BBV - It is Tin Hat Time ----- Will Groperinator have at the top

[Noordam]

of his to do list replacing all punch card machines with touchscreens without paper trail

LA County went for No on recall and they are (from the reports I have read) mainly punch cards or non Touchscreen.

It will be telling that things are at the top of his must change list. :tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:

IMHO: for Whistle-ass to "win" California, every major county must be off anything with a paper trail.

[arcane1]

1. I've been in contact with MY county's election officials

and they are well aware of BBV and the dangers, and are following it closely

so they say, anyway.

[DEMActivist]

2. Weren't you paying attention?

California will be completely electronic by the 2004 election. That has been a KNOWN goal for many, many months.

In fact, the ACLU sued to stop the recall until it was.

[Qutzupalotl]

3. But the judge in the ACLU case was aware

that the lack of an auditable paper trail was an even worse development than intracounty disparity.

It's possible to have touchscreens with electronic tallies that still print a paper trail. Diebold doesn't want to spend the time or money, though.

[DEMActivist]

8. It's not up to DIEBOLD

or any of the other vendors.

It's up to state elections officials to request a voter verified paper ballot.

It's up to your representatives to demand a voter verified paper ballot.

It's up to YOU to demand a voter verified paper ballot.

[BevHarris]

9. Add to that:

It's up to lawyers to file PUBLIC cases to go for injunctions (not lawsuits for private gain that get sealed). I'm working this angle in the press, and it's starting to get a toehold. I'm doing my fourth interview where we call the lawyers out publicly for their moneygrubbing weeniness.

I am hearing an absolute parade of reports from people that tell me this issue is getting into the American psyche.

List of things to do more effectively before the primary:

We need to get hold of the election plans filed by the counties, in which they list the version they'll be using and the election procedures they'll follow.

Then, on the BBVreport.org site, which is a forum for election discussions and reports of voting experiences, we can organize it in a way that educates people what they should look for. Like this:

Before the election: Find out when the "L&A" tests are being held and attend (we got a dynamite report from Riverside County on this; a citizen showed up and observed that they required sign-off on the report before finishing the test, and part of the test was done without allowing any observers)

- observe the wires coming out of the voting machine.
- (David Allen has the specs on this) Drive around and spend a while monitoring for any wireless transmissions near the polling place and the county office
- Be on the lookout for situations where people who are registered are told they can't be found on the list
- Ask questions.
- Check to see if there is a card sitting in the modem slot
- observe cell phone and laptop usage in the vicinity of the polling place
- As soon as possible, obtain the number of voters who checked into the polling place. In California, this is indeed supposed to be printed and posted.
- Take down that number when the polls close, and compare it with the number officially reported (allow for absentees)
- Obtain the numbers from the polling place "summary report"
- Ask to be an observer and watch when/how they run the polling place reports, and where they put them.
- have friends volunteer to be pollworkers and send them in to check that the election plan procedures are followed.


This kind of thing will help us identify vote fraud faster.

[Noordam]

4. While that is true my question was WILL GROPINATOR

put it on the top of his to do list.

And get the hands into the selection of machines.

[Qutzupalotl]

5. I have been thinking the same thing.

Bush's "distancing" comments about the recall seemed out of character. Here's an eighth of the population...think they weren't scheming to control it?

We'll know if California goes Republican in 2004. We'll know. But then it will be too late.

[notadmblnd]

6. Oh yea

I'm sure it will, and in 2004 they can have 200% voter turnout.
now what I'm wondering is just how many registered voters California has?

California
Recall Election

Question Recall Governor Davis

1010 of 1010 total units reporting
No
7,118,872

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X Yes
8,830,796

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Governor

1010 of 1010 total units reporting
Cruz M.
Bustamante
Dem 4,864,926

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Tom
McClintock
GOP 2,052,984

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X Arnold
Schwarzenegger
GOP 7,486,862

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Peter Miguel
Camejo
Grn 425,912
Full election coverage by the Associated Press
http://www.washtimes.com/

[BevHarris]

7. Yes, a goal. This is why Holt, Kucinich, Clark, Dean, Kaptur, Rangel

are so important. The gloves are coming off, though only one finger at a time, it seems.

One thing I'm suggesting to Reps. Holt and Kucinich is putting through a quick and clean bill to allow voters to have a paper ballot (NOT a provisional ballot) if they request it.

Of course, that doesn't solve many of the other thorny problems. The scope of the problem is only partly the unauditable machines -- it is also:

- buyoffs of politicians through corporate contributions(we need publicly financed elections)
- biased redistricting
- "forgetful" and inaccurate voter registration
- inadequately audited voting
- retaliation after election (in the form of recalls, biased investigations, and bogus impeachment attempts)

It's a whole pattern of misbehavior by people who have no respect for the rules under which our founding fathers created this democracy.

This is why I am calling on you (and THANK YOU for all of you who responded today!) to volunteer whatever talents you have in activism. E-mail me at [e-mail] to volunteer -- just let me know what you like to do and what inspires you.

I especially need a couple wonderful, quick researchers.

We can beat this thing. It needs every talent you can bring.

Bev

[The Zanti Regent]

10. Bev--Other California Dirty Tricks

2/3-3/4 of the polls in Los Angeles County were closed, especially in the black and Latino areas of the county.

A lot of hanky panky went down--ballot shortages, incorrect master cards, trays jammed...

Many polls denied handicapped people access

Polls in the University of SOuthern California area charged people $7 to park and vote

People standing in line past 8 were told to go home.

The LA County Bored of Stupidvisors did everything they could to elect Arnold and they should be indicted for voter fraud

As for Arnold, he should be impeached and indicted along with Millken, Riordan and Ken Lay for conspiring to overthrow the government!

IMPEACH ARNOLD

[Noordam]

12. is anybody covering all the problems LA and other county

had or are they just looking the other way.

[punpirate]

11. All you need to do...

... is give me a research task, and I'll get on it. Unfortunately, I don't have access to Lexis/Nexis (just can't afford it).

Cheers.