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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:23 AM
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Dutch FM says with hindsight invasion of Iraq was 'maybe not wise'
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/10/05/afx2262290.html

THE HAGUE (AFX) - Dutch Foreign Minister Ben Bot said that with hindsight, the US-led invasion of Iraq that was supported by the Dutch government although it did not contribute troops, was 'maybe not wise'.

It was the first time that the Dutch government has distanced itself from the invasion.

After questions in a meeting in parliament about whether or not the invasion of Iraq was wise, Bot replied: 'Now looking back the answer could be that maybe it was not wise'.

According to Bot it 'would have been wiser' to continue on the path of diplomacy longer and to investigate the possible presence of weapons of mass destruction more thoroughly.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:27 AM
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1. Ya think?
Drip, drip, drip ... is that the sound of bush's legacy washing away? Or the sound of his true legacy about to go ape-shizzit on his ass?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:27 AM
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2. Do the words
"fucking fiasco" mean anything?
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:31 AM
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3. Hindsight?
It was obvious from the beginning (Bush)Bot. :mad:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:32 AM
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4. I know of a ton of Congressmen who ought to say "maybe not wise"
I also know of a Chimp who ought to say "maybe not wise" in hindsight, although he doesn't have any hindsight, any foresight, or any insight.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:44 AM
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5. Gosh, is that a little bit of an understatement?
Is understatement a Dutch thing, or is this guy just a weasel?
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:48 AM
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6. HINDSIGHT?? You have got to be kidding....
Remember the world wide protests??
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:06 AM
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7. The Dutch are so polite.
Maybe Not Wise = Stupidest Fucking Idea Ever.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:23 AM
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8. LMFAO. nt
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:48 AM
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9. Iraq Today - "No More Illusions"
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9558294/site/newsweek/


No More Illusions
Americans used to dream of building a strong, unified, pluralistic Iraq. Now the possibilities are a very loose federation, or violent disintegration.


By Scott Johnson, Babak Dehghanpisheh and Michael Hastings
Newsweek
Oct. 10, 2005 issue - For more than a decade, Abu Sajad's small convenience store was a fixture in Doura, an industrial neighborhood in south Baghdad. Customers came for friendly service and the ease of buying rice, tea or cigarettes a few blocks from home. Abu Sajad, a 44-year-old with salt-and-pepper hair, would even let regulars—Sunnis, Shiites or Christians—run up a tab. But not long ago, Abu Sajad was found in a pool of his own blood. Sunni insurgents had shot him 11 times with an AK-47. Shortly afterward, his widow and four children left for Karbala, a Shiite town in the south. His brother, Abu Naseer, decided to move to Al Kurayat, a predominantly Shiite neighborhood in eastern Baghdad. The Doura shop was closed, another debris-strewn relic of an Iraq that may no longer exist. "I have no reason or explanation why he was killed except that he was Shiite," says his brother.


Across the country many Iraqis have begun to fear the worst: that their society is breaking apart from within. "The vast majority of the population is resisting calls to take up arms against other ethnic and religious groups," said a senior Bush administration official whose portfolio includes Iraq but who is not authorized to speak on the record. Yet he also said there "is a settling of accounts and a splitting apart of communities that did business together." Sunni insurgents, trying to prevent political dominance by the Shiite majority, are killing them in great numbers. Shiite militia and death squads are resisting. Now many ordinary citizens who are caught in the middle aren't waiting to become victims. They're moving to safer areas, creating trickles of internal refugees. "There is an undeclared civil war," Hussein Ali Kamal, head of intelligence at the Ministry of Interior, told NEWSWEEK.

