There's at least 20 people shooting less that 200 yards from my house.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

I hate dove season.

These are the same cretins that nearly killed the raptor that I was lucky enough to save only ten days ago.

The area that I live in used to be country and there are still soybean and cotton fields around. Even though there are tons of kids, these "morans" are going to keep shooting at anything with wings until the laws get changed to keep them away from the kids and homes.

You know how much meat you can get off of a dove? Sheesh.

/end rant

[rolleitreks]

1. You're lucky. Buy a shotgun. Doves are protected

in my neighborhood, unfortunately.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

8. I had one. Sold it years ago. Now I exercise my 2nd ammendment rights

by keeping a fleet of crop dusters filled with Sarin in my back yard.

I'll send out the Buckaroo Bonzai call to arms in a few minutes after I get through arming the thermonuclear booby trap to my front door so no one can steal my guns while I'm out.

:sarcasm:

[Gman]

12. Doncha just love the 2nd amendment

and it's your Gawd-given right to have those things to protect yourself!

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

17. Yup. I'm gettin me one of them BFG9000's next week!

I'll be ready for the spawn of hell when they come!

[bluedawg12]

74. A fellow DOOM player!! Fire up the chain saw!!

and seek out the mutant dove killing hordes from hell--and that's just the first level.

Quake 4 is coming soon.
I already finished DOOM3..hell was heaven.

[drdtroit]

2. It's not about "the meat"

It's just about killing something.

[Caoimhe]

24. YES

my boss and his boy go out and shoot doves (and everything else they can get away with) -take their pictures with them and then leave them to rot. :grr: (he's even videotaped himself blowing away squirrels and rockchucks so he can show his friends and family what a mighty he-man he is..) He says that they just go back to nature as the next carnivore that comes along eats them. I really hate hunters as a result of this asshat cretin.

I grew up in a family that didn't really hunt or fish even though we were poor and lived in the country. Dad did NOT enjoy killing things.. and mom did NOT enjoy cutting them up. So they just agreed that we'd eat what we had and buy meat when we had the money. Later they raised beef---but someone came and got the steers while we were at work or school and delivered them back as little one pound packages a week or so later. I guess that's hypocritical because I do enjoy meat, but I just have so little respect for hunters. :shrug:

[jody]

28. I agree with you "that's hypocritical". n/t

[Caoimhe]

41. So

Do you kill things to take your pictures with them too?

[jody]

43. No.

:)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

49. Is it okay to kill an ant on your food?

Is it okay to kill a kitten on your countertop?

Like the old joke: "We're just arguing about the price."

:toast:

[jody]

62. Like others, I sometimes reflect on the sanctity of life, even ants.

No answers, just questions but I understand what motivates primitive people to give prayers for an animal they have just killed because they need the meat to survive.
:)

[Crowdance]

3. Proof that it's about killing, not eating.

Oh, yeah, it's also about "sport." Sport would be if the doves also had guns.

[Union Thug]

15. In this case, I agree.. But my father...

...who is a lifelong, way left of center liberal ... hunts regulary and always eats what he kills. He never buys beef or pork. Of course, he doesn't shoot doves.

Dove hunting. Good lord.

edited for really redundant, repetitive, language ;-)

[wuushew]

4. Why shoot a peace symbol?

Are hunters anti-peace/pro-war?

[WritingIsMyReligion]

18. Very true. n/t

[cwydro]

92. because it's a peace symbol...

if they are even informed enough to know that...

[jody]

5. Dog gone it Tom, I was getting ready to invite you down for a dove shoot.

Since you oppose such things, you can join me in shooting clay pigeons but they have even less meat than a dove.

:hi:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

10. When I was 19, I hit 100 for 100 once....

I doubt I could hit one for ten today.

[jody]

14. 100/100 would tie you for a national championship. Good shooting. n/t

[MH1]

6. Within 200 yards?

That would be illegal in a lot of places. I guess you've checked into that, though... :-(

[nashville_brook]

7. i've never met a dove hunter i could respect -- they all seem to have SPS

small penis syndrome

[Retired AF Dem]

78. Penis envy and nukes within seven posts

it must be a new record.

[LuCifer]

9. Maybe they're getting ready to overthrow this shit gov't?!

Just a thought. I mean, we can dream, can't we?!

