Is Suppression of a Coming Revolution the Reason * Wants to Repeal Posse

[rbajai]

Think about it. There is a reason why * keeps urging Congress to amend (code word for "repeal") the Posse Comitatus Act, which currently bars the military from arresting U.S. citizens and confiscating legally owned weapons. Here's my theory.

First, the new bankruptcy laws. People are about to get REALLY PISSED OFF about how hard it will be now to file. Now you have to take credit counseling, and you will have to pay some of that money back. But how? The reason you went bankrupt is because you can't afford to pay your bills in the first place! So if one has no job, and no money coming in, but huge bills, how the hell will they be expected to pay a portion of that money back? Isn't that the POINT of bankruptcy protection?

Now watch what happens when the housing bubble pops. Not only will people find out they've been suckered into these risky "no interest" loans whereby they pay only the interest right now, but the whole thing is based on the home values continuing to rise. In some markets, it's beginning to slow a little bit. What happens if people find out in three years that not only has their home decreased in value, but they now have to pay far more per month in mortgage. This month it may be $3500, but next month it may be $4000! Some economists say if the bubble pops many people will have to pay DOUBLE on their mortgage, and many will just simply walk away from their homes. Then if they declare bankruptcy, they will end up actually OWING MONEY now on that house they can't even afford to live in!

Now take the latest labor trends. Jobs overseas. Executive level management fattening their wallets while laying off thousands of workers who are then left to fend for themselves.

My theory? * knows that a MASSIVE revolution is coming to America. He knows this because his Rethug party has passed some laws that are REALLY GOING TO PISS PEOPLE OFF, including the latest unfair Bankruptcy Bill. In his mind, he says "so what, we'll just get Posse Comitatus repealed and they can see their rights get tossed out the window." No more miranda rights. No more antiwar protests. No more labor unions. No more peaceful gatherings. No more dissent.

Why do you think * ordered that military exercise whereby they practiced martial law being imposed on a group of demonstrators - ON THE VERY DAY of the latest huge anti-war gathering on September 24? Why do you think he was at NORTHCOM headquarters halfway across the country on that day?

People beter WAKE UP!! Because we are FAST turning into a fascist regime. I would urge you to pick up your phone and call Congress at 1-877-762-8762 and tell them you don't want to see Posse Comitatus repealed. Tell them you want to keep our country a free one, and that we need to keep CURRENT LAWS on the books.

And hey - thanks for helping keep our country a free one.

[cap]

1. people are starting to question too many things...

and they are getting to the point where they have nothing to lose. Too many of these people are very educated.

[In Truth We Trust]

2. Obviously

[converted_democrat]

3. Posse Comitatus needs to stay put.........n/t

edited- because I wanted to.

[tk2kewl]

4. Have you heard of "The Universal Adversary"?

It might help you answer your question...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5050779&mesg_id=5050779

[converted_democrat]

5. Thank you for directing me to that thread.......I had no clue ....

they were really "THAT" evil.

[tk2kewl]

7. i have found that it's safe to assume that they will always be

more horrific than i could imagine.

i used to just be shocked every time i learned something new about the depths of busCo's viciousness; nothing surprises me any longer

[Raster]

51. That evil and then some.

[DemBones DemBones]

6. Ah, the All Purpose Bogeyman!

Osama bin Laden is an anagram of Dial a Bonesman.

[tk2kewl]

8. LOL

:D I never heard of that anagram before

[SpiralHawk]

9. Dial a Bonesman?

Is that what Jeff Gannon did?

[DemBones DemBones]

14. Jeff Gannon? Maybe

LAID A BONESMAN ?

[mom cat]

16. Thanks...I had not seen that.. It is a must read...

[rbajai]

20. I saw that...

thanks for posting. Scary crap.

Michael Moore had it right on: "Dude, where's my country."

[texpatriot2004]

39. Hadn't heard of that. DHS huh? I'm speechless.n.t

[Virginian]

57. Those scenarios remind me of

After 9/11 the govt wanted people to give them scenarios as to what could be a terrorist target.

That document looks like some of the threats were compiled into one place. What is so odd is that the descriptions are so specific. Anthrax in orange juice distributed to a specific number of specific locations.

I can hear them now, "No one could have ever imagined that anyone would put cyanide in Tylenol and distribute it to New Jersey and Chicago."

[CrispyQ]

10. A massive campaign of LTTE would be great, too!

It may be the only way some of the sheeple will find out.

I'm writing mine this weekend.

[leftofthedial]

11. must preserve the coup and protect the junta

[raccoon]

12. Oh, I think that's the reason too. To keep the rabble under

control.

