Anybody hear Gergen on Lou Dobbs? WOW!

[napi21]

He said the wheels have come off the wagon, and it's going to be very difficult if not impossible for George Bush to put them back on!

There's an arrogance that seems to come with a second term, no matter wether they're Dem or Pub, that makes them do things they shouldn't.

His closing words were referencing what Reagan did when he had the Iran Contra problem. He CLEANED HOUSE! He threw everybody out and started over. It gave him a new starting slate!
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Now, I know lots of you dislike David Gergen, but he's a pretty middle of the road guy. He rarely gets this dramatic with his speach!

I also don't believe Shrub is smart enough to use the "clean house" idea of Reagan. That decision will bring him down with the rest of them!

[aquart]

1. Sweet how he managed to equate Clinton's peccadillo with treason.

[OzarkDem]

31. Gergen must be worried

about whether he can jump ship from the Repubs again and get hired on by gullible ITBW Dems. No sweat, David, some idiot Dem is still paying Shrum, so I'm sure you can still find a job.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

64. No kidding

If Shrum shows up again in any serious Democrat Presidential campaign, I'm going to have to give up my citizenship and move to Switzerland.

WHY DO THEY HIRE THESE LOSERS?

[shraby]

2. Only problem..this all happened in his first term.

Just got caught in his second.

[Roland99]

3. Thing is, most of this admin's crimes came in the FIRST term.

They've been spending the second term on a pure propaganda tour (Social Security) and covering their asses from their first-term crimes.

[alfredo]

4. We don't know how many of bush's underlings have something on

him. If he doesn't clean house it will be because he can't.

[xray s]

5. and you know what?

all those guys Reagan threw out came back in with BushCo.

Bush will go down with them all. He doesn't know anyone else.

[cassiepriam]

13. So this means they will just come back again.....and again and again.

Like vampires.

[jwirr]

29. They should be getting too old to come back soon.

[cassiepriam]

51. we can hope

[Protagoras]

39. I think we know how to deal with vampires

holywater and...SUNSHINE!

[cassiepriam]

53. well there is plenty of water and sun in FL....

[Jackpine Radical]

49. Sounds like an old Waylon & Willie song.

[Glenda]

37. Interesting! Which ones? n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

55. Poindexter for one. Lots more, but I'm too brain-dead to go down in the

cellar & dig their names out of LTR.

[sandnsea]

59. A bunch

Elliott Abrams, Otto Reich, Negoponte, John Poindexter, Richard Armitage, Michael Ledeen, they just keep popping up all over the place.

[sandnsea]

50. Gergen has no sense of history

I know he's called on to represent an historical aspect of the Presidency, but he flubs it all the time. He should have mentioned that Bush brought back in all the scum that Reagan cleaned out, you have to wonder about his true motivations when he doesn't.

[kstewart33]

6. I like Gergen - he's one of the few talking heads

who is not a hack. I disagree with him on occasion but he's fair-minded.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. He's a hack

A Republican whore who tries to give the impression that he's quite reasonable and quite moderate.

Not so. He's a Republican shill who'll do anything for attention. He's the perfect hack.

[acmejack]

23. Thank you

concur

[OzarkDem]

33. Uberhack

I can't believe Clinton hired him. His advice was bad and he knifed Clinton in the back afterward.

[Carni]

47. I can't stand him either so if he's cutting bait maybe they are going down

He has consistently stated previously that this is a "nothing illegal here" kind of a deal.

This type of talk is certainly a departure from his usual crap.

[DaveinMD]

68. he also worked for Clinton

he's a moderate.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

69. No, he's not

Just read what's been posted here about his "work" for Clinton, then read his history.

He's anything but moderate.

[BootinUp]

35. since my other post is being ignored

I'll jump in here to say you are quite correct about Gergen. Anyone claiming he is a RW shill, is partisanly blinded to the extreme.


Come and get me y'all! lol.

[Hamlette]

41. he's not a far right wing shill and I admire him for agreeing to

help bail out Clinton but his book, with his chapter on Clinton, made it clear he favors the right...a little too much to my liking. The chapter on Clinton was gossipy and nasty.

He's conservative but I don't think he drank the Kool Aid. Like a moderate Buchannon.

[OzarkDem]

42. How did he "bail out" Clinton?

As I recall, none of the advice he gave was worth much.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

44. Appease, appease, appease

Clinton gave the impression of being far more amenable to the right wing when he brought in Gergen, who was worthless in terms of substance, who immediately wrote a book about it when he left, and who was nothing more than window-dressing.

Whores are worth as much as you think they are. He was just a figurehead

[Hamlette]

54. I give him credit for agreeing to do it. n/t

[OldLeftieLawyer]

60. Huh?

Why on earth give him "credit"? He got status, the appearance (unearned) of some sort of "elder statesman" role, and then he promptly betrayed the man who had hired him. But only after doing absolutely nothing to earn his pay.