Lu

[against all enemies]

11. Most states have a minimum distance from dwellings, does yours?

Here it's 500 feet. Anything less and it's breaking the law.

[MuseRider]

13. My house is just like that.

I can hear them talking, watch them drinking their beer and watch them shoot at stuff. They are that close to my house. It is worse when they are hunting the deer with their high powered rifles. I am hoping that since my pleas to the local officials did not make any headway that the new folks in their McMansions will maybe be responded to.

[marions ghost]

35. My neighborhood sounds like yours

on the fringes of suburbia. There is little to no enforcement of hunting laws. There are 18 houses on the road but a messed-up teenager with a high-powered rifle is allowed to roam around shooting at will. This is insanity. Call the cops, they come and give him a warning and he does it again the next day. Like you, I see the only good thing about the pod of McMansions coming in nearby is that they probably won't like living in a shooting gallery. We need much stronger laws against high-powered rifles in general and shooting of any kind where there is a certain density of population.

[knitter4democracy]

66. I grew up in the country, and we tended to enforce it ourselves.

My stepbrother was the only allowed to hunt on my dad's land, but of course we'd get others every year. So, Dan would head out with his bow and stalk the poachers. A couple of warning shots and an, "Man, I'm sorry--I didn't know anyone was trespassin' out here," took care of most of them.

I hope no one finds out that we have a small deer herd in our neighborhood with a ten point buck. Then, we'll all be in trouble.

[AngryAmish]

82. Why are you upset about the Mcmansions?

Aesthetics?

[cwydro]

93. oh dear

WHERE do you people LIVE for god's sake!!??

[LeftyMom]

16. Whle they're distracted

go let the air out of thier tires. Then maybe next time they'll get the hint and go somewhere else.

[jody]

19. That's encouraging vandalism. n/t

[LeftyMom]

20. Okay.

If it's that or tacitly accepting the deaths of tiny and innocent birds, I can accept that.

[jody]

26. "deaths of tiny and innocent birds"? Unless you're a vegetarian, that's

hypocritical IMO.

[LeftyMom]

29. Yeah I know.

That's why I'm vegan. :D

[stepnw1f]

33. Nice

you didn't bite.

[jody]

34. Good for you.

:toast:

[marions ghost]

37. Not smart to vandalize cars

aggressive "hunters" with guns who do not care about shooting close to houses will not take it as a hint. They are controlling the situation. I can't even let kids do normal childhood things like mess around in the creek nearby. I resent the loss of these freedoms because some people have the right to practice killing things for fun in semi-urban environments. Let them go play paintball.

[alfredo]

23. Inside a valve cap is a little round tube. It is just the right

size for a buck shot pellet. You put the pellet (BB) in there, then screw the cap back on. The pellet depresses the valve cap enough to slowly release air from the tire. Nobody checks the valve cap. they'll check the tire and the valve stem, finding nothing, they will screw the cap right back on.

Still, it is not good to do such things. I cannot recommend you doing that, it's just too mean.

[Caoimhe]

25. Brilliant!

ehem. You must have read that in some book :spank:

:applause: oO0(now where in this town can I buy BBs I wonder...)

[alfredo]

51. I worked in a bicycle shop. I am familiar with

tires, tubes, and valve caps.

[Indy Lurker]

21. Maybe you should not have bought a home next to a hunting area

or was the land next to your home just re-zoned rural or Ag.

Near me, a subdivision was build next to farmland, and since then, the farmland was sold.

The new owner of the farm land put a motor-cross track on his property, and the homeowners of the subdivision are complaining about dust and noise.

The problem is that the farmland is county (not part of the town the subdivision belongs to) and zoned Ag. A bunch of the homeowners went to the next county board meeting, and were basically told, if you don't like living next to farmland, you should move.

[Dark]

22. Go to them, with out getting shot,

and tell them that some commies are over at the school turning their daughters into pregnant lesbians who are burning the cross, American flag, and an effigy of Kenny Rogers.

They're too stupid to know it's the weekend, I'm guessing.

[Retired AF Dem]

75. Could you explain to me how lesbians get pregnant?

inquiring minds want to know. :)

[ellisonz]

79. Artificial Insemination.

[Retired AF Dem]

80. That is one way

I was hoping to learn about a more semen free enviroment.

