C-SPAN caller: "All the Democrats want to do is kill babies!"

[kentuck]

The topic was about the vote in Iraq but he felt compelled to bring up the abortion argument. But since he did, we should address his remark. The truth is that the number of abortions went down under Bill Clinton, the last Demcratic president, and abortions have shot up under this Republican Administration. More babies have died under this Repubican supporters Adminstration than under the Democrats, if you are referring to the number of abortions that have taken place. Why do they wish to ignore this sad fact? Are they really concerned about the number of abortions or are they concerned about the issue of abortion. It appears they don't give a damn.

[H2O Man]

1. Sometimes watching tv

can be frustrating. Yesterday a woman on Fox news asked why does the country bother with the Fitzgerald grand jury investigation into something that happened ten years ago. Gosh, time sure flies by fast when you're having fun! On one hand, it seems mildly unfair that the fellow you mention and this lady have two votes that count just as much as well-informed people -- like us! On the other hand, we have to make use of the resources we have, and certainly their opinions can be used to illustrate the ignorance of many republicans.

[meegbear]

15. You mean like Whitewater?

I can already hear the "That's different" response.

[DemBones DemBones]

19. Wasn't Whitewater TWENTY years past when the

Starr chamber investigation went on?

Not to even mention that the "outing" of Valeria Plame as a CIA agent was NOT ten years ago, or even five years ago.

What can we do about the morans?

[jonnyblitz]

46. and to top it off, the Clintons LOST money from their investment

in Whitewater. :crazy:

[Jawja]

26. Excuse me,

but is this caller too stupid to remember that White Water was a TWENTY year old issue?

You see, people, this is why our country is so F*CKED!! :mad:

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Ten years ago?

Oh gosh. Someone didn't go through elementary math. :crazy:

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

2. All the Democrats want to do is kill babies?

Not me. I belong to the flog conservatives focus group.

[dalaigh lllama]

40. I want to join, too!

The Flog Conservatives Focus Group :rofl:

[johnfunk]

41. Give that idiot C-SPAN caller a medal...

... or at least a badge:

[FizzFuzz]

56. *snort*

great pic--where can I get one?

but seriously, I finally had a moment of thinking maybe a tiny bit of the real message is just beging to seep through the cement? Actually, very nice person, except for his political views; don't know why this friendship (which is a light coworker friendship) obsesses me sometimes. Its so frustrating to see a truly nice young man, who seems totally committed to trying to be a good christian, be brainwashed. BUT I finally had an opportunity to speak about my views on an issue, and add in some truth for him: That "Liberals" don't kill babies, and as Liberal, I and ALLL other liberals I know are strongly offended at being thought of that way. .....Then I had a chance to explain a little more that he seemed to get, on a certain level......

And I remarked that actually, he'd be surprised just how many values conservatives like him, and liberals share. That's the problem right there, IMO. They want to do what's right, the sincere young people, anyway--if you can explain the issue in human terms, what kind of suffering their view would cause to many traumatized, suffering people, they might be ready to open one eye a little.

maybe.....

[kestrel91316]

45. Hell, I belong to the "roast and eat them after aborting them" club.

Sheesh.

I SOOOOOO hate stupid people.

[blue neen]

52. Sign me up!

That sounds like my kind of focus group. Actually they are doing a pretty good job of flogging themselves right now!

:hi:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

3. Not true!

We also want to burn all bibles, make heterosexuality illegal, sell Long Island to communist China for $24, repeal the constitution and the bill of rights and ban motherhood and apple pie. This woman needs to get her facts straight!

[depakid]

4. This is why I stopped watching that show

Too many delusional people call in. They really need to do a better job of screening out the nutcases. It ruins the program for everyone when people like that are allowed to rant about their personal obsessions.

[journalist3072]

53. I know, right?

I had to stop listening to Washington Journal too, for my mental health. I used to listen to it on my walkman, on the bus in the morning on the way to work.

