Flame Plame

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I'm sure I'm late to the game of Flame Plame part three thousand. But here are my favorite bits from Judy's pseudo "tell all" in the times.

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My notes do not show that Mr. Libby identified Mr. Wilson's wife by name.

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On one page of my interview notes, for example, I wrote the name "Valerie Flame."

But she doesn't recall who said that THOUGH it just coincendently appears in her notes while talking to Libby. Even though she claims it's not at the same time-it sounds when you first read the account that Libby is guilty as hell.

Later, however, Mr. Libby is very helpful with Mrs. Wilson/Flame/Plame's EXACT job description.

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At that breakfast meeting, our conversation also turned to Mr. Wilson's wife. My notes contain a phrase inside parentheses: "Wife works at Winpac."
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But it was helpful to know that she didn't think she was covert, of course, just an analyst. (Oh no crime here..Mr. Fitzgerald)


SO they was just talking about the wife of the dastardly Wilson for the hell of it. BECAUSE later Fitzgerald asks my favortie 69 million dollar question:

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Mr. Fitzgerald asked me whether Mr. Libby had mentioned nepotism. I said no.
And as I told the grand jury, I did not recall - and my interview notes do not show - that Mr. Libby suggested that Ms. Plame had helped arrange her husband's trip to Niger.

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Well, I guess having your wife work for the CIA isn't so bad afterall, I guess that utter line of shit that was peddled for years on FOX news and elswhere isn't the real story. AND even better, Fitzgerald knows it's not nepotism that was the reason they went after Ms. Plame.

And it leaves out the other 69 million dollar question then WHY were they talking about Plame?

Add to the fact that Fitzgerald asked about Cheney's part-(Libby "he's has nothing to do with this SIR, and the poor President LIED to lied to by the CIA-no one came and told poor Georgie that that intel was wrong darnit!")

Fitzgerald clearly sees the truth-but proving it is another matter indeed.

[EST]

1. One of the requirements of "high official" position

is that one must reasonably be expected to know or determine the status of the people one is sliming.
We should have the reasonable expectation that an assistant to the president or vp (nominally, at least) has the responsibility not to out anyone whose outing may affect the security of the country and its citizens, and to know the difference.

[SillyGoose]

2. Miller is a joke.

She was willing to be jailed to protect a source that she says she can't recall. Yeah, sure :crazy:

She claims she has one "meaningful" source who provided info on Wilson and his wife, but then contradicts herself when questioned and says she has another source but can't recall who it is.

What a joke. This woman should get nailed with perjury and/or obstruction charges here.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

5. Exactly! Quite conflicted about the 2nd source she can't remember

I find it interesting that she runs into Libby at Jackson Hole Wyoming. That tells us one coded part of the Libby message - "where you vacation" refers to Jackson Hole.

I wish someone would just ask Miller, under oath, what her sources of compensation have been ASIDE from the NYT.

[SillyGoose]

11. Wouldn't THAT be a terrific question! I would love to know the

answer to that one.

[cassiepriam]

14. Who is paying her legal expenses??

[Generator]

3. "It's Scooter Libby"

She makes great pains to say "I don't recall." "It wasn't Libby" THEN she ends the article in the Times with those subject words. Like some freaking code. Like a game. The masked man. She didn't out her source and ideological lover to the grand jury but is she giving her readers the scoop by ending the article that way? You have to read the thing more than once to get the whole feel.

[SillyGoose]

4. One other thing that irritates me with her account is that she

continually says "my notes show..." as if she wasn't present, has no knowledge of their context and like she is attempting to decipher them in the 3rd person.

She goes to great lengths to exculpate Libby but at the same time wants us to believe she had to be jailed to protect him and the info he provided to her as her source.

Reading this article again makes my head spin.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

7. Very interesting point brought up on DKos

Judith Miller says that after the conference in Aspen "I traveled to Jackson Hole". Very cryptic. Why did she travel to Jackson Hole? How long did she stay? Where did she go? As the thread on Kos points out - Dick Cheney was vacationing himself in Jackson Hole at that very time!

I think Fitz has to haul her back in and ask her if she met with Dick Cheney in Jackson Hole and whether she discussed the Plame affair with him at that time.

[Generator]

8. Yep Judy went to jail for this "I don't recall" fellow

I'm glad that Mr. Recall is protected. Journalism triumphs! If she honestly didn't remember who told her about Plame (implicit to me is that means that several people were pushing the story at the same time and she's naming no one-whether they were her "source" her friend or her colleague or her enemy) why go to jail? To not mention Libby? But according to her, Libby is innocent. In that weird, he sounds guilty way she has. Wait-she got that "limited testimony" thing from Fitzgerald. Which was a total ruse. Sure, I'll limit it to Libby only and then say "I don't recall." It's so bogus I can't stand it.

[SillyGoose]

12. I know...I couldn't believe she put this out there thinking it would

fly. She made herself look worse with that article.

I seem to remember that she had said before going to jail that she had 2 (or more) sources, then she specifically said she had one, then she claimed that must have another but can't recall who it was.

Miller's article was an embarassment.

[EuroObserver]

9. Right on. Me too.

The only things she seems to say she remembers, all by herself, are reasons why the notes don't necessarily say what they seem to say.

One has to pay attention to what today's other NYT material is saying...

Still reading and re-reading...

At least I feel more-or-less reassured that Fitzgerald has had plenty of time, and can probably take more if he decides he needs it...

BTW: has anyone over there heard anything about Ernesto Ekaizer's interview with Joe Wilson, published in El País (Spain, in Spanish) on Friday? - Headline: Joe Wilson: "El fiscal ha pillado el núcleo de la conspiración contra mí y mi esposa en la Casa Blanca" (rough translation: The Prosecutor has nabbed the hard core of the conspiracy against my wife and I in the White House) - now available here: http://11-s.net/joewilson.php

Wilson says Fitz called him, they spoke by telephone on Sept 29th, asked a series of very specific questions, and - things seem to moving in the right direction.

Tell me - could ths be news for you folks over there?

[EuroObserver]

10. Re other material see, especially, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x165204

[SillyGoose]

13. Its news for me. Do you know how I could get the article translated?

I would very much be interested in reading it.

[Neil Lisst]

6. If an NYT reporter who covered WMD and had a clearance ...

If an NYT reporter who covered WMD and had a clearance didn't know who Valerie Plame was, that she was Wilson's wife, and that she worked on WMD, then that shoots the hell out of the "everyone knew she worked for CIA" argument.