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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:22 AM
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Neocon Bingo: A DU Contest
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 09:07 AM by H2O Man
This is a big week. Expectations are high. While there is indeed a possibility that the Fitzgerald grand jury will not return any indictments, many people -- from the White House to the corporate media -- believe the grand jury will return indictments.

It is interesting to speculate who may be indicted. Will it be one or two people, perhaps just Karl Rove and Lewis Libby? Or is it possible that Fitzgerald is going to expose a larger group that engaged in a conspiracy that ranks with Watergate and Iran-Contra?

The Democratic Underground has been an interesting place to follow this important case. In general, I believe DUers are better informed, and hence more insightful, about the case than most of the country, including many of those paid to report on it.

Thus, I suggest a game called "Neocon Bingo." I am including a list of 25 people involved in some way with this case (well, 24 are). Let's place some bets here, shall we? For any/all of these 25 characters, you can predict one (or more) possible outcomes: {1} Indicted; {2} unindicted co-conspirator; {3} implicated, but not charged; {4} song bird; {5} exonerated; {6} convicted -- go to jail, do no pass "go"; and {7} totally humiliated, the stuff of jokes for the rest of human history.

Further, if a person is to be indicted, there are five choices: {1} espionage, which is sharing classified information with those who are not entitled to it; {2} perjury -- the old liar, liar, pants on fire charge; {3} obstruction of justice -- things like trying to coach a witness on Aspen leaves; {4} revealing the identity of a CIA agent under the 1982 act; and {5} "other" -- many people use the word "treason": while I think there is zero chance of that being a charge, despite the fact it may be true, there are other possible charges.

This list is not complete. (I know I forgot Poland.) Feel free to add others. But here are 25:

George W. Bush
Dick Cheney
Lewis Libby
Karl Rove
Colin Powell
Condi Rice
Don Rumsfeld
Dick Armitage
Steve Hadley
Paul Wolfowitz
Dan Bartlett
George Tenet
Andrew Card
Ari Fleischer
Eliot Abrams
John Ashcroft
John Bolton
Newt Gingrich
Karen Hughes
David Wurmser
John Hannah
Judith Miller
Robert Novak
Mary Matalin
Richard Nixon's soul

Good luck!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:39 AM
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1. "Can't win
if you don't play!"
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:43 AM
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2. Indicted;
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 08:57 AM by G_j
Dick Cheney
Lewis Libby
Karl Rove
John Ashcroft
John Bolton

edit: forgot Ari Fleischer
==
I hope that is a conservative quess
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:48 AM
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3. An MSNBC report
this morning again noted Cheney has become a focus of Fitzgerald's attention in the past two weeks.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:59 AM
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5. do you know if there is
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 09:00 AM by G_j
an updated list of who is thought to have been questioned?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:01 AM
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6. I don't know.
I've read (on DU, at that!) Fitzgerald has called a number of the people around Cheney recently.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:51 AM
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4. I'll giver a go
Cheney
Rove
Rice
Rumsfeld
Powell

Just guessing
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:05 AM
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7. knowing you're a stickler for detail and precision, its "Matalin"
and as Neil Young so famously put it, "Richard Nixon has no soul"
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:08 AM
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9. Thanks.
Fixed. And yes, I've been humming Neil's song this morning!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:06 AM
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8. umm
Too many and too complicated..
I do suspect, however, that if it boils down to Bush faction vs Cheney faction, the Cheney people will go down..
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:09 AM
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10. The entire WHIG is indicted
Bush & Cheney are unindicted co-conspirators. Bolton charged with leaking the ID to the WHIG.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:11 AM
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11. My hopes
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 09:21 AM by hang a left
George W. Bush- unindicted co-conspirator

Dick Cheney- espionage, conspiracy, lying to investigators, obstruction, suborning perjury

Lewis Libby- same as Cheney, add perjury, witness tampering

Karl Rove- same as Libby

Colin Powell- songbird

Condi Rice- conspiracy, perjury, obstruction

Don Rumsfeld- indicted later

Dick Armitage- songbird

Steve Hadley- conspiracy, perjury, obstruction

Paul Wolfowitz- indicted later

Dan Bartlett- conspiracy, perjury, obstruction

George Tenet- songbird

Andrew Card- conspiracy, perjury, obstruction

Ari Fleischer- plea bargain, songbird

Eliot Abrams- indicted later

John Ashcroft- obstruction, abuse of office

John Bolton- same as Cheney

Newt Gingrich- indicted later

Karen Hughes- conspiracy, perjury

David Wurmser- indicted later

John Hannah- same as Libby

Judith Miller- plea bargain, songbird

Robert Novak- plea bargain, songbird

Mary Matlin- plea bargain, songbird

Richard Nixon's soul- laughing his ass off
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:19 AM
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12. some statutes and regulations
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 09:22 AM by G_j
(not including perjury or obstruction of justice)

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0509/S00403.htm

Disclosing the identity of a covert U.S. agent can be a violation of numerous federal criminal statutes and administrative regulations. Such violations carry with them penalties including imprisonment, fines, termination of employment, and revocation of security clearance.