And I would find my blood boiling from the crazy stuff the Repugs would be saying. It's like they have contests to see which one of them can say the most idiotic, extremist thing.

[BlueIris]

5. Nonsense. Democrats also want to kill bunnies, harbor seals,

and cute puppies. The foeti are way, waaaay down on this list of things we want to kill.

[pinniped]

33. Say it ain't so!

[prolesunited]

50. Actually

it's the Republicans that want to do that.

[Smarmie Doofus]

6. nnnnhhhCoffee first. Kill babies #2. nhhhmhhh....nnnnn.

[BlueIris]

11. Okay, this is hysterical.

I confess, I'm still a tad wary of anyone with a post count of under 1,000--but you're funny.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

28. Aye, I agree--

and this coming from an under-1000!

;) ;)

[helderheid]

38. LMAO!

:rofl:

[Skidmore]

7. New hate language learned from CSPAN yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2159139

See the above thread and the one linked to it from yesterday regarding some vile hate speech from a Jack Wheeler broadcast on CSPAN. People, wake up, the Rs are in the process of creating a new level of lingua Gingerich. This is the level of political discource they are aiming for now and it need to be stopped before it gets started. THis man needs to be denounced sharply for this rhetoric. It fuels division and fear.

[LynnTheDem]

8. WHO is KILLING BABIES in Iraq??? WHO is CHEERING ON the killing

of babies in Iraq?

Gee...REPUBLICANS.

[pstans]

9. That is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard

:wtf:

[rosesaylavee]

10. It's not about the number of babies aborted - it is about

control over women and their right to make choices for themselves. I know that there are women involved in the RtoLife movement but more often than not, it is a male somewhere bemoaning the loss of fetus' whenever I see a protest or discussion on television.

Its about control and who ultimately makes the decisions on that control.

[kentuck]

13. Exactly....because if they were worried about number of abortions...

that have taken place in the last 5 years, they would ask why there are more abortions under their watch than under the "liberals"? Who's doing a better job at stopping these "killings"?

[Missy M]

12. I am getting so tired of that same old rhetoric from the right wing....

fundies in this country. The last thing I want to do is kill babies and that is why I am so opposed to the war in Iraq.

[Skidmore]

14. It's not just the fundies. This is the political language of the R Party

used to fuel divisiveness. Read my post above. Until there is an organized and meaningful denunciation of this crap, we will continue to hear it. We need to quit letting them define who we are. Stand up and fight it. Every time one of us criticizes the Dems in office now we hear that we are taking out our own. When we say that Dems are rolling over on major votes and issues, we are told we're disloyal. Then we hear "OMG, they are talking nasty about us." Well, let get some faces out there with voices behind them telling the world that this type of speech is unacceptable and telling the world that the face of America is not what is being portrayed now. Do not just look at the issue. The tactic they are using is designed to detract from the issue. Neuralize the tactic.

[Missy M]

16. You are so right on what has to be done by the Dems...

I believe one of the issues the Republicans are always hammering on is that Dems/Liberals spend the taxpayers money like mad dogs and we are creating a welfare state. We want to give everything away and have everyone not working and just sitting around collecting from the government. Nothing is further from the truth but this tactic scares many people. The Dems have to deflate this image because it is certainly far from the truth. They have to keep stating they want good paying jobs for the people, health care for everyone and good schools for the children, keeping Social Security intact, protecting the environment and our parks and wildlife etc. and no corporate welfare.

[xchrom]

17. they've been encouraging this language since reagan.

it's how gingrich got his star to rise after all.
among others.

it's this kind of language that mcveigh took to heart{he was supposed to} when he blew up the federal building.

[Skidmore]

18. Exactly. And everytime they engage in it, we sit back and

accept it, never calling them on it. Dems come to a tea party and sip tea daintily while the Rs bludgeon them in their seats.

[bowens43]

20. Both the abortion rate and the teen pregnancy rate

are higher in red states. Maybe they should spend a little time trying to find out why.

