Latest Rove Plame denials emphasize "did not try to punish Joe Wilson"

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Why the sudden focus on whether Rove disclosed Plame's identity "to punish Joe Wilson"?

"Did Karl purposely set out to disclose Valerie Plame's identity in order to punish Joe Wilson for his criticism? The answer is, 'No,'" Luskin said. "That was his answer in July 2003 and in October 2003 (when he first testified.) And it remains his answer today."

"He always truthfully denied that he was never part of any campaign to punish Joe Wilson by disclosing the identity of his wife," Luskin said.

[Vincardog]

1. OK then WHY did they do it?

[Birthmark]

2. Pretty picking with his wording, isn't he?

I wonder why? :7

ON EDIT: Reading it again, look at this closely?

He always truthfully denied that he was never part of any campaign to punish Joe Wilson by disclosing the identity of his wife," Luskin said.

That's actually a double negative, meaning that Karl WAS part of such a conspiracy! I wonder if that is carelessness or an admission?

[ClintonTyree]

18. Good catch......

but what the hell difference will it make if he's indicted? Double negatives, dangling participles, I before E except after C....if the son of a bitch is guilty, hang 'em high! ;)

[Cha]

19. And cross the Ts and Dot

the eyes.

[flyarm]

24. my my..i read it three times and saw the same thing..

they are changing his denial to admission...these sob's always pull this shit...

"i never said 9/11 and saddam were connected".."i never said imminent threat"...they are so used to dual meanings ..and framing...

yes indeed this is an admission..and want to bet he will go into the grand jury and tell them they mis read what he actually said..and he will pull this shit out..

double speak...and bullshit ..its all these assholes are good for...double speak and lies..out right freaking lies!

fly

[Blue_In_AK]

35. Oh, duh...

I should read these replies before I post my own -- you said exactly what I said below.

[H2O Man]

3. Just trying to help.

Thanks, Karl.

[clydefrand]

4. And tonight at midnight, the sun will suddenly shine and bring

forth 90 degree temperatures here in the mountains of VA. Ha!

[Imagevision]

28. Rove is so full of shit - I'd pay a grand to bitch-slap him in the name

of the 1950 killed US. troops in Iraq.

Scum like Rove should die of aids the queer fuck...! yeah, I'm pissed at the mere sight of this punk....!~

[rzemanfl]

5. Spare us the bullshit Luskin, save it for the jury. n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. He did it to somehow discredit Joe Wilson's message.

One thing is certain, rove can use semantics about as well as anybody.

[EST]

7. More important was the aim to discredit, not punish.

That would just be icing.

[thinkingwoman]

8. trying to avoid conspiracy charges nt

[flyarm]

26. i don't think what he says now will matter...he outed not just valerie

but then a couple days later he outed brewster /jennings!! and possibly killed many of our agents or covered agents..in many countries..and he destroyed 13 years of wmd intelligence!
and god knows how many american agents lives and lively hoods were destroyed!..and he destroyed our national security!

hang the traitor!

i have no sympathy ..and i want to see him hang!

fly

[thinkingwoman]

38. I completely agree.

Treason.

[politicaholic]

9. Oh! He said no huh? Guess we should all pack up then...

nothing to see here, he said no.

[moobu2]

10. They’re such liars

Technically, they could be right, in that they “purposely set out to” advance the Neo-con war agenda, that someone suffered or "got punished" was secondary, and really, they could have care less anyway as long as they won. The end always justifies the means with these low life’s.

[JDPriestly]

36. "Intentional" can mean different things indifferent legal contexts.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the actor intended the end result. It can also mean that the actor intended simply to do the act. So, whether his claim that he did not purposely set out to out Plame might or might not help him. I don't know, but I would guess that determining his intent might be a jury matter. It all depends on the law the prosecutor is applying. As I understand it, more than one statute might apply, and the various statutes require that the prosecutor demonstrate different elements or the presence of different specific facts. So, Rove's protestations may or may not help him. I know this is confusing, but the point is, we just don't have enough information to determine what the prosecutor's strategy is, much less what Rove's and his lawyer's strategy is.

[aquart]

11. Doesn't matter why he did it, does it?

He knew he wasn't supposed to.

[Catrina]

12. Someone posted on DU

a few days ago that the real reason for outing Valerie Plame was to close down her network which was on the trail of WMDs.

The poster referred back to a post he, the same poster, had made two years ago in which he stated, AIRC, that this administration had intended to plant WMDS in Iraq, and that Valerie Plame's network may have discovered them, if not the plot.