The following is a list and description of such statutes and regulations.

1. Revealing the identity of certain undercover intelligence officers, agents, informants, and sources

Subsection 421(a) of title 50, United States Code, makes it unlawful for someone, having or having had access to classified information that identifies a covert agent, to intentionally disclose such information to an unauthorized recipient knowing the disclosure identifies the agent and knowing that the government is taking affirmative measures to conceal the agent’s relationship to the United States. The penalty includes a fine, imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both.

Subsection 421(b) makes it unlawful for someone who, as a result of having access to classified information, learns the identity of a covert agent and intentionally discloses any information disclosing that identity to any person not authorized to receive it. The defendant must know that the information disclosed identifies the agent and that the government is taking steps to conceal the identity. The penalty includes a fine, imprisonment for not more than five years, or both.

Subsection 421(c) criminalizes the disclosure of any information that identifies a person as a covert agent as part of a pattern intended to identify and expose such agents and with reason to believe such activities would impair the nation’s foreign intelligence activities. Such disclosure must be to a person not authorized to receive it and be done knowing that the Jonathan Randel, a former Drug Enforcement Administration employee, leaked to the media the fact that the name Lord Michael Ashcroft of Great Britain appeared in the DEA’s money laundering files. In 2002, the Justice Department obtained an indictment against Mr. Randel for violating section 641. Mr. Randel ultimately pled guilty and was sentenced to one year in prison and three years of probation. While he was sentencing Mr. Randel, U.S. District Judge Richard Story stated, “Anything that would affect the security of officers and of the operations of the agency would be of tremendous concern, I think, to any law-abiding citizen in this country.” disclosure identifies an agent and the United States is taking steps to conceal it. The penalty includes a fine, imprisonment for not more than three years, or both.

2. Conveying public money, property or records

Section 641 of title 18, United States Code, makes it a criminal offense to convey anything of value that belongs to the United States. More specifically, it imposes criminal penalties on anyone who “embezzles, steals, purloins, or knowingly converts to his use or the use of another, or without authority, sells, conveys, or disposes of any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof.” The penalty for a violation of this statute is a fine, imprisonment for not more than years, or both. The Bush administration already has used this statute to successfully prosecute a government official who leaked government information.7

3. Gathering, transmitting, or losing defense information

Section 793(d) of title 18, United States Code, prohibits the unauthorized transmission of any information vital to national defense. It makes it a crime for anyone who has lawful possession of “information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicate, deliver, transmit . . . to any person not entitled to receive it.” The penalty for a violation of this law includes a fine, imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both.

4. Gathering or delivering defense information to aid a foreign government

Subsection 794(a) of title 18, United States Code, prohibits the transmission or delivery of any document or information related to national defense to any foreign government or foreign agent. Such conduct is illegal if even the transmission is direct or indirect. The penalty includes death or imprisonment for any term of years.

5. Leaking diplomatic codes and correspondence

Section 952 of title 18, United States Code, imposes criminal penalties on “whoever, by virtue of his employment by the United States, obtains from another or has or has had custody of or access to, any official diplomatic code or any matter prepared in any such code . . . and without authorization or competent authority, willfully publishes or furnishes to another any such code or matter.” The penalty includes a fine, imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both.

6. Communication of classified information by government officer or employee

Subsection 783(a) of title 50, United States Code, prohibits any government officer or employee, without authorization of the President or head of the employing department, from communicating in any manner to any other person whom the officer or employee knows or has reason to believe is an agent or representative of a foreign government any information classified by the President or head of an agency that affects national security. The officer or employee must know or have reason to know that the information was classified. The penalty includes a fine of not more than $10,000, imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both. In addition, the person would be ineligible to hold any office created by the Constitution or laws of the United States.

7. Executive Order 12958

Presidential Executive Order 12958 prescribes a uniform system for classifying, declassifying, and protecting information related to the national defense. It requires each agency head to implement controls over the distribution of classified information. Section 5.5 provides that, if the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office finds that a violation of the Order has taken place, the Director must report to the appropriate agency head so corrective action may occur. Further, sanctions for such violations include: “reprimand, suspension without pay, removal, termination of classification authority, loss or denial of access to classified information, or other sanctions in accordance with applicable law and agency regulation.” Finally, section 5.5 of the Order provides that:

(d) The agency head, senior agency official, or other supervisory official shall, at a minimum, promptly remove the classification authority of any individual who demonstrates reckless disregard or a pattern of error in applying the classification standards of this order.