[kentuck]

21. Where does the "liberal" state of Massachusetts rank ?

Does anyone know?

[theHandpuppet]

23. Links are at this site

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/massachusetts.html

The stats are downloadable as PDFs.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

22. Yeah!

When ARE we getting together for a good old-fashioned BABY KILL? I find it always works well in October, along with Octoberfest.

[kestrel91316]

47. Instead of bratwurst and beer, we can have BABIES AND BEER!

[Tim4319]

24. At least Dem's don't discriminate!

Re-thugs just want to kill black babies.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

25. that guy calls at least once a week

and that's all he says.

[Puglover]

27. That's one of my issues with Cspan

They give these nutters a forum and IMHO it's a waste of time.

[mikelewis]

30. That's one of the strengths of C-Span...

Democracy cannot exist in a bubble. If the callers truly feel this way, I am glad C-Span offers them a chance to speak. It's the essence of Democracy and Free Speech. I don't agree with them but I'm glad a forum like C-Span exists so not only can the Fundies have a national sounding board but us Dems can have one too. I believe C-Span is what real news should be. They lay it all out and let you make up your own mind. It's awesome and I love it. Keep in mind, it also gives our "nutters" a sounding board as well.

[Puglover]

36. So you think "all democrats want to do is kill babies"

is a viable offering to the national discourse. Sorry, that's not free speech it's hyperbolic lunacy. I love Cspan too btw. And I'm very much aware we have loons on the left as well.

[Jackpine Radical]

43. CSPAN ain't DU.

Let these idiots speak. It's self-satire.

Anyway, it's not true that all I want to do is kill babies. I want to eat them too.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

29. I'd rather kill fetuses

than functioning human beings in an illegal, immoral war...

Cheesh. Those kool-aid imbibers had BEST get their facts straight. ;)

[liberalitch]

31. Yup! That's me.... (only response I'll gratify that with)

[DanCa]

32. I have been called a toddler killer and an embryo farmer when it comes to

stem cell research. I guess the fundies dont care about iraqi's or black babies.

[kestrel91316]

49. They don't care about you or me or anybody else who isn't in

their little group of the HOLY "SAVED" ONES. All the rest of us are Satan's spawn.

[Toots]

34. I wonder if a study has been done as to location of majority of abortions

Like say Red states vs Blue states. I would venture a guess that more abortions occur in the Red States than blue. Would be interesting to find that stat.

[lpbk2713]

35. Just another dittohead parrot.

They don't have the capacity to think for themselves. They just repeat what they hear from Blimpo the Windbag.

[Emit]

37. I think this is really important to fight this kind of rhetoric

Having a nephew who is a fanatical religious nut (and his wife is worse), I know from experience that his church is where he gets this from. The fanatical churches are responsible for this, IMO (although I know that the GOP talking points spur it on, as well). But, it has been drilled into these folks for a looong time now. They're brainwashed and obsessed with this.

As a precinct leader in the last (s)election, I couldn't even begin to tell you how the abortion issue was the deciding factor for whether people chose to support Kerry or Bush & Co. Even intelligent, reasonable people were bringing this issue up during the canvassing of my neighborhood. They didn't want to talk war or politics---only abortion. And, they viewed putting Bush & Co. in power another 4 years as an opportunity to change the courts and reverse Roe v Wade. It's why so many are now pissed at the Miers nomination. Bottom line is, they supported this regime just to get their chance at a new SCOTUS nominee, and were promised a chance at overturning Roe v Wade.

Even my 14-year-old came up against this while at a friend's church camp the summer before the last (s)election. We had forwarned her of what the particular church camp 'counselor' might talk about, and she wanted to experience it for herself (and was, at the time, good friends with the girl, whose father was the minister of the church). She came back and reported exactly what we had been concerned about: 1)Get your parents to vote for Bush & Co, he's the most 'Christian' candidate 2) Abortion, abortion abortion and only liberal baby killers support Kerry 3) and Armageddon is coming!

