RS: "Word on Capitol Hill is that Rove has received a "target letter," "

[understandinglife]

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Rove_missing_from_events_Word_on_1005.html



Peace.

[Straight Shooter]

1. I guess he can throw away his "I am not a target" button.

Bwahahahaha!

[sniffa]

2. bwahahaha

:rofl:

[NewInNewJ.]

8. Bob Novak

Has anyone seen him on tv since the famous walkout of CNN?

[The Kicker]

20. In that photo,

Rove looks like Wayland Flowers' ventriloquist dummy "Madame". Only bald.

[wryter2000]

58. I don't normally comment on other's physical appearance

Because it's irrelevant and makes me look petty if I do.

But, dayum, Novak is one ugly bastard. And I suspect that a lot of his ugliness comes directly from his personality.

[yellowcanine]

80. And Rove is no Tom Cruise either. Rove and Novak - made for each other.

[zonkra]

71. Caption:

"Hey Bob, remember when you dropped that elephant soap in the shower? I was just getting started..."

[kohodog]

34. Maybe he wants to wear it in prison

Has a slightly different meaning though!

[deadparrot]

3. These days just keep getting better and better.

I have trouble believing we'll be able to keep going at this rate until the election next year.

[fooj]

4. And not a moment too soon!

Peace.

[central scrutinizer]

ribbit ribbit

Cue up the band to play the "Frog March"

[wellstone_democrat]

5. since when has something like that

stopped these bad bold men from doing anything they wanted to do? That he is a "target?" Didn't everyone know that already? I did and I'm in west Texas! Buy a paper boys!

Why not brazen it out with a "ridiculous" indictment! He'll be cleared if indicted! Business as usual! seriously, this doesn't make sense.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

11. It does if they expect him to be convicted

That's the only reason I can think of why they would cut him loose. If they thought they had a chance of blustering their way through this w/o any convictions sticking I'm sure they would be talking their big talk as usual.

[wellstone_democrat]

22. What about another possibility?

This occurred to me when a friend of a friend recently had surgery for kidney stones: they found something else more serious. Another person I know had his gallbladder out and a routine check revealed liver cancer as well. Apparently when various proceedures are done (help me medical people...) other things show up due to tests that might otherwise not be done or from "looking around"

Seriously, perhaps he is still recovering or under treatment for something?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

26. It is possible

But, I've had doubts about even his severity of his kidney stones to be honest. They used that as an excuse for his absence during Katrina when the truth is he was at Camp Casey the Tuesday after Katrina hit giving hugs to the bush* supporters there.

At one point I was wondering if his absence was punishment for him letting bush* down during Katrina by still being focused on Cindy.

Whatever the reason, he has been missing at times when he would usually have been at the side of bush*.

[ClintonTyree]

63. He was out fundraising right after his "kidney stone" problem...

there nothing wrong with Turd-blossom that a few nights at Abu Ghraib wouldn't fix. He'd come out of there "a new man".

[MADem]

44. They'd be milking it for max sympathy if that were the case

Hell, Monkeyboy himself would organize the telethon for the disease in question...ANYTHING to take people's minds off this investigation.

[HereSince1628]

28. Since when do prosecutors warn their targets?

I'm fine with KKKarl being a target, but I had no idea the prosecutors provide a warning so you can get outta Dodge.

[hang a left]

33. I read something here a few days back that all

have to send them target letters.



Don't fucking tell me this is just Rove. I will be so pissed!!!!!!!

[Carni]

85. I just read on another string that the target letters are issued to...

Give the accused yet another opportunity to appear before the Grand Jury -- provide more info, cut a deal (save your ass implicate others etc)

CNN said earlier that Rove's atty is denying he received a target letter but now I think I just heard Paul Begala say Rove DID receive one...I have no idea but I hope that ugly f*** goes down in flames.

[NYC Liberal]

30. Remember before, Rove DID come out and call it ridiculous

But now he isn't saying anything at all? Hmmmm...

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

6. "Dear Karl, do not drop this in prison. Sincerely, B_E_B"

:evilgrin:

[Whoa_Nelly]

12. Dear Karl, Please DO drop this in the prison shower

You deserve it after all the shafting you've done to our nation.

Very Sincerely,
Whoa_Nelly

SLREP Republican Soap

Exercise Your Right To Bathe In This Cola Scented Bar!


http://www.debiscollectibles.com/catpages/productSLREP.html

[catmandu57]

61. John's got a sausage, yeah man

John's got a sausage in his hand
break your heart
make you fart
don't drop the soap if you're smart.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

91. Another Zappa fan

Karl makes quite a big target. But I don't think this will be the first time he's been penetrated.

