Larry Johnson: Fitzgerald Looking at 22 Indictments

[Stevendsmith]

A New Tidbit on the Plame Affair

by

Larry C. Johnson

Had lunch today with a person who has a direct tie to one of the folks facing indictment in the Plame affair. There are 22 files that Fitzgerald is looking at for potential indictment . These include Stephen Hadley, Karl Rove, Lewis Libby, Dick Cheney, and Mary Matalin (there are others of course). Hadley has told friends he expects to be indicted. No wonder folks are nervous at the White House.

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/10/a_new_tidbit_on.html

[crispini]

1. 22 "files" - is that people or actual indictments?

Boy, there goes my pick in the indictment pool if it's people. That's way more than I thought! :bounce:

[jsamuel]

40. "files" would mean people

pretty sure

[Fridays Child]

109. I assume it means counts--one person can be charged with multiple counts.

nt

[katty]

50. 22 has been mentioned in various reports - more fuel to fire

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

2. Don Imus, this morning, on Mary Matalin:

"I hope she doesn't get indicted. Of course, it wouldn't be the first time she was in handcuffs."

Apparently they are friends, according to Imus anyway...

[panader0]

James Carville

What's Carville's take on All this?

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

27. I haven't heard a word out of him.

And if his "better half" does get indicted, he'll have an awkward time speaking out in her defense.

[MADem]

61. Hell, my take is she would flip before going to jail

Full testimony, a label as an unindicted co conspirator, sing, sing, sing. She returns to private life, raises her kids, and ghost writes for James, who is dyslexic anyway.

[lovuian]

31. He's a traitor just like his wife!!! It was a power marriage!!!

Actors of the play!!!

[anitar1]

67. Wouldn't buy a used car from either of them.n/t

[Name removed]

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[Gloria]

55. Carville is currently preoccupied with sending out fundraising letters

for Bob Casey in PA. Just got one.

[Pachamama]

86. There was word today that the two of them were here in the Bay Area for a

"evening with Carville and Matalin" type event at the Paramount theatre...If I hadn't needed to be home with the Pachababies and taking care of a sick Pachapapa home sick with the flu, I would have LOVED to have gone and listened to that event....I'm sure it was scheduled months ago and I would have loved to see if someone asked the question "burning" on all of our minds: "So, James, what are you going to do when Mary is indicted?"

:eyes:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

57. Picture this six months from now...

...ABC's This Week with guests James Carville on set and Mary Matalin by remote from a women's penitentiary just yammering back and forth like always, except Carville seems much happier that he's ever been---now that's some Sunday morning talking head action I'll wake up for.

[RamboLiberal]

81. They can do the Mother's Day Show with Timmy Russert

with Matalin yammering from a prison!

BTW, I want to hear little Timmy's part in this escapade, as well as Tweety's and the other press whores!

[EVDebs]

62. Conjugal visitation rights !

[DemFromMem]

74. Comments on Judy Miller

When Judy went to jail, he said in an interview she was worried more about the 5th Amendment than the 1st Amendment.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

77. Carville is a fake

How else could he be married to someone who's so connected to creating a fascist state?

[Devil Dog Dem]

108. Hardly. Carville and Begala are awesome.

If Gore or Kerry had brought these guys onto their teams they would have won.

Don't let his marriage to Mary Matalin cloud your judgment on his abilities or dedication to the Democratic party.

[Pachamama]

85. That he'll be a single parent?

:shrug:

[McKenzie]

10. is that "criminal handcuffs" or am I getting the wrong end of the stick?

strictly speaking, that is?

Just curious...pant pant

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

26. Imus was leering and not talking about criminal handcuffs. n/t

[AuntiBush]

76. Imus is for *!

[davidinalameda]

102. thank you

I need to go rinse my mind out with peroxide

[elfin]

3. Larry Johnson is a pretty

reliable source - formerly with CIA - still lots of "connections" - I feel more optimistic based on this. Previously thought they might skate with the help of Judy.

Still might be mostly underlings - hope Fitzgerald goes for the whole loofah.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

21. the whole Falafel, PLEASE. we aren't doing a CIA-drug scandal thing or

we would be calling it the Whole Enchilada.

[elfin]

48. Oops what was I thinking? eom

[blm]

37. That's how I feel, too, elfin. Makes me more optimistic coming from him.

When he turned on BushInc over 2 years ago, I knew it was big, as he was very loyal to Bush1 and the CIA and regularly dumped on Clinton.

I knew if he and other agents were turning on this WH, then a really epic battle was brewing within the agency and with the WH.

[Halliburton]

4. is hannah included?

[okieinpain]

5. mary matalin, wow. I wonder if that's why there are reports of

loud arguments coming from her house at night.