(e) The agency head or senior official shall: (1) take appropriate and prompt corrective action when a violation or infraction . . . occurs; and (2) notify the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office when a violation . . . occurs.

In effect, any supervisor of an individual with access to classified information must sanction such individual if he illegally discloses the information.

8. Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement (SF-312)

Prior to gaining access to classified information, a government official or employee must sign a Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement (SF-312). The Agreement states that breaches (i.e., disclosure of classified information) could result in termination of security clearances and removal from employment.

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The Espionage Act

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000793----000-.html

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§ 793. Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information


Release date: 2005-08-03

(a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or
(b) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or
(c) Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or
(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or
(2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.
(h)
(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States.
(2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection.
(3) The provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853 (b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to—
(A) property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;
(B) any seizure or disposition of such property; and
(C) any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property,
if not inconsistent with this subsection.
(4) Notwithstanding section 524 (c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:21 AM
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20. Great legal info, G_j!!! H20's numerous game pieces are tough!
I'm going to play but emphasize that my guesstimates are highly optimistic and fairly characterized as wishful thinking.




George W. Bush
--- conspiracy to obstruct justice (co-conspirator in a cover-up), several counts of conspiracy to engage in espionage: unindicted conspirator --> impeachment.


Dick Cheney
---several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence officer, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence operation, conspiracy to commit fraud, misuse of federal funds: indicted.


Lewis Libby
---couple counts of perjury, several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence officer, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence operation, conspiracy to commit fraud: indicted & convicted.


Karl Rove
--several counts of perjury, several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence office, conspiracy to commit fraud: indicted & convicted.


Colin Powell
--conspiracy to engage in espionage: implicated, but not charged -- totally humiliated.


Condi Rice
--conspiracy to engage in espionage and commit fraud: totally humiliated.


Don Rumsfeld
--indicted later on a different matter


Dick Armitage
--implicated, but not charged


Steve Hadley
--indicted later on a different matter


Paul Wolfowitz
---couple counts of perjury, several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence officer, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence operation, conspiracy to commit fraud: indicted.


Dan Bartlett
--several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice: implicated, but not charged


George Tenet
--implicated, but not charged


Andrew Card
-----couple counts of perjury, several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence officer, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence operation, conspiracy to commit fraud: indicted & convicted.


Ari Fleischer
--implicated, but not charged.


Eliot Abrams
--indicted in a different matter.


John Ashcroft
--conspiracy to obstruct justice: humiliated.


John Bolton
-----several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence officer, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence operation: indicted.


Newt Gingrich
--totally humiliated.


Karen Hughes
---conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence officer, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence operation, conspiracy to commit fraud: songbird.


David Wurmser
-----couple counts of perjury, several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence officer, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence operation, conspiracy to commit fraud: indicted.


John Hannah
-----couple counts of perjury, several counts of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to engage in espionage, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence officer, conspiracy to disclose an intelligence operation, conspiracy to commit fraud: indicted.


Judith Miller
--conspiracy to obstruct justice: songbird


Robert Novak
--conspiracy to obstruct justice, engage in espionage, and disclose an intelligence officer and operation: songbird


Mary Matalin
--conspiracy to obstruct justice: songbird

Richard Nixon's soul
--"I was screwed!!!"
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:21 AM
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13. Nixon's soul is the free space in the middle, right?
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 09:21 AM by trogdor
You know he's got an air-conditioned office in Hell down the hall from the Devil, right?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:22 AM
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15. Some might venture
that it is a very dark space, to the right of the middle. (grin)
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:22 AM
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14. my money is on Libby
Dick Cheney - implicated
Lewis Libby - indicted, perjury and obstruction of justice
Karl Rove - indicted, song bird
Ari Fleischer - implicated, song bird
Robert Novak - unindicted co-conspirator

These aren't expert guesses, just playing for fun.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:33 AM
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16. I'll Start With Indicted
Libby, Bolton, Fleischer

All three, espionage (1918 law, not the latter one)
Libby conspiracy & perjury

Hannah & Wurmser are in the mix but don't know if they will be affected as we know very little about their actions, the testimony they gave or was given by them

Rove, Novak & Miller squealed like the little piggies they are. possibly lesser charge, perjury for KKK

Powell, Matalin, Gingrich, Tenet, Card, * - home free

Cheney (fingers crossed) un indicted co-conspirator

Possibly Fitz goes further and does a report on how all of them lied us into war, but as there is no direct law against that, just reports it.

Nixon's soul - laughing a** off
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:12 AM
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17. what the heck
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 10:13 AM by Solly Mack
I'm wrong, of course - but thought I'd take a gander :)



{1} Indicted;
{2} unindicted co-conspirator;
{3} implicated, but not charged;
{4} song bird;
{5} exonerated;
{6} convicted -- go to jail, do no pass "go"; and
{7} totally humiliated, the stuff of jokes for the rest of human history.