And, what I particularly like, he has never been accorded the "elder statesman" status he so craves, because he's a perfect sell-out, even working as the token conservative at the JFK School at Harvard.

[Cha]

7. And bush picked up the reagun

and nixon criminals for his regime.

Was it gergen who said the other night he thought dick cheney was an "honest man"?

[salinen]

12. Yup,

anyone who thinks Dick is honest is borderline whacked.

[WI_DEM]

8. But David, What if Bush is involved himself?

"When did the president know and when did he lie about it?"

[Gloria]

9. Cleaned house....pardoned them all, protected himself....and all we

got out of the deal was Ollie North...STILL ON TV!

[Gabi Hayes]

10. total total bullshit about Iran Contra

Reagan was out of it by then (in no condition to make any substantive decisions), and the media helped cover up that massive scandal, with LOTS and lots of help from the likes of, surprise....Lee Hamilton, and other dems!


sound familiar?

Firewall, by Lawrence Walsh

[wishlist]

11. Where can Bush find any 'clean' Republicans to replace tainted ones?

All the right wingers and neocons are compromised or corrupted. Bush would have to go outside his trusted groupies to bring in more moderate people who have not and will not go along with the Bush/Cheney ideology.

[napi21]

15. You're right, but if he doesn't I really do believe he will go down

with the rest of them!

The more I hear each day, the more I believe in the statement by John Dean. "It'll be WORSE than Watergate!"

[jedr]

14. Perhaps the house will be cleaned for the very top down;

The most important thing is to remove the neocon influence and maybe things will start to get sane again.

[Justitia]

16. Reagan "cleaned house" - that's rich. His people were indicted!

Like he had a choice - ha!

"Cleaned house" must mean "went to the Big House" in repug-speak.

Regan administration - most indicted / convicted criminals than any other administration in the 20th century.

http://christian-dem-in-nc.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/17/194133/16

I love revisionist history.

[napi21]

17. "Most indicted/criminals in history. Wait! History is about to be

updated!!! New #1.

[Justitia]

18. Fingers crossed - here's hoping!

:)

[Disturbed]

22. Gergon also said on Smerf Ball that..

Lon Cheney was an honest man and that he (Gergon) cannot believe that Cheney would have done anything illegal. So much for Gergon's credibility.

[kskiska]

34. Lon Cheney? You mean the Wolf Man? Man of a Thousand Faces?

Yeah, I guess he was an honest man. LOL! I think you meant Dick.

[librechik]

61. Evil Dick Cheney you mean--and that "honest " remark

made me laugh out loud!

Gergen is a paid whore who ought to be evacuated from DC at the same time as Shrub. They all have Stockholm syndrome.

[cantstandbush]

70. "Reagan cleaned house" but he didn't step down so it wasn't a clean

sweep.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

19. Gergen a "middle of the road" guy?

Oh, darling. He's as Republican as they come, deigning to take jobs with Democrats for the right price and the proper prestige, but he's always been a right-wing shill.

I'd like to see the justice system clean Fuckface's house - the one in which he and his cronies have been illegally squatting for five years - and then put a torch to them.

Put no credence in what Gergen says. Just another attention-seeking whore.

[BootinUp]

27. Just curious

What conservative commentators on PBS or major news networks are not RW shills in your humble opinion.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

43. TV?

Oh, you're serious?

Who watches TV news?

I'm a reader and an old Washington lawyer and I'm fond of public forums in which different pundits appear and speak, sometimes spar.

TV cleans up all sorts of sludge far too neatly. It makes all extremes appear palatable to the unwitting public. Like the ones who watch TV and think they're seeing what's there, when, in fact, they're just reacting to good lighting..

[BootinUp]

45. Ok

Hey I didn't ask you that, I was trying to see if your pov with regard to pundits was even in the same realm as Mr or Mrs Average.

Tv cleans up all the shilling then? Now your confusing me.

While I pointed to tv (which is where the op topic originated from), the question wasn't necessarily limiting in that way so comments about conservative pundits that don't appear on tv might be interesting to hear.

Maybe you are avoiding talking specifics cause you are having second thoughts about the RW shill comment?

As to why I am taking up this discussion, I feel that bloggers tend to make discussions about good bi-partisan efforts pretty much impossible anymore and that is a shame especially for the minority party.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

46. Read your question again

You specifically asked me about TV commentators.

I answered your question quite clearly.

[BootinUp]

52. Your old eyes are suspect.

I did not ask you about the tv medium as a source of news. I did re-read my question after your first reply. And I expanded the scope for you already.

Don't worry, I am not holding my breath. Cya.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

58. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, well, you know, my old eyes....................

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks for the laugh, you little doll. That was adorable.