[graywarrior]

8. No wonder Carville looks like shit these days

[EST]

16. He does!

Definition time: shit="conservative movement"

[SteppingRazor]

12. Oh, I imagine it wouldn't be any different than any other night...

The Matalin/Carville home is likely the noisiest in Washington :evilgrin:

[opihimoimoi]

39. Wasn't her nickname MARY THE MOANER??? jus askin

[SpiralHawk]

6. Dear Fitzie: Don't forget Jeff Gannon/Guckert

Or -- I would bet a doughnut on it -- there will be HURT FEELINGS.

[berner59]

15. If Mary, then what about Karen??

Weren't they both part of WHIG??? Oh to see Hughes indicted...joy...rapture!!

[AllyCat]

38. Karen Hughes on Today show this morning

It was sickening to watch Katie Couric's little lovefest with her and her standing as "Madam Secretary" with all the softball questions and opportunities to talk about how great she's doing. No mention of her troubles in Turkey and Egypt. Just a lovefest.

Appalling way to start the day.

[katty]

51. Sickening, Karen cowgirl bush-hack +katie's cutseysmiles

[pokercat999]

54. I'll bet Karen would like to get a little taste of Katie. sorry

hahahha that's a lie I'm not sorry at all.

[itzamirakul]

90. Just asking, but why...

do you guys waste even five minutes of your time watching the TODAY show? It is such an obvious platform for the GOP and Katie makes the average Dem want to vomit.

I stopped watching that show shortly after Gumbel left and I haven't missed it one bit since I stopped.

[Sequoia]

100. I stopped after Jane Pauley left.

That Katie is just a sick little cow. Every now and then I'll turn to it as I'm surfting to get to Elmos World to catch Mr. Noodle (I haven't grown up yet!) and one morning last spring she was doing a broadcast at some upcoming sport event and she was jumping on this big black man and wrapping her legs around him. So shameful and unprofessional, little hussy. The man was very embarassed and I could tell he wanted to push her off.

[itzamirakul]

104. Well, now....I love Elmo and Mr. Noodle, too and I just turned

68. Never get too old for Elmo's World.

BTW. Now I can't stand Katie, but I might want to jump up and wrap my legs around a big black man too. I'm still a shameless hussy, even at my age. LOL
'Course that's probably the position they would have to put me in traction - like a cartoon character, arms akimbo and legs splayed out!
:)

Please everyone, don't take offense, I'm just kidding around!

[Sequoia]

106. Well, I sure hope I feel that way when I'm there.

It could've been a green man. I just thought it was very unladylike and I was embarrased. That's what you do when you've had too many sips of wine, AND NOT ON NATIONAL TV. He was a hunk though. Maybe Katie wasn't getting her back scratched. Hey, I'm probably a granny but I still get the wolf treatment when I pass a construction site.

And I miss the old Mr. Noodle too. He just made the little tots laugh. Sadly, he died of AIDs.

[AllyCat]

107. Husband turned it on to watch weather, then left.

I was snuggling the cats and didn't want to disturb them...and on she came. No remote in sight. I'd never really seen her before and thought "this oughtta be disgusting" and I was right.

It was eventually worth disturbing the cats' little respite to turn it off. I had no idea she did that smiley-cutesy thing. And she's a reporter? I answered a poll about media and they wanted my opinion on her. I didn't know what she was like so I declined to comment. Figured maybe I was missing something.

I wasn't.

[Nightjock]

93. No wonder thier ratings are way down

I think ABC is beating them now

[corky44]

23. speaking of handcuffs

[EST]

7. Hadley expects to be indicted!

Too far out-what a trip.

[Halliburton]

17. hopefully he can get a new pair of glasses

[TexasLawyer]

79. maybe the prison will issue Mr. Hadley

some more fashionable eyewear.

[symbolman]

97. Gotta love that

"Fearless Fly" look..

for you older kids, you'll remember :)

[RedEarth]

9. Wouldn't that be sweet...just clean house..

bush would be so freaking lost he wouldn't know what to do.

[Stevendsmith]

11. DICK CHENEY!!!!!

Someone pinch me.

[Kolesar]

65. Daniel Schorr was thinking "unindicted coconspirator" for Beast & Cheney

in one of his NPR commentaries a few weeks back. Nixon was named "Unindicted Coconspirator", back then.

[LiberalEsto]

13. The 22 Indictments of Fitzmas

One the first day of Fitzmas, Fitzgerald gave to me
The head of Dick Cheney.

On the second day of Fitzmas, Fitzgerald gave to me
Two counts on Karl Rove
and the head of Dick Cheney.

On the third day of Fitzmas, Fitzgerald gave to me,
Three perjuries for Libby
Two counts for Karl Rove
And the head of Dick Cheney...

you get the idea...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

78. I love it!

That will be my next Christmas' carol.