:rofl:

[liberal N proud]

16. That gives me a great idea - Send KKKarl bars of soap on a rope

with messages on them like "You may need this in prison"

[tanyev]

25. I'm going to send him a tshirt.

XXXL, right?

[democrank]

31. I`m humming that song....

"Bend and stretch, reach for the stars."

[TankLV]

92. Boy you are dating yourself there! Isn't that from "Rhomper Room"?

Not that I'M old enough to remember watching it before going off to school every weekday in the early 50's or anything!

[Kablooie]

7. Ah yes. The Roving eye is beginning to blink.

[DS1]

9. Wouldn't it be beautiful if Bush had to fire everyone around him

Liddy, Cheney, et al, and face the courts alone?

[natrat]

10. face the court w/ his personal lawyer as judge

[DS1]

13. it'll never happen

I know he thinks we're idiots, and we think he's an idiot, but there's no fucking chance she'll become the next SC Justice. This is by design. It's all about getting the Dem attack machine biting its teeth into her, so the next nominee can be painted as a partisan battle that's stopping justice getting done.

Simple, really.

[MADem]

47. The Dems aren't the ones going nuts, it's the conservative GOP that is

busting a gut. Brownback is apoplectic, Lott says he won't bow down and scrape, and that there are others FAR MORE QUALIFIED. The Dems are simply saying they want some serious questions asked. The GOP will get their nomination if they only stick together, but they aren't doing that.

Who knows, maybe Monkey will slide Gonzalez in, and give the AG job to his gal Harry...

[murray hill farm]

66. or even better...

if this leads directly to bushy, himself.

[Shine]

14. Yowsah! n/t

[hiley]

15. finally.....

:nuke:

[BootinUp]

17. Why is it they always make it to the second term

before the shit finally hits the fan. I shouldn't be complainin though. ;)

[Fovea]

18. goodnight KKKarl

and welcome to the ash heap of history.

[RC]

19. Do we dare hope?

Do you think he could still run the show with one phone call a month?

[BamaBecky]

21. kick

[Scout1071]

23. Sweet Jeebus. Game on.

Time to see them all fall. Scooter is right. They are connected at the roots.

[hiley]

24. Espionage Case Breaches the White House

Espionage Case Breaches the White House
Accused Marine Worked in Vice President's Office
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1187030&page=1
edit to say abc story is dated oct. 5
but another du'er pointed out article that was dated back in sept.
hmmm, trying to distract us huh?
http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/hl/hl102815.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1829810&mesg_id=1829810

[lateo]

27. Well, at least it wasn't a love letter from Frank.

[democrank]

29. By tomorrow morning

Andy Card will be on the Today Show saying it was actually a letter from Target......the store chain.

[savemefromdumbya]

32. LOL! nt

nt

[ClintonTyree]

67. And Ken Mehlman will be filibustering every talk show....

by the time he's done spinning the Cons will disavow KNOWING anyone named, "Karl Rove". He was a bit player, in the deep background, a numbers kind of guy who was seldom heard from. You know? ;)

[DemReadingDU]

35. Larry Franklin gave Israel secret material

posted by robertpaulsen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4982454

****************
another big story

[hootinholler]

36. I got a target letter too...

But it was just a sale announcement :P

-Hoot

[applegrove]

37. Disappeared from the scene in mid September when he was diagnosed

with kidney stones? What? I thought they said he had kidney stones the week Katrina hit? That was last week of August.

What's up with that?

[PinkyisBlue]

46. Kidney Stone

It was one big stone, and he's still waiting for it to pass.

Kidney stones are supposed to be extremely painful, and I pray that he has many large ones that are difficult to pass and are inoperable.

[Roland99]

52. Didn't he do that fundraiser in North Dakota after that, though?

When he was supposed to be in charge of the Katrina reconstruction?

[ClintonTyree]

68. Right, that was right after Katrina...

and after his kidney stone episode. Hey, I've had kidney stones before. BIG ones, 9mm in size. And I DO wish them on KKKarl, lots of them. It's damned near impossible to pass one that size but I wish he would. The only thing that could be better is if I was there to watch! :)

[chelsea0011]

38. All this partisan politics. Can't a Republican get a break?

Worst President ever, and most corrupt ever. Sickening.

[dennis00]

41. ashbin of history

Spiro who?:boring:

[chelsea0011]

42. After watching these guys, I'm beginning to think Nixon's crowd

was getting picked on for minor crimes. NAHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[Lasher]

54. And most secretive administration ever

And worst warmongers ever!

[DesertRat]

39. what will Bush do without his "brain"? n/t

[OldLeftieLawyer]

40. "Target letter"?

That's a new one on me.