[ErisFiveFingers]

86. Last "semen free" pregnancy I recall...

Resulted in the poor kid getting tortured and nailed to some wood.

Prolly not a good idea to repeat that.

[King Coal]

27. Doves are delicious. 200 yards is a safe distance away from a shotgun.

[Bigmack]

46. When I used to hunt....

... doves were one of the toughest targets. That peaceful little bird has some kind of random cam in it's navigation system... every once in a while they just jink one way of the other. You can miss by FEET.

Problem is, the assholes with the beer get tired of missing, so they shoot at slower stuff. Anything, actually.

200 yds is beyond the effective range of a shotgun with dove loads, but it's very disconcerting to have shot gently raining down on you.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

56. How would you like pellets dropping in your drink on a Saturday afternoon?

I guess you would just chuckle... "Glad it's not lead."

[Cleita]

30. When I lived in Texas the people I worked for kept

hunters off their property (100 acres). Maybe you should talk to your neighbors and see if you can get them to keep hunters off their property. If you can't get your local government to pass laws, then you have to try the next legal step.

Incidentally, the Raptors like dove on their menu. If their excuse is that there are too many doves, explain to them that killing the hawks isn't a solution. I know that the Red Tail hawks keep the wild dove population down on our property. And the pigeons are really smart. They stay in town.

[unrepuke]

31. "No Hunting" signs = Hahaha. The first victims.

[Cleita]

32. Well, in Texas you can shoot anyone who trespasses on your

property so I guess that's the difference.

[jody]

36. Please post the TX law giving land owners authority to execute trespassers

[Cleita]

50. I'm not a lawyer and privy to Texas laws now that I live

in California, however, my employer told me never to enter the neighbor's property without phoning them first because they would shoot first. This guy was a horse and cattle rancher. She also told me, when I asked about how we were to keep hunters off her property, she said to radio her husband and he would go talk to them, and if they didn't listen he would shoot them.

So it's as simple as the fact that it seemed to be common knowledge that you would be shot if you trespassed. It could have a lot to do with the fact that these were horse and cattle ranchers and rustling still occurs in parts of Texas, considering that a lot of the ranches are huge in acreage. I also asked the deputy sheriffs about that and they told me the same thing that trespassing on a ranchers property could get you shot and the law would side with the rancher.

[jody]

72. I’ll give you a place to start. Go to

Texas Penal Code and study “CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY” and “CHAPTER 30. BURGLARY AND CRIMINAL TRESPASS”.

Then tell me what part of Texas law gives a landowner the unlimited right to shoot a trespasser as you broadly asserted, “it seemed to be common knowledge that you would be shot if you trespassed.”

[Cleita]

73. Apparently it's the part where the elected Sheriff lets them.

I think the Sheriff must know the penal code well enough to find a way to back up this practice. I can't imagine that his chances for re-election would be very good if he pissed off the ranchers who voted for him and put him in office.

When my husband owned a bar in California, it was legal to shoot anyone who tried to hold you up or rob you. My husband never wanted to keep a shotgun in the bar, but our neighbor a few blocks away who owned a jewelry store, shot and killed several burglars over a period of a few years. He is still in business and never even got so much as a citation.

Tresspassing is one of those areas where the trespasser possesses a threat to the property owner and it is widely recognized in many states that you have a right to protect your property. I think that is where your legality is.

[jody]

81. That's more limited than "you can shoot anyone who trespasses"

as you stated in #32. :)

[unrepuke]

40. Apparently Florida feels OK with it, too, and they seem to be

"related", in a way.
If I was going to trespass on anybody's property I wouldn't try it in Idaho, either.

[Silverhair]

45. Bullshit !! NOT LEGAL TO DO THAT just for trespassing. NT

[knitter4democracy]

67. Happens here in Michigan, too.

Usually a warning shot is all it takes.

Heck, we have the Michigan Militia guys who literally take trespassers prisoner in their own homemade stockades and allow them one phone call. I went to school with a family that did that. All the locals knew about it (they had gorgeous pheasant land), but out-of-towners didn't, and one or two would get caught every year.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

57. Killing a Cooper's hawk is a FELONY....

[mongo]

38. Why did you move to the "country"?

It is especially frustrating to hear when people move into some new development where a field was, and then complain about their "moran" neighbors living their lives like they always have.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

39. I have lived in the "country" just about my whole fucking life.

Back then the gun nuts seemed to have a brain.