[dusty64]

13. This is EXACTLY

what I've been worried about. This can NOT be allowed to happen.

[bryant69]

15. What forthcoming revolution?

You mean like the Reagan revolution when we VOTED a lot of new people into power? Or do you mean a take to the streets and kill our neighbors kind of Revolution?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[rbajai]

23. I do not advocate violence for ANY REASON...

Just to say that some people may get so angry about what is going on and how our current Rethug government has deceived them and robbed them blind, they may resort to violence. I am saying that * knows this, that people will get angry once his horrible policies hit them hard, and perhaps people will react violently. Why? Because * is changing our government from a Democratic Republic into a Fascist Dictatorship. Knowingly. Willingly. With the blessing and encouragement of the neocons.

If I had my way we would have peaceful demonstrations, etc. I encourage peaceful protest and nonviolent civil disobedience, and I wholeheartedly discourage violence. But the reality is that some may get so upset and mad, with nothing left to lose, that they will resort to violent acts.

* is aware of all of this, and so he is setting the stage for a fascist military police state whereby dissent is quickly suppressed and the rest of the population is forced into submission through fear and intimidation. Think Saddam...think Hitler...think Stalin...same deal, only here in the U.S.

[bryant69]

24. So you aren't advocating violence

you're just not going to be surprised when it erupts?

[rbajai]

25. Some people act unpredictably when they see that they've been decieved,

fooled, tricked, and robbed blind by the very institution that is supposed to be "For the people, by the people, and of the people." That is all I'm saying.

[spindrifter]

17. This will lead to the

grave possibility that we will have a military coup. If the military gains more power, it can be used downward against the people--but it can also be used to take over an unjust government. Let's see--how many military coups have occurred elsewhere? That is why these bozos should walk away from their efforts to change the role of the American military on home territory.

[rbajai]

22. That is a very interesting thought.

So true...there IS that possibility indeed. * has done nothing but destabilize the United States AND the World by his gross misdeeds.

[stevietheman]

31. In my estimation, a military coup would turn out in the people's favor,

as America's military is many shades different than military organizations of other nations. They are sworn to uphold the Constitution. And I believe that if they felt the need to stage a coup, the purpose would be to *restore* the Constitution and immediately set up new elections.

Note: I'm not advocating a coup nor revolution at this time. However, I, like many others, am monitoring governmental developments. Bush and his thugs are saying and doing some very frightening things that lend credence to the idea that they are indeed fascist in nature. If the regime goes too far, I'm certain many Americans would find methods, violent or not, for dealing with it.

[leanin_green]

47. You forget, my dear fellow DU'er,

The military is made up of generals and the general staff. Those same generals were pretty pissed at JFK back in '63, and JFK was one of them(a war vet). Imangine how they are beginning to feel about *. It wouldn't suprise me that a great deal of the general staff detest * and the neo-cons. I'm just not sure about where their heads are at when it comes to how things should be run in this country. They don't seem to mind torturing detainees for their own ends. Not to mention creating a great deal of collateral damage. Perhaps we should be careful about what we wish for. Not that we are wishing for a military coup.

[AntiFascist]

42. You bravely expressed some thoughts I also had nt

[petron]

18. Time for revolution

n/t

[Jose Diablo]

19. Don't forget the assault weapons

Now why would these guys want assault rifles in the hands of the opposition during an insurrection? It makes no sense unless you consider they Want an insurrection and the need for the military to supplant and control local police.

Arm the opposition to the point where a military is just barely needed, then the military moves into position and takes over from the local control. It's a federalization move, bringing a new reconstruction period for the carpetbaggers.

Part of the IMF playbook is to plan for a people's revolt over the economics of stealing the 'commons' by the corporatist/globalists.

[rbajai]

21. Ahhhhhh...

maybe that's why * allowed the ban on assult weapons to expire without taking action.

It's all coming clearer and clearer now. These guys are PURE EVIL. We simply cannot let them get away with it.

[400Years]

26. It's also the real reason you have cameras on street corners etc.

The entire police state aparatus has been set up for the very purpose of suppressing any kind of uprising that will occurr with our dwindling lifestyles.

[Jose Diablo]

27. With those cameras, I feel safer already

Besides, if they would have had cameras in London, that transit station wouldn't have been...uh..wait a minute, they did have cameras.

I wonder what companies profited from all these cameras, it couldn't have been about security, they started putting those cameras in on Clinton's watch, long before 9-11. True, it accelerated after 9-11, but started much earlier than the need, so it seems.