It's a good thing we prepared her, because she stayed up most of the night arguing with the camp 'counselor' until, I think, he couldn't wait to see her go. Needless to say, she is no longer friends with the girl. (BTW, what's a male camp 'counselor' doing talking to my daughter about abortion, anyway?! The fact that this is often driven by men also lead me to believe what a previous poster noted: it's about control of women. And, YES, I did call and complain, and it was a blatant example of mixing politics and religion, which I complained about, too.)

It's been in the works for over 30 years now. They are a cult, and can only think in black and white terms: If you're a liberal, you're a baby killer, because that's what they've been taught. It's what most of the common (not elite) supporters of the right are driven by, IMHO. It's been an effective way to control the masses.

I stand up to it, and have gotten myself into a lot of arguments about it, unfortunately. But, I think it's extremely important to try to counter this rhetoric.

[goodboy]

39. They're not pro-life, they're pro BIRTH, they don't give a shit about that

life once it's out of the womb.

In fact, because they support war, and the death penalty, you could say they're die-hard proponents of EXTREME LATE-TERM ABORTION!!!!

[Patsy Stone]

42. The other morning, waaay too early on Washington Journal

Karen Pearl, Interim President of Planned Parenthood, took a call from Tulsa, OK, on the Miers nomination:

"The way I decide is, I watch Planned Parenthood, and whoever they come out against, I'm for. And another thing, there won't be many liberals left, because it's liberal babies they're killing. It's not conservative babies that are dying."

http://www.c-span.org/Search/basic.asp?BasicQueryText=washington+journal&SortBy=date

Oct 10 - About 1:54 in.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. I know why

Because Bush is a God-fearing Christian man and Clinton isn't. :eyes: :sarcasm:

[journalist3072]

51. And all they want to do is...

-- Kill our sons and daughters by sending them to die in an illegal and baseless war

-- Kill foreign leaders who simply have policy differences with the United States

-- Help starve poor Americans, by decreasing funding for the food stamp program at a time when people might need it the most, like those recovering from Hurricane Katrina.


And I could go on and on.

The Republican wing-nuts clearly have their talking points and marching orders. I've got a wing-nut on my blog, who is clearly a single issue voter. He keeps saying that Democrats want "abortion on demand."

And he can NEVER give me a straight answer, when I ask him why Republicans love the fetus but hate the child. Why they don't talk about the need to care about children once they are born, by giving them universal health care, and making sure they have enough to eat.

[jmm]

54. And what about the Republicans who want to

deny babies health care, school lunches, a decent education, financial security, safe homes, clean air, peace and prosperity?

Won't someone think of the children!

[Neil Lisst]

55. Killing babies isn't ALL we want to do! Sure, it's fun but ...

... but there is so much more to the day. We've got that welfare cheese to get, and food stamps, and WIC, and medicare, and SSI payments, and our free van service, and helping godless communists keep Cuba.

[tamtam]

57. No they don't care it is all about control

Seriously, if they honestly cared about babies they would do a little research into why abortion rates are up under shrub. This is about control of women simple as that. I know there are women who oppose abortion and I usually tell them not to have one if they oppose it. Usually when I get into an argument with the fundie women they spout out crazy shit too. When I was discussing abortion on a message board some lady came out with "what if that baby wants to live, what if the baby is screaming let me live" I decided right then and there there was no getting to these people. I'm no doctor or scientist but I'm pretty sure the brain of a fetus isn't fully developed while in the womb.

These people have drawn a line and have hopped, skipped and jumped over it. They have been after the overturn of roe v wade since the day it was decided. They are so determined to get their way that they have lost all common sense and reasoning. They fail to realize they are in the minority. Most of America want it to stay the law of the land because most people understand it's about the right of privacy. The fundie right are so hypocritical; they are killing babies as we speak in Iraq and while that is going on they are yelling god bless America. I cannot stand hypocrites especially the religious ones because they soil spirituality in their so called "quest" to be a better person.

[tamtam]

58. Sorry dup (eom)