Simply put, when there was a house that they didn't know, they wouldn't shoot around it. Much less if there were kids nearby.

Today's gun clime wants to say that everything should get out of the way for anything that has to do with gunpowder in a chamber. It has contributed to a lot of stupid people now holding guns in really stupid hands.

[knitter4democracy]

68. That sounds about right.

I grew up in the country, and your description sounds just like where I grew up. We used to hate the out-of-towners the most--guys from the city thinking they could hunt everywhere who never asked permission and just trespassed all over, trying to get their trophy. My stepbrothers hunt to feed their families and always have. They have a different reason and respect the woods and fields because of it.

[ComerPerro]

42. doves? Wow.

[formercia]

44. Think of the Avian Flu they might be bringing home

so, are you going hunting for migratory wildfowl this year?

[Mojorabbit]

47. My husband is hunting this weekend

He called me a few hours ago and said he got a deer and a wild pig.
He is a bow hunter. We shall feast well, the skins will be tanned, and nothing will go to waste.

[jody]

48. Thanks, it's nice to know that many Dems hunt. My wife and I had

many wonderful hunts all over the world.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

58. Great. What you gonna do with the life force that got wasted?

[Mojorabbit]

61. The place where he hunts

has no predators anymore. The deer are over populated. They will starve this winter if not culled. I enjoy a hamburger. I am not a hypocrite. I eat meat. I am ok with cutting a dead deer or pig into cuts on my dining room table, then into my freezer. I do not apologize for it. I am ok with a cheeseburger from McDonald's . I eat meat, I would prefer to have it hunted fairly with a bow and the pagan prayer of thanks and respect than eat meat from a factory farm.

[sbj405]

65. Bow hunting seems like a fairer fight.

And definitely a more honest way to eat meat than eating factory farmed crap. I know one or two large game can feed a family for months.

[knitter4democracy]

70. It's much harder, that's for sure.

I respect good hunters who do it to feed their families. It's the drunks who do it for bragging rights only and butcher the poor things in the woods, leaving whatever they don't want (usually take the head and leave the rest) whom I hate.

My stepbrother's good with a bow, and he doesn't get a deer every year. It takes a strong arm and really good eyes and reflexes. He feeds his family with whatever he gets, and I respect him for that.

[knitter4democracy]

69. Wow!

He's got to be freakin' good with a bow to get a wild pig. Tell him congrats from me.

I don't hunt, but I grew up in a hunting family. When it's for food, it's entirely different, I think. I know my stepbrothers hunt to help feed their families--have been winters where that's what's gotten them through when things have been tight.

Btw, I know where you can get him good hunters orange wool yarn if you know how to knit or crochet and want to make something warm for him. ;)

[DancingBear]

84. Ah, the joy of watching all the young does grieve

Was he able to kill the deer while it was taking a drink of water, perhaps?

Or maybe mentoring its young?

Perhaps perchance he was able to kill it while it was not looking - the better to make a "sport" of it all.

But you have feasted well, and I guess that is all that matters these days.

<sigh>

[cwydro]

94. yeah thanks bear

shooting deer is such "sport" since they are such vicious dangerous animals....:sarcasm:

[William Bloode]

52. Learn to live with it.

That or move to a less rural area. Besides it's just a few days to a wk. 200yrds is way way out of the range of bird shot, which is about 50yrds.

Btw, doves are simply scrumptious! Along with quail, pheasant, and turkey! :9

[Silverhair]

53. Calm your hysteria.

If you knew as much about guns as you claim to do, then you would know that the situation is safe.

Two hundred yards away from a shotgun with birdshot, being aimed into the air, and you are freaking out? Get a grip.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

59. It's the fucking noise, dimwit.

[Silverhair]

60. You said different in your OP. Now you are changing your story.

You said: "these "morans" are going to keep shooting at anything with wings until the laws get changed to keep them away from the kids and homes.

Now you say it is the noise?