If indicted: - (*then)


{1} espionage, which is sharing classified information with those who are not entitled to it;
{2} perjury -- the old liar, liar, pants on fire charge;
{3} obstruction of justice -- things like trying to coach a witness on Aspen leaves;
{4} revealing the identity of a CIA agent under the 1982 act; and {5} "other"




George W. Bush (3)- maybe (2) outcome only
Dick Cheney (2)
Lewis Libby (1) *then (1), (2), (3), (4) -might even be convicted
Karl Rove (1) *then (1), (2),(3) - might even be convicted
Colin Powell (4)(5) outcome only
Condi Rice (3) - possibly (2) outcome only
Don Rumsfeld (3)
Dick Armitage (4)(5) outcome only
Steve Hadley (2)
Paul Wolfowitz (3), possibly (2) instead outcome only
Dan Bartlett (2)
George Tenet (3)
Andrew Card (2)
Ari Fleischer (3)(4) outcome only
Eliot Abrams (3) maybe (2) outcome only
John Ashcroft (3)
John Bolton (1) *then (1),(3) might even be convicted
Newt Gingrich (2)
Karen Hughes (3), possibly (2) outcome only
David Wurmser (1)*then (1),(4) - will be convicted
John Hannah (1) *then (1), (4) - will be convicted
Judith Miller (3),(4) outcome only
Robert Novak (3), (4) outcome only
Mary Matlin (2), possibly (3) instead, & (4) outcome only
Richard Nixon's soul (7)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:44 AM
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18. Couldn't help but notice that your picks are absent from the thread.
:hi:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:17 AM
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19. Good Point
Cough up Waterman! And then if my edit time is still good, I'll just copy (grin)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:58 AM
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21. Cough, cough!

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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:05 PM
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24. which one of those people is H20 man? n/t
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sproutster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:56 PM
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31. West Memphis Three?
Free?

Answer, Free the WM3?
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 12:26 PM
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22. Neocon Bingo - I am so in!
Don Rumsfeld - 2,3,7(nooklar fallout from the Larry Franklin mess too.)the 21st century McNamara. Obstruction
Dick Armitage - 4 heartily sung operatic arias on Bolton, Libby, Hadley, Rice, gangsta rap for Rummy & heavy metal about Cheney.
Steve Hadley - 1,2,4 (the dummy didn't report the crime when Rove told/emailed him)and if he told Rice...
Paul Wolfowitz - 2, 3, 7(the comb spit)
Dan Bartlett - 2,3 (cover up practitioner),
George Tenet - 4,3,5 Book ought to be a best seller, if he owns the TRUTH!
Andrew Card - 4(KR),3, 5, just used his title to set up WHIG.
Ari Fleischer - 1,2,4,made a plea agreement
Eliot Abrams - 1, 2, 6 his history is really going to be *problematic*;)
John Ashcroft - 3,4 has an axe to grind.
John Bolton -1,2,4,6,7, he has his moustache in more than one soup bowl. But he's a serious tattletale too!
Newt Gingrich - 3,4 wouldn't want to ruin his stellar presidential hopes...
WHIG and fantasy hardball player
David Wurmser - 1,2,6 plea agreement anyone?
John Hannah - 1,4,6 he'll flip some folks to Fitzgerald.
Judith Miller - 7 worst muckracker in the history of the WORLD!
Robert Novak - 4,7 see above and he curses on TV too!
Mary Matalin - 2,4 thinking of Carville's children...
Richard Nixon's soul - it's resting comfortably within W right now!
George W. Bush - 2,3,5,7, WORST.pRESIDENT.EVER!
Dick Cheney - 1,2,6,7 :puke:on his house...
Lewis Libby -1,6,7 super failed secret agent man
Karl Rove - 1,6,7 bush's brain, flatlines...
Colin Powell - 4,4,4,4,4,4,4, sure is in public a lot lately...
Condi Rice -3,7 only black person W likes...
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:28 PM
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23. Kick So The Night Gang Can Play eom
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:34 PM
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25. 'Spect now
lots of bets will be placed on Hannah!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:01 PM
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28. I'd say a deal or two
for Hannah possibly depending how well he plays out for Fitz.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 09:23 PM
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30. Easy Money
Question is: How much did HE cough up?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:36 PM
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26. Hats off to you H2O for all your incredible posts!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:48 PM
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27. You are welcome!
Now, would you like to place any bets here?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:34 PM
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29. I lost $20 in Monte Carlo as a poor student & have never bet since unless
you count my predicting a Kerry win in Ohio as to whether I would extend my store lease for my business (I was that confident). I technically lost that one, closed my doors after 17 years and now work on election reform (no pay of course, but someone has to do it!).
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