What is going to happen to the country when this is ALL over?

[...of J.Temperance]

What's going to happen to the United States when these Neo-Nazi POS are FINALLY squashed like a bug and kicked OUT?

They've created so much destruction, both domestically and abroad. It's going to take decades to recover from the orgy of carnage and damage they've created.

How is the United States going to begin to recover from this? Domestically, financially, socially and psychologically?

Where is the money to recover going to come from?

Division is a very unhealthy thing, Bush Inc. have deliberately driven wedges and opened raw nerves amongst the people, will people even be able to live amongst those who HATE them because they HATE what Bush Inc. has done...or will it become like another version of Yugoslavia?

What about recovering on the foreign stage, recovering from the Little Hitler Bully Boy years?

[GrumpyGreg]

1. We survived Watergate,we'll survive this. Be positive !

[...of J.Temperance]

3. I'm trying

But this is like 1000 times WORSE than Watergate. I worry what Bush Inc's. End Game is and I also worry about how a nation recovers from it.

[Wordie]

24. I must admit, despite the glee over where it looks like Fitz is headed,

I'm worried too, about what will come after. The country's situation is very different than it was right after Watergate.

...but, I think we will figure out a way to bounce back. What we will need ultimately is a strong, intelligent, ethical and confident new leader. Seems to me we have quite a few to choose from, so, we'll be ok in the long run, but it will be really tough for a while.

[knowbody0]

2. hopefully a great purge

getting to the base of corruption with a zero tolerance. we should declare war on corruption and appoint a czar.

[WenWorld1]

8. I am getting tired of the all negative approach

Being a Liberal (now know as Progressive) used to mean having a few original ideas. Now it means sitting on the sidelines and whining about King George. We are going to get our butts kicked AGAIN if we don't stop whining and actually suggest something. Here's an idea, how about a SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE SYSTEM like Canada? How about INCREASING THE SOCIAL SECURITY TAX RATE AND ELIMINATING THE MAXIMUM SOCIAL SECURITY EARNING RATE. More ideas, less bullshit and whining please.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Welcome to DU

and trust me many of us have been advocating single payer health for a wwile now, as well as a public education that works, police that is well funded, and a proud military taht will defend the country.

Your right to a living wage

You know the basic stuff

[newyawker99]

62. Hi WenWorld1!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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[mattclearing]

6. I will be the first to neglect to flame you.

Seriously - sorta.

:D

[adigal]

7. Thanks - because I am so torn about the south

I love Southern writers, but I hate the general ignorance I hear of. I was at a conference for teachers today, and the keynote speaker said that when she is in the south, specifically Georgia and Texas, teachers come up to her and whisper, "YOu are right, testing is ridiculous," and then tell her they have to whisper because they will be fired if they don't.

[...of J.Temperance]

28. There are some genuinely LOVELY people in Louisiana and Texas

And Arkansas and Tennessee, just COMPLETE peaches of people and really interesting to have conversations with. There's still a VERY strong Populist streak in those states...with the right candidate, a candidate like Senator Edwards for example.

[mitchum]

51. The reason that southern writers were/are exceptional...

is because they were/are the exceptions of the region.
Same for Joyce and Beckett and the whole Irish thing.

[Seansky]

48. you trying to sound like a freeper?

[adigal]

63. No, I am not trying to sound like a freeper - but removing a post

that is not anywhere near some of the things I have seen here is making this seem like Free Republic. I believe that there is a lot of ignorance and bigotry in the south, I said nothing violent, suggestive of violence, only said that I would prefer if we did not have to support the poor south with our taxes, only to be told that we are "immoral Yankees."

IF expressing an opinion in a thoughtful way gets a post removed, then this site is no better than Free Republic.

[teknomanzer]

5. I'm looking forward...

to a period where repubs will once again be a minority party... but if history is any indication American's with their short memories will elect another rebup toad.

[TahitiNut]

9. Until the 'base' is eliminated, it'll just go on.

These people have extensive support and have been slithering "up the ladder" for years, infiltrating school boards, local government, state government, national government, multinational corporations, and religious groups. All this time they've been sowing bigotry, greed, division, fear, jingoism, and superstition and pandering to ignorance.

It just ain't about one or two elections.

[...of J.Temperance]

10. I agree completely

So how do we go about eliminating that Fundie nutjob base? We all know that they're a cancer on decent society and that they've spread like a bad disease...so how do we go about removing them?

I do have my own theory, which would basically use the Patriot Act to root them out and round them up and then put them all in our own special Gitmo's...that's what I'd do, because they're lower than whale shit and deserve NO mercy whatsoever.

However, what's the other way of eliminating them?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Then yuo are no better then they are

that said... we will need to work at it... and very hard... look the base exists in EVERY nation and under the right conditions they spread...

[...of J.Temperance]

17. Well yes, but I just feel that they NEED to be punished

That we cannot let these pigs get away with this, with what they've done and what they've supported.

