if our institutions don't favor any one religion, that means the libruls are out to take the Christmas presents out from under their trees and the turkey and gravy right out of their mouths. So they vote for republicans who take the presents, the turkey, the gravy, and the house.

Last year I was shopping in Home Depot (before I realized they were bushco). This older guy was helping me and I can't for the life of me remember what small talk brought this on, but he said to me, with this kind of pouty quivering lip and conspiratorial tone: " 'they' are even trying to kill the Easter Bunny." It was so odd. I asked him, "Who is trying to kill the Easter Bunny?" He mumbled something, I guess realizing I was probably one of the "they" and I told him not to worry, that the Easter Bunny would be okay. This was a grown man.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:26 AM
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64. Ok that's cool, just don't mess with Ash Wed.
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 09:27 AM by hootinholler
Why? Because without Ash Wed, Mardi Gras is meaningless.

-Hoot
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:35 AM
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65. Some of those reviews had me laughing so hard I was crying.
Thanks for the link. This was far more entertaining that what passes for Sunday morning news via the talking heads. :)
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:37 AM
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66. Festivus for the rest of us (nt)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:38 AM
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67. Hey, we're not the ones who cancelled Christmas.
It's the party that's responsible for all those layoffs. THEY cancelled Christmas.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:23 PM
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71. Plato Aristotle Dante and that looney tune Tim "homophobe who
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 12:24 PM by izzybeans
thinks the rapture will be kicked off by a liberal professor/gay man who has a child out of wedlock with a professional woman (literally the plot to his Prequel)" Lahaye...that quote can't be real, because anyone who adds all four of those books up and comes up with "same plane" has been fucking labotomized. :rofl:

But I do confess to being one of the minions who will bring a downfall to Christmas. Next attack: The Easter Bunny "Cause that's the story of Jesus. You know a magical bunny who poops out eggs. I'm a fundamentalist, so the magical bunny is a sign of the resurrection, just like Santa Claus delivered the baby jesus on what is now the HOLIEST of holidays."

You know when I wake up in the morning and watch my son open gifts...well that's when I release the "gaser beam".


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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:49 PM
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75. The one who started Political Correctness.
Sorry, but the obsession with preventing people from putting up stables for Christmas and saying "God Bless America" is where they get this idea from.

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teamster633 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:51 PM
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77. I've never heard of anyone objecting to putting Nativity scenes...
...in front of churches where they belong but then, we are kinda isolated up here in the Northeast.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:07 PM
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81. The ACLU has been totally misunderstood
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 04:09 PM by Pushed To The Left
on this issue. They are not against religion at all. They simply don't want the government to establish or promote one religion over the others. This is why they oppose religious displays on public property, but don't have any problem with them on private property. Here is a link to the ACLU's positions on religious freedoms. Check out the FAQs where they debunk some of the right-wing's lies:
http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyMain.cfm
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:22 PM
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78. Fitzmas is coming. He knows who's been naughty or nice.
Indictments for the naughty. Joy for the nice :bounce::bounce::bounce:


81 of 99 people found the following review helpful:
its beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas, October 20, 2005
Reviewer: cynical american (vancouver WA) - See all my reviews
Yes, there is a great fear rising that Christmas this year will be supplanted by the great holiday of Fitzmas when the right wing cabal that has been destroying our country is finally brought to terms.

It is really worse than they think. Too bad for them.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:45 PM
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82. He kind of reminds me of Kent Brockman
except for the glasses.

"Ladies and gentlemen, er, we've just lost the picture, but, uh, what we've seen speaks for itself. The Corvair spacecraft has been taken over — 'conquered', if you will — by a master race of giant space ants. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive earth men or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the ants will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to...toil in their underground sugar caves."
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