[BootinUp]

63. heh.

Glad you liked it. :)

[wishlist]

21. Yesterday Gergen said he was sure Cheney was honest and innocent

I was astounded that he would extoll Cheney's virtues including honesty and decency and seem so sure that Cheney was innocent of any wrongdoing in the leak. I emailed Gergen to let him know that I disagreed with his assessment in light of Cheney's blatant lies about Iraq and Halliburton (and having never met John Edwards) and Cheney's f-you remark to Sen. Leahy.

[shance]

24. Cleaned house? Are you aware it is precisely because of Iran/Contra

and the lack of accountability and the green lights of pardons given to war criminals that we are dealing with such corruption with the SAME people today?

[Elwood P Dowd]

25. David enjoys running around naked with Henry Kissinger

at the Bohemian Grove.

[librechik]

62. The Gip was there too, don't forget

they've all er held hands together and burned the owl. If you know what i mean. Bob Woodward is there too.

[Elwood P Dowd]

65. Yep

Crazies are running our country.

[indepat]

26. Any house-cleaning the Gipper did was get rid of those who did his

bidding, many have been pardoned, and many infest this administration. I still say Senator Baker said good-by to his presidential hopes in hoping to save the Reagan presidency which was in disarray. But what do I know?

[jwirr]

28. Even if he wants to start a new slate I suspect that

he will have trouble finding people who want to chance going down with him again. When JFK picked his cabinet there were many top quality professionals who wanted to work with him - that is what made his administration so efficient. But when you have someone unpopular like this you do not find too many people who are qualified) willing to give up a successful position in order to chance falling on their face.

[jimshoes]

38. Shrub's only selling point

was that he would surround himself with good people. We all knew the people he would be surrounding himself with would be rats and now that they will be leaving him shortly, that will leave poor old numbdick twisting in the wind without a clue of what to do next. That is just unthinkable. The man is a dope.

ed sp.

[punpirate]

30. And what would the purpose of this house-cleaning be?

To save the presidency of a phony, lying, far-right, narcissistic faux cowboy with a bad habit of starting wars for his own amusement.

If Gergen is so "middle-of-the-road," why does he think Junior deserves saving?

[napi21]

66. I don't know that he was talking about his (Gergen's) wishes, but

about "every President" wanting to save his legacy.

Now, I don't think Shrub's legacy is savable, but I think Gergen was saying IF he has a chance of saving it, the only option would be to clean house and start over.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

32. This happened in the first term. They were always arrogant, lying

scum that they are.

[Edgewater_Joe]

36. Gergen's Right - Which Is Why Dear Leader Won't Do It

I've had conversations about this with friends, and over and over they've pointed out that Reagan was smart enough to both fire people (Watt) and make sure guys jumped on the sword for him (Poindexter). By doing that, he was able to keep pretty much above the political fray. Had Reagan been around on 9/11, you bet your ass that the CIA and FBI heads would've rolled within days -- and if people lied about weapons they would've been gone too.

Now I'm not defending Reagan on a policy level. I'm sure that guys who would've been fired would've then been rewarded with jobs at Bechtel or Carlysle or Heritage, but at least he would've been able to hold up a fig leaf of action.

Dear Leader, by contrast, never does anything wrong! So firing people is simply not part of their equation ... and, at long last, that inability to assign SOMEbody to take some blame has been teething on his ass, threatening to turn bloody at any minute.

[yurbud]

40. Bush can't clean house--no one would be left to tell him

what to do.

And without someone like Karl Rove to bully and intimidate the press, Bush would quickly be exposed as what he is-- a spoiled retarded frat boy with an appetite for coke and male prostitutes.

[DLnyc]

48. Bush is apparently psychologically unable to fire anyone. In the rare

cases where an insider has told him he was wrong, and therefore had to be excised, shrub had someone else do it (e.g. Paul O'Neil says in his book he was canned by a call from Cheney, not from shrub. My theory: shrub is tortured by the knowledge that he really isn't qualified for his job (or pretty much any job, for that matter), and giving someone the old heave ho hits too close to home for him. Of course, not firing a host of treasonous leakers and perjurers will highlight this pathological hangup of shrub's, not to mention causing chaos in the remaining shreds of what was the BushCo administration.

My prediction: shrub will crack under the pressure and be eased out for 'health reasons'. Only question is who will be the new vp-soon-to-be-pres? Probably more adult repubs will insist on a moderate, since any BushCo/DeLay type will only end up going up in flames soon after taking office.

[Marr]

56. They commited treason in their FIRST term.

[No Exit]

57. But... I don't want 'em to clean house--I want them to resign in disgrace!

[Lefty48197]

67. Gergen, this makes you a weathervane.

You can tell us which way the wind is blowing. Big fuck*ng deal. Please stop occupying seats that could be occupied by actual journalists. Thank you.