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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:40 AM
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Boycott all potentially Fixed Elections
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 10:53 AM by ck4829
We should have had a boycott in Florida in 2000 and we should have had a boycott in Ohio 2004.

An Election Boycott challenges the Legitimacy of an Elected Official or Law EVEN if they were to win with 100% of the vote because of the boycott.

It is also a very strong form of Protest.

IMPORTANT!!! - Now, I'm not saying to boycott all Elections.

Here's what we should do.

1. If you seriously think you can win, then DON'T Boycott. If polls and everything looks good, then you are good to go. But, when a person has an abnormal win like they have done in the 2000, 2002, and 2004 Elections, you might just think that a boycott might have been a good idea.

2. Boycott a place that has Voting Machines that are connected to an Ideology or Republicans. (ES&S, Diebold, etc.)

3. Boycott crooked officials and people who have the power to Fix elections. (Blackwell was the Secretary of State in Ohio and he was in the group that was dedicated to helping Bush win. An Election Boycott should also be held for Katherine Harris because she did the same thing in Florida during the 2000 Election.)

PS - I AM A RESIDENT OF OHIO! I have seen the unusual events for myself. Districts getting 1000's of more votes than they had people. All the ideas I have heard about how to deal with Diebold and biased election officials are good, this is just another idea.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:43 AM
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1. ??????????
So what you're saying is don't even try? Interesting concept.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:44 AM
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2. Some people are saying we can't even win...
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 10:44 AM by ck4829
Because of Diebold, and I think a Boycott is the way to respond to things like that.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:47 AM
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7. Weird.
So you are saying that since they cheat, we should just let them win legitimately so they no longer have to cheat? I am not sure what that accomplishes. At least if they cheat we might catch them. If we don't vote they win fair and square.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:45 AM
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3. I think that's the biggest bullshit idea I've ever heard on the whole
election machines nonsense.

Fuck that noise, I'll never boycott an election and anybody who says I should is out of their fucking mind!
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:03 AM
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13. What he said!!!!!!!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:45 AM
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4. Better plan: sign up to be election judge or work with vote counting
be part of the solution, instead of falling for what neocons so obviously want you to do!

Get on the inside, maybe you will happen upon eivdence! Hiding out will not fix the problem.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:46 AM
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5. What, exactly, do you mean?
Boycott all Potentially Fixed Elections? Just not vote at all?

Don't even go anywhere that has voting machines?

Charles Boycott & his family were isolated because he raised rents & evicted tenants from the estate he was managing. No food, etc. "Boycotting" Katherine Harris won't work unless we can convince her servants to quit & make all the retailers who serve her stop doing so.
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BloodyWilliam Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:46 AM
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6. No offense, but...
That's a terrible idea. That's like refusing to drink water because you don't like PepsiCo.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:47 AM
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8. So we should stay home and give them a REAL victory?
I fail to see how this idea helps us.:wtf:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:48 AM
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9. Why teach apathy?
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:50 AM
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10. What the hell?
Lesse, in order to fix potential corruption in elections, don't vote at all until the problems are fixed?

Why then would there be any incentive at all to fix elections if people who boycott them don't vote at all?

Yeah, let's have Ohio voters and Florida voters "boycott" those elections and make sure Blackwell and Harris win by an almost unanimous vote.

Makes sense to me.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:55 AM
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11. Why not wait in line for the obligatory two or three hours it requires
to vote these days. And when you finally get to the computer pull a hammer out of your pocket and destroy the machine. If everybody does that, all the machines will have been destroyed.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:57 AM
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12. Guarantee they'll win without having to cheat?
No thanks.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:06 AM
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14. Isn't one definition of stupidity "continuing to repeat the same action
and expecting a different result" or something like that?

Voting on rigged machines seems to fit that definition.

Change will not come within the current political system as it is set up. Vote tallies will continue to be skewed puke-wise until the system is challenged and destroyed.

Why do people think that Dems can win within such a system?

A simple boycott would have to be fine-tuned. Just staying away will not do it. Go to the polls. Stand in line. Take as much time as you can in the booth. And then leave without voting. Unless we totally fuck up the works, the pre-programmed results will come out the other end, just like in 2000, 2002, and 2004.
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