Never heard of such a thing. It makes no sense, you know. I think maybe someone's pulling someone's leg.

[H2O Man]

43. Maybe

someone is trying to.

[MADem]

48. No, it is not new, really

You are either a subject (related to the investigation) or a target (we think you are the guilty bastard). In any case, you need to "lawyer up" so they let you know. All very civilized....

[OldLeftieLawyer]

69. In all my years of practice,

I've never heard of this.

Live and learn. This is what I get for staying away from Federal grand juries.

But, if Rove got a letter now, at the end of the grand jury's term and the investigation, that's really begging the point. Who hasn't retained counsel? It's Washington - where everyone knows to get a lawyer, if they haven't already.

I'm not buying it, not in this situation, not at this point in the investigation.

[MADem]

70. See here; it is very common practice

http://www.lawyers.com/lawyers/A~1001633~LDS/FAQ+CRIME+FEDERAL.html#one

Q: What is a federal grand jury “target letter”? Why and when would a target of the federal grand jury receive one? Does this mean that a person who receives such a letter is likely to get indicted?

A: Federal grand juries conduct investigations into possible violations of federal criminal law. They have the power to subpoena witnesses to appear before them to testify and produce information.

The Department of Justice has special policies when the subpoenaed person is either a “target” or a “subject” of the grand jury investigation. A “target” is someone the prosecutor or grand jury has substantial evidence to link to a crime, and who, in the judgment of the prosecutor, is likely to be indicted. A “subject” of a grand jury investigation is someone whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury’s investigation.

Due to the potential for unfairness and misunderstanding in making a person who is likely to be indicted testify or produce documents before a grand jury, prosecutors must first attempt to get the target to voluntarily appear. If that doesn’t work, the prosecutor must get the approval of the grand jury and the United States Attorney or the responsible Assistant Attorney General in order to issue a subpoena.

In deciding whether to subpoena a target, prosecutors will consider the importance of the testimony or information sought...If the target of a grand jury investigation is subpoenaed, it’s the policy of the Department of Justice to advise the witness of his or her rights, either by attaching an “advice of rights” form to the subpoena or in a letter than accompanies the subpoena. In the case of a witness who’s the target or subject of the investigation, the following advice is provided: “The grand jury is conducting an investigation of possible violations of Federal criminal laws involving: . You may refuse to answer any question if a truthful answer to the question would tend to incriminate you. Anything that you do say may be used against you by the grand jury or in a subsequent legal proceeding. If you have retained counsel, the grand jury will permit you a reasonable opportunity to step outside the grand jury room to consult with counsel if you so desire.”...

More at link.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

76. I asked my partner,

who handles criminal cases, and he knew all about target letters.

I never cottoned to criminal law. Civil, for me, was much more interesting. A whole different set of problems, and not all that many criminals.

Thanks for the time you took to post this, though. Much appreciated.

[Javaman]

45. Can't wait to see how they spin this one...LOL

[Cugel the Clever]

49. Harry Miers makes sense now

Bush is trying to stack the court for the day when he himself, after the fall of his minions, must face criminal charges. Meirs could be the swing vote that keeps him out of jail.

What a sad state our nation is in.

[aquart]

57. Only the Chief Justice presided over Clinton's impeachment.

And he didn't get to vote on it.

A stacked Court might be useful when the Congress asked for evidence, however.

[bostonbabs]

78. I have thought the same thing.....how do you

think Mr.Brillant Legal Mind Roberts feels.?....they could elevate such a hack to the Supreme Court....so what does that make him?....Maybe he will think for himself more and not be the "tool" of the administration.....the assisted suicide Oregon case yesterday shows problems with him already

[lonestarnot]

50. Hehehehehehehe! Maybe on red Friday!

[alfredo]

51. bush made a "major speech" today, something's up

He never appears before the public unless he has to.

[gardenista]

53. Thing is, that wasn't a "public" appearance. It was a canned, controlled

situation.

He doesn't get *near* real people.

[alfredo]

59. Public= in front of cameras. We are aware that nothing is real

around bush.

[savemefromdumbya]

65. "trouble at mill"

the terror thing is on the boil are we going to get another dose of synthetic terrorism here?

[dogday]

55. Thought I would drag this photo back up

[Just Me]

56. AN - TI - CI - PA - TION,....

,...an-ti-ci-payay-tion is making me wait,...