[jobycom]

14. I hope Fitzgerald rumors are more reliable than Katrina rumors.

It will be interesting to see what really happens. There should be an official leak somewhere, especially if Cheney is indicted. That's not something you just spring on a nation unprepared. You leak it, give it time to season with the people first. You don't just call a press conference and say "Alright, we've indicted the following people. Dick Cheney..."

[lanlady]

18. clarification

That means 22 people in total, not 22 charges, right?

[Stevendsmith]

22. The text seems to indicate that "file" = person (N/T)

[pinto]

35. I think file=indictment. As in "there were 12 indictments filed against"..

I could very well be wrong, but it seems as if an indictment constitutes a "file".

[astroBspacedog]

58. It Depends What Type of File They're Referring To.

If I were under investigation for committing a crime, whoever was investigating would most likely have a file (on me) to examine, -- so they can determine if it's necessary to file an indictment against me.
I'm a carpenter so I have a set of wood files, but I don't think they were discussing that.

[deadparrot]

19. If true, Cheney on the indictment list is a HUGE (HUGH?) deal.

:D

:popcorn:

[unhappycamper]

32. Yes, it could be HUGH. n/t

[Jim__]

20. Here's hoping Larry's right! n/t

[0007]

44. I think Larry is right on, Jim!

[bluestateguy]

24. He should not leak grand jury information

It's just not right, and besides, it only gets people's hopes up over here.

[RedEarth]

25. Here's a little bio information on those folks

This list is from ThinkProgress and it also includes poor george...

23 Administration Officials Involved In Plame Leak
The cast of administration characters with known connections to the outing of an undercover CIA agent:



Karl Rove
I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby
Condoleezza Rice
Stephen Hadley
Andrew Card
Alberto Gonzales
Mary Matalin
Ari Fleischer
Susan Ralston
Israel Hernandez
John Hannah
Scott McClellan Dan Bartlett
Claire Buchan
Catherine Martin
Jennifer Millerwise
Jim Wilkinson
Colin Powell
Karen Hughes
Adam Levine
Bob Joseph
Vice President Dick Cheney
President George W. Bush

http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal

[AllyCat]

41. Gosh if this does mean 22 "people", the rumors of Rice being VP

if Darth Cheney is gone won't happen. Who would Shrubbie appoint as VP? Poppy? Who's left?

I'd let just about anyone on this list go if the "people" includes John Bolton who is not on the list. I'd be willing to trade...who should we trade? How about Bush* for Bolton? I know we all want to see Bush* out of hter, but wouldn't it be fun to watch him flounder without all his puppetmasters? Wait, more Americans and others will suffer. Maybe not such a good idea.

[katty]

53. W knights Mommie Bar veep - no one else wants job

[Tight_rope]

45. I printed this list out in color earlier....

This will make great toilet reading tonight. I had to print it in color because I wanted to make sure I see their true facial colors before the indictments when all these faces will turn sun burn red or vein blue.

[havocmom]

46. Hmm, 23 involved people on your list. Suggestion of 22 indictments

So, someone on the list is da squeeler? ;)

What't Halliburton's stock doing today?

[EmmaP]

49. Halliburton Stock 10/18/05 4:02 PM

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[havocmom]

52. Many thanks

We all gotta go to COSTCO for the BIG popcorn


I think they might have bubbly there too

[PegDAC]

99. Break Out the Champers!

Where are we having practice for the Happy Dance?

:party: :woohoo: :applause:

[MiniMe]

64. They left out Bolton

That would be soooooo sweet!

[ananda]

103. Whoa!!!

That's all the main players.

I hope they all go down!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sue

[peacetalksforall]

28. I looked up some press briefings about Mary Matalin. It appears she

left on December 31, 2002 - a few weeks before the SOTU lie - the lie that kicked all this out of the basement and onto the stage.

I think I read that she returned for awhile, but I thought that was last year.

She could have been in on the planning. I think WHIG was formed in the spring (?) of 2002? But, it looks like she wasn't around for the Novak trick - unless she was working from home.

[lovuian]

29. 22 sounds about right!!! He's got the Big ONEs!!!

Bush may be following later!!!

[damntexdem]

30. We'll know when we know.

This is interesting, but can we rely on its veracity?

Sounds good if we can.

[earthside]

33. If ... If ...

If there are 22 indictments, then the Bush days in the White House are numbered.

Just think about it ... how could any group of people govern -- especially in foreign policy and national security -- if that number of highly placed officials are suspected of crimes?

Yes, this raises hopes for the end of our long, long national nightmare.
But, I'm hoping.

[Stevendsmith]

34. Damn Right. This Could Bring Down the Whole Admin!!!!! n/t

[katty]

56. hopefully-and what a thrill it will be! dancin' in the streets

[corky44]

60. If there are 22 indictments of top admin people

and it doesn't bring the whole shit pile down- what does that say about our
country? I'm a patriot.