Normal people need a plan, that plan would be about finding a way to NEVER allow these freaks near any form of power EVER again.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. That is what the justice system is for

They will be punished and have to be punished, preferably in a very open WORLD COURT case... the country needs it for other reasons.

But we cannot use something like the UN Patriot Act... we need to use the Law... and the Nuremberg Indictments are a good precedent.

[...of J.Temperance]

31. We MUST use that system then

But I'm not sure that the DNC has the balls to do it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Do you have the balls?

A lot of what happens will surely depend on you and me, and how we react to this... and what we demand... but this country needs Glassnost and Perestroyka

[...of J.Temperance]

36. 'Um, not in a LITERAL sense mon amie ;)

And neither do I suspect that you do ;) However, I understand what you're getting at.

We actually need a sit down with a combination of Democratic institutions, because we need them as they hold the donor Rolodex and they need us, because let's face it, we've got more common sense and gut instinct than they have.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. there yuo go

it will be us driving this train, as a student of history I know that we lead, they follow.

Rarely do politicos lead, very rarely

[kestrel91316]

59. The Christofascists are NO BETTER than the Islamofascists.

It's that simple. Both are our worst enemies.

It's about the fundamentalism/Dominionism, folks.

[Athame]

29. We need to shame them.

I know, it goes against the progressive grain, but we need to make it absolutely shameful to hold the view of "I got mine, and the rest of you go to hell." I am convinced that most are just bandwagon folks. They support whomever they perceive are on the winning team. So the best way to take them down is through ridicule and direct confrontation. Look at the way George Galloway does it. We all need to adopt at least some of the willingness to stand up and say, "ENOUGH!" This includes the polite religiosity. We need to stand up for every position, especially atheists, Muslims, and Pagans--at school board and PTA meetings, at children's clubs such as Scouts and sports teams, art museums and certainly in local politics. We need to support living wage laws VOCIFEROUSLY and we need to shout down ordinances such as the no-sleeping laws they put in place to eliminate the homeless. We need to DEMAND GLBT rights--marriage, adoption, survivorship, all of it. We need to stand up and walk the line for labor--the grocery workers, the teachers, the firefighters, the farm workers. And we need to do it boldly, without a hint of embarassment or hesitation. Most of all, we need to PAY ATTENTION to these small offices and vote and watch the voting mechanisms and RUN for offices ourselves or encourage others to run. And, of course, we need to MARCH on the MEDIA, not giving an inch, and KEEP IT UP until the tide is turned. :rant:

[...of J.Temperance]

32. Yes, EXACTLY what you said, I nominate that n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. President Clinton brought us back from the brink of the repukes

almost immediately! Have a little faith in us. Clinton said 'there is nothing wrong with American that can't be fixed with what is right with America." I believe him! Clinton also said that they(the repukes) need a divided nation, we don't. He's right there!

"Where is the money to recover going to come from?" The richest 1%, that's where! Make the richest among us pay their fair share and likewise the Corporations!

[...of J.Temperance]

16. Senator John Edwards can be our next President Clinton

That man is gifted beyond belief and he's got the ability of being able to speak to the people we need to reach.

I agree that we have no other option but to have a MASSIVE tax hike on that richest 1% and we also have to have a MASSIVE windfall tax on the big corporations, we also need to dramatically slash the military budget...but I'd like some revenge too, I'd like to CUT TO THE BONE spending in Repuke districts and Repuke states, I'd STARVE Utah and Idaho for example because these freaks need to be PUNISHED for supporting the Neo-Nazi's.

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Edwards is truly a man of the people! I agree there. And making the

richest among us pay their fair share is what is needed along with the Corps paying their fair share and also tax them for outsourcing our jobs. Slashing the military budget is also a must. It's bloated beyond belief. You have some very good ideas. Ever consider running for public office? :-)

[...of J.Temperance]

27. Yes, tax them for outsourcing

They're bleeding jobs, jobs that under the current circumstances will never return. We're going to need another New Deal combined with the Great Society.

Running for public office...funny you should mention that but just a few weeks ago, some friends and I were discussing this very subject and I said that within the next few years I was seriously thinking about running for some sort of public office in Louisiana.

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. Think on it seriously! And I mean that! Louisiana could use you.

:-)

[...of J.Temperance]

35. I am thinking :)

Seriously :) Right now I'm working for my Dad in the family firm, but I know in my heart and in my soul that for me, the future is in some form of political office. Government is there for the people, it's there to HELP the people and a lot of people need help and I'd like to try and contribute something to society to help those people.

I'm still only young, I haven't reached the age of 30 yet. But I'll run for office.

[SammyWinstonJack]

37. Well heart and soul is all you need and it seems you have that in

spades! Bide your time, gather experience and then GO GET 'EM! :evilgrin:

[...of J.Temperance]

43. Oh heck :)

I will, I'm just waiting for the moment and then I'll pounce :nuke: :kick:

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. I have faith in you! Remember DU when you rise to fame in the political

arena! We have your back! :-)

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Could even save some moolah, by "hiring" some DU'ers to do

the research

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. So true! DU researchers are the best! And they work cheap! LOL

DU :yourock:

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. My editor is working for burritos, true story

but yeah...