[400Years]

28. Isn't it amazing how they magically stop working

when they capture something that might expose government misconduct.

[kath]

58. The cameras on the interstates make me feel so safe too. Isn't it

wonderful that there are cameras everywhere to keep us safe?

[kineneb]

60. cameras need power...

hence wires/wireless connections. Sounds like job for one well-aimed bullet or arrow. Or teen-aged hacker. Remember to pack the monkeywrench...

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. been saying this for a while

this is the monent that people will ahve to decide, how much you want to sacrifice?

We are at taht moment... and yes they know it is coming, maybe...

[Jose Diablo]

30. I have a respect for you, in the stuff you point out

But as for revolution, as in raising arms and fighting, stuff like that, I am completely against it. I know you are also so please don't take this the wrong way, like I am being critical.

Here is the deal, there are many different types of revolution and most of them that result in fighting in the streets don't work. When fighting erupts, chaos sets in and its a crap shoot about the final outcome. In most cases if fighting erupts, it works to those that are in power's benefit. Look at the Weathermen and SDS, but these groups were infiltrated with agent provocateurs, thats why they lost. They ended-up being cut loose by the public because they became violent.

Thats why I think the far better way to revolt is to just stop doing what the power wants. Not cooperate. Don't give them anything. When things grind to a halt, you can be sure the ones in power are finished. The power depends on voluntary cooperation. Without that cooperation they are done. Thats all it really takes, just say no and show-up in public to show that we say and mean no, enough is enough.

If they, the power, then resorts to violence, expose them and respond, massively, overwhelmingly with public information showing what they did. Like at Kent State. I think that was the end of Vietnam, Kent State.

Truth is, these guys in power are like piss-ants on the butt of a huge animal. They can only profit from that animal as long as the animal doesn't itch. The power knows this and hopes they can out think the animal, keep it confused and unaware of what they are doing.

It's not like I'm against violence per sey, it just that it doesn't work. The results of physically fighting are iffy. And if it ends up after trying non-violent means to force change (even Gandhi wouldn't have laid down in front of a tank to grease the tracks with his guts), well the people in this country are armed to the teeth. This scares those in DC and in the board rooms, you can bet on that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Oh this country has had many revolutions

1 violent (1776) and shall we count the rest?

1800 peaceful

1860-80 not really

1932 peaceful

1960s, peaceful

1980 peaceful

We are well overdue for one, and whether it will be peaceful, mostly or not, good question

[leanin_green]

48. I see what your saying, but. . .

you forget that the type of resistance you advocate is really worthless in the face of what type of country these fuckers envision.

All the technology is at their disposal. And if the military is in cahoots, it's game over. You can resist, as you describe, but they'll just say, "Okay, get in line, move here, don't walk there, etc. All this at the point of a gun.

If things 'grind to a halt,' those in power are most definately "not" finished. They will become desparate. Desparation breeds extreme action. They will move to consolidate power. And * is becoming just unhinged enough to make his move, too.

[IndyOp]

32. They don't have to wait for massive public uprising --

The Tipping Point: Avian Flu - Tularemia - Bioterrorism

[bunny planet]

33. Yup.

[GuvWurld]

35. Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution

http://tinyurl.com/au2pj

[Jose Diablo]

62. Very good

A well thought out analysis of the situation. Reaching the 'tipping point' does not happen overnight and the ideas of action to take, like 'whats next' and the least that can be done are slow and cumbersome.

But thats the whole point of peaceful revolution and 'permanent' solutions to what ails our country. Even if a point is reached that the government does have the consent of the governed, those people that want to subvert that would still be around. Even the idea permanence is a illusion. What a crummy world.

We all, everyone of us have been living in a lie, that our country is a free Democracy and our government has the 'Consent of the Governed'. All that crap we learned in civics class is just so much horse manure. I wonder when 'we the people' ever did have the power to control these agents of the government.

My earliest recollection of thinking about the government was when JFK was shot. And as I look at history (trying to read between the lines from the accounts of history) I don't think my parents ever experienced a free life either, nor their parents. This country was subjugated by the power centers probably shortly after our countries founding, I'd say around 1830ish or so.

The only thing a hot revolution would do would embed these power centers even further into control. Nor would taking those in power and lining them against a wall do any good. Others would step into position to fill their place. It's like that mythical beast, the Hydra. Cut-off one head, another just grows back. Think of the french revolution for this example.

But what you speak about in your link will work, but it's gonna take a long time. Do we have that much time?