[Ganja Ninja]

94. Exactly ... almost.

Not how could any group of people govern but, How could any government conspiracy be so large and so close to the top of the pecking order yet not include Bush himself?

[Tight_rope]

36. Oh...Please stop the teasing...I I have no more fingernails to chew on!

[kestrel91316]

66. I would loan you some, but mine have been down to nubs for

4 1/2 YEARS!!!!!!!

[goforit]

70. And I'm on my toes now!!!

This is just too much.

[Redbear]

42. That sounds like 22 decisions.

On each, Fitzgerald has to decide:

1. Seek Indictment on one or more charges
2. Name as an unindicted co-conspirator or
3. Decline to take any action.

[Voltaire99]

43. Enjoy it while it lasts

The convulsions of a lawless government are nice entertainment, even if it's all a dog and pony show.

[yowzayowzayowza]

47. Most Excellent!!!

Check out the comment on Johnson's page by "Granite State Destoyer" :o

[Quixote1818]

71. "We must figure now how closely the bombing of Syria will be synchronized

with the dropping of idictments."


Thanks for pointing out that post. It was a very entertaining!

[billr]

59. Wow

That's one crowded carpool to the courthouse.

[kanrok]

83. Maybe they can carpool...use the diamond lanes

Welcome to DU.

[Neil Lisst]

63. If Hadley is indicted, Condi is done, stick a fork in her

Hadley is her boy.

[Catherine Vincent]

68. This is great!

Larry Johnson is a republican or at least was.

[goforit]

69. I hope he does all 22 and more!!!

[bklyncowgirl]

72. In the immortal words of the late great Jackie Gleason

HOW SWEET IT IS!

Now I don't want to get greedy here but can we at least get Dubya as an unindicted co-conspirator? Please, Please.

[Oilwellian]

73. Remember....

what Stuffleopulis said. :D

[Bumblebee]

75. Sounds very promising but we should not get carried away

Let's take a deep, deep breath. We have been here before and are yet to get our satisfaction...

[Independent_Liberal]

80. Isn't Gonzales on the list?

I want to see the Torture freak indicted.

[Miss Chybil]

82. Is Bob Novak on that list, I wonder. nt

[Hekate]

84. Gives new meaning to "Catch 22"! Please, catch them all...

:popcorn: :bounce: :popcorn: :bounce: :popcorn: :bounce:

Hekate

[earth mom]

87. Good Catch-Catch 22 that is!

:applause:

PLEASE FITZ, PLEASE FITZ, PLEASE FITZ!

(my new mantra)

:woohoo:

[hang a left]

88. How did I miss this one??????????

Big kick for ya!!!!!!!

[hiabrill]

91. way to go....!

:applause: now we're on a roll..... :bounce:

[Zech Marquis]

92. a prepr walk/frog march parade

How about we make this a special event, red white and blue ribons and confetti, someone like Oprah as the MC. and live television coverage worldwide--"and felon number one, Dick Cheney!" :bounce: bwahahahahahahaha :evilgrin:

[ewagner]

95. "..frog march parade..."

:rofl:

that would be must see teevee at it's absolute finest!



as for our Dems in Congress....this should be their logo now!

[astroBspacedog]

105. The Perp Walk/Frog March Parade

Thank you !!
I've been laughing over that thought all morning. I keep having an image of the setup, -- ribbons, flags, confetti etc., as all these guys are being marched out of the White house, on by one, (like gang members being rounded up at the clubhouse) as Oprah (with a huge smile on her face) is introducing them individually. "Lady's and gentlemen, Our number one entry, ------ Karl Rove ! Number two, ----- Lewis (Scooter) Libby !" --- then eventually --- " The Parade Grand Marshal, ----------VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY !!!!!
After the Parade The President decided to give the nation the statement owed to us, however, without Karl to tell him what to say he attempted to quote Richard Nixon. " I jest want to tell the American People, right here and right now, ---- I AM NOT A CROCK !!"

96. I remember seeing Larry Johnson

and several other CIA agents on a talk show when story just broke, and boy were they pissed. I'm sure any help they can give Fitzgerald on this case, they surely will.

[symbolman]

98. Along with Frist, Delay, Franklin, etc

I've been waiting for Congress to pass the latest bill:

"Congressional Work Release Program of 2005"

So that they can all run the govt during the day, then at night they have to return to their cells :)

With only Conjugal visits among themselves, so go Cheney YOURSELVES assholes..

I'm a little worried that if this shithouse burns down they may just install that Shadow Govt they've had ready for a long time.. wait, THIS IS the Shadow Govt.. nevermind..

[MellowOne]

101. So do it already!

Too many rumors, let's cut to the chase.