[meisje]

96. FLIP FLOPPER!

[Greyhound]

54. Not even close n/t

[kineneb]

55. dove hunting...not enough meat for the work

My grandfather shot some for dinner one time, and I swear, there were more feathers than bird. Then there was avoiding the shot pellets. I don't have a problem with hunting for food, but gee, doves are just not worth the effort. Deer, of which there seems to be an abundance, have at least some meat on them.

[RebelOne]

63. It's not work to those hunters. They consider shooting

those wonderful birds as "fun." I hate hunting.

[sbj405]

64. It's just a reason to shoot things until it's time to shoot bigger things

like turkeys, deer, and bears.

I was recently looking at WV hunting seasons (I like to know so when I backpack I don't get shot). I was amazed at the number of various things that one can hunt. There seems to be some season occurring at any given time.

[Ilsa]

71. Dumbya killed a kildeer instead of a dove one season

and had to apy a fine as they have a low level of protection here in Texas. I don't think they look anything like a dove, but we all know how trigger-happy he is.

[ulysses]

76. I have no problem with hunting

if you're going to eat what you kill.

Otherwise, at least hunt something that has the ability to eat you if you miss. :7

[meisje]

77. Maybe it's just one person who took 20 shots

[leesa]

83. It's the killing. They LOVE to kill.

[jody]

85. The replies to this post defending doves sounds just like those who defend

unborn fetuses.

Am I to believe that some DU members believe a simple dove is more precious than an unborn fetus?

[Ksec]

87. I cant wait until Bash opens season on Bald Eagles..

Now thatll be fun. Theres lots of meat on them and they'd be tasty good eatin'

Im jokin people. Lighten up.

[jody]

88. Do you support doves or unborn fetuses? n/t

[Retired AF Dem]

89. tough question

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

90. Is every sperm sacred?

DAD:
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.




GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,...
CHILDREN:
...God get quite irate.

PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed...
CARDINALS:
...In your neighbourhood!

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody's.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!

NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!

[cwydro]

95. what the hell is

the connection there??? Um...does the phrase non sequiter mean anything to you???

[cwydro]

91. geez

where do you live? <<<<Making mental note never to move or visit there>>>>:hide:

[Retired AF Dem]

97. Folks here always talk how great Germany is

And in Germany you can find hunting highhouses with a hunter in it shooting a highpowered rifle right next to someones house. I don't think anywhere in the states is it legal to shoot a high powered rifle that close to a house. 200 yards from a shotgun is much safer than walking across the street.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

98. And that's your idea of heaven?

Arm the most stupid rednecks you can find and send them deer hunting in a residential area?

I'll pass, thanks.

[Retired AF Dem]

99. stupid rednecks

A very liberal thing to say.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

101. Hell, son. I AM a redneck...

Do you know where the term comes from?

People who work the land. No shame in that. I drive a John Deere through the growing months and my neck gets red.

Guess I could have used stupid motherfuckers, but I'm not sure of their relations with their mothers.

Guess I could have said that the gun thing with these fine upstanding citizens who like to shoot protected species is some kind of strange phallic compensation affectation, but I'm not that sure of their sexuality... But what the fuck do I know, I'm just a stupid redneck.

[cwydro]

102. i lived in Germany for two years

and never saw anything like that. Saw the hunting platforms, but they were in the WOODS. I lived in a very rural area. Germans in general are very respectful of property rights and gun laws.

[Horse with no Name]

100. I grew up in Arizona

in an area that had alot of dove hunting.
Our front yard was about 1/2 acre...we had a picnic area on one side of the yard with lawn chairs and chaise lounges and bird baths.
We spent a great deal of time sitting outside under the trees and watching the birds, so it was very much like a sanctuary.
It was surrounded by 15-20 large trees and we had alot of doves in and out of our property.
My dad was a badass. I mean, a tough guy, Charles Bronson-isque bad ass.
In a fit of rage one time, I saw him pick up a refrigerator and toss it out the door. Anyway...different story--just proof to point.
It was about 6 in the am during dove hunting season and we heard shots being fired very close to the windows of our bedrooms.
My Dad went outside and there were 4 guys sitting at our picnic tables and in our lawnchairs just picking doves off out of the trees.
My Dad loved animals and went berserk...psycho if you will on those 4 hunters.
When the police and ambulance came, my Dad handed the police all 4 shotguns that he "confiscated" from the hunters.
We never had a problem after that.