[GuvWurld]

63. How much time do we have is a good question.

Thanks for your feedback on the Blueprint. Nobody can say for sure how much time we have or need. I certainly feel a lot of urgency, even as I suggest a long view.

As I study the social change efforts around me, I see a need for making a better connection between the choices we make now for immediate action and real goals I think we ought to pursue for the future. Sometimes those far off goals are, as I call them in the Blueprint, false alternatives. That's one big part of looking at improving our efficacy as agents of change.

But it is also about focusing our next steps on matters that address root causes. And then even here we have the challenge of harnessing the volume created by enough voices shouting the same message. This is where it starts. What is the message? What stance can increasing numbers of people take in harmony? What can resonate enough to shake the foundation and advance OUR quest for freedom and liberty? These were the ideas I considered as I put together the Blueprint.

[nashville_brook]

36. agree with one caveat: massive economic crisis (end of "end of ideology")

"revolution" as in roving gangs of people with weapons...that's not much different than a typical night clubbing. yes, totally -- something economically bad this way comes...but "the Revolution" isn't going to be violent until the "feds" get their troops on the ground. in that sense, i the "revolution" isn't us doing the fighting. the way the men are moving on the chessboard.

lewis laplam's recent piece on Fascism reminded me of the 50s political theory called "end of ideology". basic idea was that civil unrest would be bred out of us by making us all "company man" -- fat and happy. we'd be happy slaves. laplam suggests that we have outdone ourselves in creating our own dystopic corporate slavery. the "breakdown" that is coming is most certainly going to be a corporate exodous. they extracted all the resources they need from us; they'll be moving on now. to india, viet nam, and haiti.

i see the "positive" side of this. in an economic breakdown scenario i think we'll band together just fine -- and THAT CAN'T BE ALLOWED. we have evidence of this dynamic in the Katrina response in New Orleans. when all hell broke lose it came from little serial killers (my pet name for the "law" down there) in their natty suburbs not allowing people to flee the flooding.

it was a breakdown scenario, but the reports of citizen violence were grossly overblown. by and large you had neighbors helping neighbors. now they're rounding citizens up to serve on clean up teams. making them sleep outside on the pavement.

http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2475

my fear is, in the case of a massive economic disruption, people are going to organize on the local level to protect citizens from federal aggression.

so, i guess i see the dark side of what the govt is up to. i see the states going after corporations which is NOT allowed; but the have no choice. the rubber has met the road. watch the tussle with insurance companies being sued by states to honor all damage regardless of "hurricane" status. that's a major swat at the big PTB and it's a STATE that's doing it. it's gonna be the feds who attempt to stop it.

this might not be much different that what you're talking about. except if the military is introduced on US soil, it's going to CAUSE a breakdown -- not correct one.

in a "massive economic disruption" we'll see people adapt/react/respond in creative, powerful way and they are going to USE a "breakdown scenario" such as violence or a flu outbreak to squeeze the locals out of helping their own.

[petgoat]

37. Donning a very speculative hat....

What if "Peak Oil" is for real? Then surely Cheney and the oil mafia
know all about it. They envision economic and social chaos. Even
agriculture, which uses massive amounts of energy, will be affected.

Maybe the Pukes are planning ahead for what comes in fifteen or twenty
years. Tax cuts are to allow the upper crust to prepare to withdraw
into their gated, defensible communities.

Invading Iraq (and deliberately fomenting chaos there) is to control
the oil reserves.

The Dems' quiescence, too, is explained by this. They agree these
things need to be done but they aren't willing to openly betray their
principles to do it. Instead they stand by and let a regime of rogue
Republicans take responsibility for the dirty deeds.

Something like half the House co-sponsored Rush Holt's bill that would
have outlawed unauditable voting machines. But how many
Congresspeople did you hear screaming about it when Bob Ney sat on the
bill in his House Administrative Committee, or when the Election
Assistance Commission was sabotaged through inadequate funding? How
many Congresspeople are speaking out about obvious media suppression?

The Bush regime could not do what it does without the complicity of
the Democrats. Geez, I turn my back for twenty years and look what
happens!

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. ok here we go

Peak oil is real

Invasion of Iraq, we have a winner, read the PNAC papers

BBV, many of our congress people have been screaming, special Orders and their websites are the only outlets

There you have your dots

[eridani]

40. Peak oil is for real

We just don't know exactly when. Estimates range from right now to 20 years into the future.