[SammyWinstonJack]

50. burritos..yum! LOL! nt

[...of J.Temperance]

55. Okay, it's a pre-election deal

I don't know about Burrito's...how about Milk Dud's and A&W Root Beer and Cream Soda instead? And some bottles of Tequila of course!

[...of J.Temperance]

53. Thanks and I'll remember

It's bound to happen that the Repuke smear machine will head after me...but the DU Truth Squad will shoot them down like flies :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Ching, Ching

that sound you hear is the slide going back and forth, getting a bullet ready for the shooting.

[...of J.Temperance]

58. Those freaks aren't going to stand a CHANCE!

Not in a million.

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. Not to worry,we have your back! DUers are a loyal bunch! nt

[...of J.Temperance]

61. I know and it's a good thing n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Roll up yer sleeves and get to work

and teach the children... so we don't get to this point ever again, or at least in my lifetime

[...of J.Temperance]

18. I want too

But I don't know who to work with, who has the power to actually debate a plan and put that plan into place.

As a side point, what are your psychic vibes saying about Bush Inc?

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Well hopefully the demos will come with a plan

but I will tell you what you can start pressing your reps on....

national health care

Living Wage

Elimination of personhood for corporations, though that will require the courts...

This is the tip of the ieceberg

What is my tummy telling me, the begining of the end is near... and I mean it, the begining of the end... indictments are just that, the begining of the end.

[...of J.Temperance]

38. A payroll tax cut

And a roll back of Junior's trillion dollar tax hikes would be good too.

Oh heck, I hope you're right, that it's the beginning of the end.

[Aristus]

14. When this is all over?

We'll have a decade-long party that'll make the 1970's look like an IBM management seminar!

:party::toast::beer::toast::bounce::bounce::bounce::toast::beer::toast::party:

[...of J.Temperance]

19. With Tequila too? :) n/t

[Aristus]

23. Yep. Cuervo1800. The best there is.

We'll put on some Roger Cline and the Peacemakers, knock back some tequila........and PARTY!!!!!

[...of J.Temperance]

39. Fab! We could like have a dummy run...tomorrow or something

;)

[ladjf]

25. If that were to happen, there would be a world wide healing of

human suffering, the likes the which the world has never experienced.
It would show that with it's flaws, the American form of government is capable of sustaining itself under terrible odds. The people of the world would embrace us, grateful that we were able to kick the thugs out and return the U.S. to it's former position of loved and respected leadership.

The media would be regulated by disallowing the consolidation of ownership. The petroleum industry would be brought under control. Our military would be withdrawn from all wars of greed and power lust, used only for the real defense of the country. The religious right-wing fanatics would be relegated to their local hangouts, forbidden by law to practice Dominions politics rather that ethical religion. The voting system would return to hand written ballots, counted under the supervision of bipartisan committee, with no party affiliated State attorney generals in charge of elections. Congress would restore policies intended to protect the poor, elderly, middle and lower income people. The immoral and stupid tax windfalls for the super rich who don't even need the money will be rescinded.

Having said all of that wish list, I'm not at all confident that we'll ever be able to kick the crooks out. Because, the crooks in office are only representatives of the large corporations, who own our present government lock, stock and barrel. They are going to be difficult to oust. They've got money and know how and are willing to do anything to keep it. Yet, it could be done.

The 2006 election will tell us whether we will make it our not.

[savemefromdumbya]

26. we, the taxpayers are paying for these idiots

our precious earnings are being squandered by this junta.

[JAbuchan08]

34. It's never over

we might get a respite, but it will never be "over" over, Cheney was waiting in the wings after Nixon went down after all.

[Athame]

40. I think it was Gloria Steinhem who said:

The revolution must be fought again every generation.

But perhaps that is a good thing. We have allowed ourselves to forget what was hard won: Labor rights, voting rights, and apparently, even freedom of religion, press, speech, and assembly. We cannot take anything for granted and we must teach our children what we have learned. We have to teach them critical thinking, discernment, and how to stand up to bullies. We can create art and tell the stories, make legends out of the Cindy Sheehans, Paul Wellstones, and Medea Benjamins, so that they inspire lives the way that the founders and the suffragists did.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Don't forget Jefferson

we need a revolution every now and again, he wrote that after the 1800 mess...

[mitchum]

49. Soviet style denazification would work for me

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. That is why we need open and very OPEN trials

and we need to expose to the shiny light of day, all the things that have been done in our name starting in 1980

[kestrel91316]

57. Which one of the Founding Fathers said:

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.........

We are NEVER going to let this happen again. We are NEVER going to become complacent and let the fascists sneak up on us and nearly destroy the republic. NEVER AGAIN.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Jefferson or Franklin

I am not sure.