There is also a theory about Judith Miller's role in all of this. She was an embedded journalist, reportedly not a very pleasant one, in Iraq, when an Iraqi scientist was supposed to lead the unit she was with, to evidence of WMDs. She, supposedly, would have had the scoop. WMDS FOUND IN IRAQ. But it did not happen, maybe because of the work of Valerie Plame's network.

The theory is that the outing of Valerie Plame and her network (remember that even after the furore of his initial story outing just her, Novak wrote another column two weeks later, outing her agency, which made no sense at the time) was because she and her network had ruined Cheney's 'baby' which was the intended planting of WMDs, which have been a major political victory for the administration and the neocons.

I have no idea how true this is, but have read it several times ~ maybe Fitzgerald knows.

[Cocoa]

13. his history will work against him.

I don't know if it's admissable, but Rove's years of supreme vindictiveness aren't exactly a secret...

"fuck him like he's never been fucked before."

[Burried News]

14. Has he denied trying to interfere with the publication of information

that would give the lie to Nuclear Weapons in Iraq. Did he deny they were trying to send a message to other intelligence agents (who knew there were no WMDs) to keep their mouths shut. Can he deny his efforts on many fronts to create a climate of fear so that the NeoCon agenda could be realized with minimal opposition? This is not Plamegate - This is Traitorgate and part and parcel of the Downing Street Minutes.

A war based on lies and the effort to stop anyone with the truth from stepping forward. That is what this is all about.

[tuvor]

15. So what? It's still treasonous.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

16. A little deconstruction

"Did Karl purposely set out to disclose Valerie Plame's identity in order to punish Joe Wilson for his criticism? The answer is, 'No,'

Sounds like he did disclose Valerie Plame's identity only not "purposefully". That's to get around that part of that law that says you have to knowingly and purposefully disclose the identity of a CIA agent. But once again, it sounds like the attorney hasn't glommed on to the fact that the law people are looking at right this minute is the Espionage Act not the more esoteric one about divulging CIA identities. (Although that law may be a bigger factor in the BJ part of this debacle)

"he was never part of any campaign to punish Joe Wilson by disclosing the identity of his wife". I guess they are saying some fragment of that sentence is untrue. The way they have phrased it makes me think that some fragments ARE true. Which fragment is the untrue part?

[Mnemosyne]

17. He's probably telling the truth on that.

He was trying to help the dick stop Valerie Plame's operation. They couldn't have cared less about "punishing" Wilson, that's pure horse pucky and just a cover, an opportunity to do the real dirt.
JMO

[Cha]

21. That's right..I had

forgotten that little tidbit.

[Mnemosyne]

27. I won't and now I have you

to help me remember.:evilgrin: :toast: :bounce:

[Cha]

29. Absolutely!

:toast: :bounce: :thumbsup: }(

[No Exit]

20. Why? Because if it was done to punish Joe Wilson, that

bolsters the assertion that it was a purposeful CONSPIRACY.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

31. VERY interesting point there. nt

.

[longship]

22. The alternative is scary.

If he didn't do it for revenge, than why in the fuck did he do it?

I can't think of any reason that makes any sense. The stupid git is lying again.

[bee]

23. punish no... discredit? yes. n/t

[mzteris]

30. that's what I was thinking.....

semantics - the last bastion of a liar.

[stepnw1f]

25. More Like Sabotage an Investigation...

into Nuclear proliferation on the black market.

[notadmblnd]

32. well then he must have done it to stop Plames group from

finding out abut Cheneys illegal arms sales? See how they lie and tell the truth at the same time?

[Oilwellian]

33. And let's not forget Tweety's testimony

"Fair game" sounds pretty vindictive to me.

[Blue_In_AK]

34. That last paragraph is a double negative

He denied that he NEVER was part -- in other words, he admitted that he was.

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. You have your answer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1835331

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051007/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A New York Times reporter has given investigators notes from a conversation she had with a top aide to Vice President
Dick Cheney weeks earlier than was previously known, suggesting White House involvement started well before the outing of a
CIA operative, legal sources said.

Times reporter Judith Miller discovered the notes -- about a June 2003 conversation she had with Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby -- after her testimony before the grand jury last week, the sources said on Friday. She turned the notes over to federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and is expected to meet him again next Tuesday, the sources said.

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See, if hew leaked it before Wilson's article, then he couldn't have leaked it to punish Wilson. Get it?

This pretty much seals it. The fucker is getting indicted for sure. They're preparing a trial defense now on the issue of intent.