The outcome of these conflicts—and Iraq's future as a unified state—may well be riding on a critical nationwide vote planned for next week. Iraqis will decide, in a U.S.-orchestrated referendum on Oct. 15, whether to accept a permanent constitution drafted by the transitional National Assembly. Yet many worry that even if the constitution passes as Washington hopes, it will only worsen the disintegration underway. Key provisions allow for separate regions to control water and new oil wells, dictate tax policy and oversee "internal security forces"—to become autonomous, in effect. A confidential United Nations report, dated Sept. 15 and obtained by NEWSWEEK, cautions that the new constitution is a "model for the territorial division of the State." And in congressional testimony last week, Gen. George Casey, commander of Coalition forces in Iraq, said the U.S. occupation may have to continue longer be—cause the draft constitution "didn't come out as the national compact that we thought it was going to be."

Others say Iraq can exist, even thrive, under such a loose federalist system. What is not in dispute is that at the most basic level—of neighborhoods and communities—the tissue of Iraqi society is already rupturing. It's not just Shia who are displacing themselves to be among their own kind, though they are the main victims of the Sunni-led insurgents. Many Sunnis, terrified of death squads and Shia-dominated police who look the other way, are fleeing Shia areas even if they don't support the insurgency. Dozens of Sunni families left Basra in the past year, fearing attacks from Shiite militias that dominate that southern city. "For a Sunni family like mine that was swimming in a lagoon of Shiites, it was almost impossible to continue living in Basra," said one refugee, Abu Mishal. Mahmoud Othman, a Kurdish member of the National Assembly, concurs: "We never had this even under Saddam... This is very dangerous."

For many Iraqis, the only sense of security they can find after two and a half years of chaos is in the bosom of their sect or tribe. One central government after another in Baghdad has failed to establish order. After two years of training, the new Iraqi Army has but one fully independent battalion—about 500 men—centcom Commander Gen. John Abizaid told Congress last week. So, not surprisingly, militias and warlords have begun to take over and tend to their own.


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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:07 AM
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10. I'll give him this: he has an absolutely STUNNING command of the obvious
:eyes:
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Liberal Librarian Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:12 AM
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11. What About Our Opinions?
Whenever I see yet another dignitary jump on board, it sets me to fuming. Many of us were brave enough to defy this war from day one in the face of insults including the traitor epithet. Where were these notable leaders in the first place?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:16 AM
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12. Ya mean BUSH KICKING THE UN INSPECTORS out of Iraq
when they only needed another90 days to finish their work and thus saving the lives of tens of thousands was "MAYBE NOT WISE"?

NOOOOOOO.
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d-artignan Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:21 AM
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13. White wash. They did participate and active encouraged the Iraq War
As a Dutch I'm disgusted but yet another attempt at white washing their own responsibility.

> although it did not contribute troops

They send 1,200 troops to Iraq despite massive protests.

Also there is the 'little' matter of Royal Dutch Shell whose principal shareholder is Queen Beatrix who benefitted immensely from the Iraq War and who had been in frequent contact with George Bush. Popular belief has it that royalty is symbolic, but with her massive amounts of shares in companies like Shell, Exxon, ABN Amro, Rothschild etc. her economic power is immense and it is therefore no surprise that George Bush spend most time of his visits talking to her since she has a massive say in the world's oil.

But Balkenende tries to whitewash that he immediately supported George Bush and actively participated in the Iraq war!
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:23 AM
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14. File This Under "Well, Duh!"
Billions of people around the globe thought it was a bad idea BEFORE the invasion. Now, he says, "with hindsight." What a dullard.
The Professor
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:28 PM
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15. Dutch PM reprimands foreign minister over Iraq slip
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L06580382.htm

AMSTERDAM, Oct 6 (Reuters) - Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende on Thursday reprimanded his foreign minister, Bernard Bot, for questioning the invasion of Iraq.

The Netherlands backed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, and Balkenende told parliament it was "not government policy to raise questions over Iraq", ANP news agency said.

Bot, a fellow Christian Democrat and former diplomat, was asked in parliament on Wednesday if the invasion had been sensible, and replied: "That is a question you can legitimately ask, looking back, and it's possible the answer will be it wasn't sensible and that using diplomatic means we could have achieved more."

He withdrew his remarks on Thursday.
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