[arikara]

43. Peak oil is upon us

and the robber barons are profiteering and price gouging as much as they can, while they can. The big companies are reporting record profits and getting away with it. That is going to add to the unrest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. It will be fun when the torches and pitchforks finally come

out.. wehther they are in the form of a pen or not is still to be determined

[Opusnone]

41. Keep your eyes on the MIllions More march tomorrow

http://www.millionmanmarch.org/index_noflash.html

Troops will fire on Americans before the end of *'s term, IMO. Watch the mall tomorrow for any increase in law enforcement aggression. It doesn't help racial tensions seeing that old man in NO being beaten up every five minutes on cable news.

[Helga Scow Stern]

44. They are afraid of the hell that will break loose when they try to steal

yet more elections. The next time people won't be in such a stupor.

[johnaries]

45. He's desperately looking for an excuse to declare Martial Law.

He tried to get Blanco to turn over all control of the National Guard and local police before Katrina. Then, they made up rumors of helicopters being shot at as an excuse.

Now, he's trying to claim that if the Avian Flu hits, the military is needed to "quarantine" affected areas.

He wants to turn the US into a police state, plain and simply.

[EC]

46. It's all these private armies being built up

that bother me, like Blackwater and CACI...also, **and Norquist and pals don't seem concerned about loss of power, which tells me they have contingency plans to keep power...

[leanin_green]

50. And the camps stand ready.

All they need is a phony nuclear terroist threat within the country. Problem is, all this crying wolf over the last few years is beginning to catch up with them. The thing that these idiots tend to forget is the fact that the American people can only be fooled for so long. I mean, for the most part, we are complicit in our own demise. But, people are beginning to smell a rat.

[Tower]

49. More like suppression of a counter-revolution.

We've been living in a slow motion corporatist revolution for several years now.

[dogday]

52. America as we knew it is gone

and has been replaced with Corporate and Wealthy interests. It is a freaking shame....

[Pepperbelly]

53. It absolutely will not happen.

Just like the Bush ponzi scheme on Social Security will not happen. With that single mention of amending Posse Comitatus, legions of opposition from the entire political spectrum immediately jumped foursquare in his shit. No one wants it amended. Not Congress. Not the voters. Hell, not even the military.

Check this out in the Houston Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/3377358

In the Toledo Blade, Marilou Johanek noted: "But someone with even half a brain in the Bush circle of cherished cronies needs to nix a slippery suggestion by the commander in chief that the military should take a greater role in responding to homeland disasters. The very idea that the Pentagon would expand its job description from fighting wars to resolving any homeland crises from natural disasters to man-made ones should make the skin crawl on every freedom-loving American."

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051014/COLUMNIST13/510140318/-1/NEWS11

A Google Search reveals no actual changes being proposed in Congress.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Posse+Comitatus+Act&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&start=0

I don't think he'll even manage to snag making his tax giveaways permanent, much less something as controversial as this.

:D

[ElectroPrincess]

54. We should focus on electing representatives that will WORK to

break up the mass media monopolies that are RUN by those mega-corporations that *profit* from perpetual war (for perpetual peace). Until we separate the USA press from these HUGE CORPORATIONS, then we are in "a world of shit!"

We don't have ANYTHING CLOSE to a free press in the USA. :cry:

[nomatrix]

55. This is nothing new

Camps and more
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm


http://www.policestateplanning.com/chapter_10.htm
-snip-

"FEMA
The legislation for a massive internment operation in the U.S. was created when President Ronald Reagan was considering invading Nicaragua. He issued a series of executive orders that provided the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) with broad powers in the event of a "crisis" such as "violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition against a U.S. military invasion abroad". From 1982-84 Colonel Oliver North assisted FEMA in drafting its civil defence preparations. Details of these plans emerged during the 1987 Iran-Contra scandal. They included executive orders providing for suspension of the constitution, the imposition of martial law, internment camps for over 21 million Americans, and the turning over of government to the president and FEMA. Disturbingly, the full facts and final contents of Mr Reagan's national plan remain uncertain. This is in part because President Bush took the unusual step of sealing the Reagan presidential papers in November 2002"

[dbeach]

56. history is repeating as again the NEVER satisfied world elites

want all for them and none for the rest

wars fear mongering and martial law are all means to an end

Its called a shake down and land grab.

first they shake down the middle class then they grab their land

ALL in the name of homeland security.

WHADDA RACKET!!
The real terrists are the 3 branches of govt in Wash DC.
[save a very few}

[linazelle]

61. I think that he just wants to militarize the country...period. The more

military, the more $$$ for Halliburton/Bechtel/KBR...

I don't think they foresee a revolution so much as they want to be able to get rid of anybody that stands in the way of the military industrial complex's money making ability.