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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 02:40 AM
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His poll #s plummet, * wants to use the military against citizens
Low poll #'s and falling popularity drive that lying lunatic * to seek martial law. Well, any excuse will do - hurricanes, bird flu - whatever as long as he is able to use the US Military on US citizens. With polls so low for * he's really pushing for this.

What happens if he gets it?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 02:41 AM
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1. civil war
Edited on Thu Oct-13-05 02:41 AM by nadinbrzezinski
the poltiical micro climate has changed, to the point that people have had it
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mestup Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 02:44 AM
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2. What happens if he gets it? Probably not much.
Americans have been slowly accepting greater authoritarian measures in slow doses since BushCo came to power.

Like it or not, sheeple tend to like being told what to do.

(Sorry. Guess I'm in a testy mood.)
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:04 AM
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3. "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
David Hume

You are right about the creeping erosion of civil liberties. It's been a gradual process. Were it to happen all at once people would suss it immediately and fight back. Another quote illustrates that neatly: "To each and every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". (Newton)

Look at everything that has been implemented or proposed in the context of how it impacts, or might impact, upon civil liberties and join the dots.

regards
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mestup Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:10 AM
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4. Yep. Put a frog in cold water and slowly keep turning up the heat...
It's all so depressing once you gain a greater worldview.

I don't know what it would take at his point to motivate citizens to fight back.

$15.00 a gallon gas?
Global closure of nail salons?

(That's mean.)

Hard to stay positive when everything looks so bleak.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:34 AM
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7. Perhaps if Smirk
asked them to sacrifice their children, they would turn against him.

Oh wait, he already has. Evidently, that's not enough.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:56 AM
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9. Like all "GOOD GERMANS" the chimp's talibornagain thugs
Can't wait to "KICK A LITTLE ASS" and "TAKE A FEW NAMES"
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 04:31 AM
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10. Yeah, and like all "GOOD GERMANS" they will get their asses stomped
in the end by the rest of the world.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:13 PM
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15. heh, heh, great cartoon swamp rat!!
Edited on Thu Oct-13-05 01:14 PM by 48percenter
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:50 PM
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16. Whoa, Swamp Rat!
I admit it took me a while to become accustomed to your art, but man oh man, you outdid yourself on this one!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:27 AM
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5. Then They Stay In Power Until The Rest of the World Invades Us
That is why they are building a theocracy. Theocracies, once established, remain in power until removed by an external force. Always.

:cry:
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progressivepolitics Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:27 AM
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6. this is the problem with fear sciences
How many times have we been conditioned to accept the theories of science without really knowing what they are even about. Most people can't explain or understand Newton's physics, or Einstien's yet they have complete faith in them. But they are in many ways contradictory. I don't know poop about physics though. This bird flu thing has been brewing in policy makers minds for sometime, and the hysteria that is begining to surround it is exemplified by Laurie Garret in "Foriegn Affairs" July/August 2005 "The Next Pandemic". The idea that there will be that many deaths is nothing short of fear mongering. How is it that it will be passable from human to human in the US when it has been around for quite a while in SE Asia without that result?

Why can't people step back, take a breath, and not get an ulcer?

For Bush to "try" to increase state power ahead of this is, of course, reprehensible.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 03:38 AM
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8. Welcome to DU progressivepolitics
:toast:
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 06:44 AM
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11. They Thought They Were Free
http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after1933,between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know it doesn't make people close to their government to be told that this is a people's government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing to do with knowing one is governing.

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if he people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. "One had no time to think. There was so much going on." "Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your "little men", your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about - we were decent people - and kept us so busy with continuous changes and "crises" and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the "national enemies", without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it - please try to believe me - unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, "regretted," that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these "little measures" that no "patriotic German" could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn't see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for the one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even to talk, alone; you don't want to "go out of your way to make trouble." Why not? - Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, "everyone is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there will be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to you colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked – if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in "43" had come immediately after the "German Firm" stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in "33". But of course this isn't the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.


What step do you suppose the Neocons are on now? How many steps are left?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:01 PM
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13. Thanks for this post. Yeah, what step are they on now and how
many steps are left?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 01:10 PM
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14. Well...they're building execution chambers at Gitmo...
And Americans won't say dick.

Then it's just a matter of bodycounts.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 05:23 PM
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17. Are you serious? I wouldn't put it past them. What's your source?
Where did you get that?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 10:41 PM
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18. Some links
Guantanamo Eyes Possible Execution Chamber

Guantanamo Team Preparing for Possibility of Execution Chamber and Permanent Prison.

Guantanamo officials are ready to provide a courtroom, a prison and an execution chamber if the order comes to try terror suspects at the base in Cuba, the mission commander said.

There also are plans to build a permanent modular detention facility, to imprison detainees who might be sentenced to indefinite terms, and an execution chamber should any be sentenced to death, he said.

``We're getting ready so we won't be starting from scratch,'' Miller said, speaking while on a visit to Washington D.C.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Guantanmo_eyes_061003.htm


BBC NEWS | Americas | Camp Delta death chamber plan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2979076.stm

Death Row Mulled for Guantanamo
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0606-04.htm

US Plans Death Camp at Guantanamo

Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday. The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.
http://www.rickieleejones.com/political/usplansdeathcamp.htm

or

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/052703B.shtml

U.S. Building More Prisons at Guantanamo

The U.S. military has announced it is building a fifth prison camp at Guantanamo.

Meanwhile, preparations continue for possible military tribunals, with a courthouse and permanent detention centre for any convicts. The tribunals also have power to impose the death sentence but officials said they have not built an execution chamber, though they have plans for every eventuality.
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/003533.html

Execution chamber report has Hicks's father worried
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/05/1057179208281.html?oneclick=true

US Plans Death Camp
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,6494000-401,00.html

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:08 AM
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19. Unbelievable Thanks.n.t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 06:58 AM
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12. Its OK. Our Democrat leaders think using the military on us is a fine idea
Edited on Thu Oct-13-05 07:48 AM by NNN0LHI
Thats why they haven't complained about it. So relax.

And we thought we were free.

Don
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