:+

[reality based]

60. Can a Preidential pardon be far behind? n/t

[ClintonTyree]

62. Turd-blossom has known he's been a "target" for quite some time..

this indeed would seem an indication that he's going to be indicted and to "get his things in order" before they actually hand him the indictment. Why do they coddle these pricks and give them ample time to prepare is beyond me. Do ordinary citizens get this sort of treatment? Hell no! They're dragged from their homes in the middle of the night, given their one damned phone call, printed, photographed and locked up. Turd-blossom deserves nothing more or less than anyone else should expect but his doughy, pompous, evil ass is being coddled like he's "special". He's a common criminal, no, WORSE. He's a traitor to his country and doesn't deserve even the slightest courtesy. I say, go Abu Ghraib on his ass! :grr:

[Just Me]

64. Yes. It would be far more satisfying to see handcuffs slapped on,...

,...that bastard!!!

I'd also like to see DeLay get fingerprinted and mugshots.

I mean, seriously, these guys DESERVE to be publicly humiliated.

[understandinglife]

72. TalkLeft: "and as a courtesy, they can bring their clients in rather ...

... than face the humiliation of an arrest at home or work."

From Thursday :: October 06, 2005
Target Letters: Terminology

I'm beginning to see some people, including at least one news service, misapply the term "target letter." Just so it's clear, a "target letter" is what the prosecutor provides to a witness who has been subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury. It is an advisement of rights, particularly the right to counsel and the right to not testify.

Once the investigation is complete and the grand jury has heard all the evidence and is about to return Indictments, target letters are no longer used.

More at link, including a draft copy of a 'sample DoJ Target Letter':

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/012634.html

Tick, tock; tick, tock ....

good ol'georgie boy was lying up a storm this morning, wasn't he ... good to see that we can all rely on him to lie, all the time, as it would be truly disruptive for him to speak the truth ....


Peace.

[Pluvious]

73. Will he be deemed a Flight Risk and..

... no long allowed to leave the country ?

______________
"I want to know the truth. Leaks of classified information are bad things."
-George W. Bush (February of 2004)

[understandinglife]

74. Lawrence O'Donnell -- Plamegate: The Next Step

Plamegate: The Next Step

October 6, 2005

If Karl Rove's lawyer, Bob Luskin, is still as easy to read as he has been since I broke the story that his client was Matt Cooper's source, then we now know that Rove has received a target letter from Patrick Fitzgerald. How do we know it? Luskin refuses to deny it.

Fitzgerald does not have to send Rove or anyone else a target letter before indicting him. The only reason to send target letters now is that Fitzgerald believes one or more of his targets will flip and become a prosecution witness at the pre-indictment stage. A veteran prosecutor told me, "If Fitzgerald is sending target letters at the end of his investigation, those are just invitations to come in and work out a deal."

More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/plamegate-the-next-step_b_8447.html

Some excellent links in O'Donnell's blog.


Peace.

[Mr_Scarecrow]

84. Interesting

If Fitz is trying to work a deal with Karl, what does Fitz hope to gain? Could he be gunning for POTUS?

[Silvermint]

75. Updated Link

If you follow the link, there's now an update at the top of the article:

"Update: Rove's lawyer will no longer deny client a target"

[paineinthearse]

77. Others, noticing seeming Administration slip-ups -- the response to Katrin

Spot on......and the whole house of "Cards" (pardon the Massachusetts pun) will tumble down.

[npincus]

79. RawStory issued this correction:

Correction: Rove did not receive a "target letter" as suggested in the original edition of this article; he received a letter calling him in for additional testimony


One can still hope.

[RB TexLa]

81. About Time

[savemefromdumbya]

82. seems that he has to testify AGAIN!

my oh my!

[zonkra]

83. Isn't the legal technical term

an "Invitation to Unperjure Yourself" letter? Or is it a "Last Chance to Keep Us From Sending You the Target Letter" letter? I hear those are only for those on the promenada deck of the Titanic, not for those in steerage. They get a "Have a Nice Day In Prison" letter.

[Arkansas Granny]

86. The excretious material is about to make contact with the

whirling mechanism.

(The sh** will hit the fan.)

[Hardknock]

87. HAPPY DAYS ARE UPON US!!!!!!!!!

I CAN FEEL IT!!!

THANK YOU LORD!!!

[understandinglife]

88. Salon: ""Stunning," a former federal prosecutor tells us. "There is no ...

.... reason for Rove to make this appearance unless he and his counsel believe he is at serious risk of indictment. None."

It's always risky to go before a grand jury. You can't take your lawyer into the room with you, and you don't know what the grand jury knows or doesn't know. It's especially risky if you've already testified once -- or, in the case of Rove, three times -- before: The odds of introducing inconsistencies into your testimony increase each time you give it. That's why, the former prosecutor tells us, a defense lawyer would advise his client to make a return appearance before the grand jury "only in extremis."

New York University law professor Stephen Gillers offers a similar assessment to the Associated Press. He calls Rove's return trip to the grand jury room an "ominous sign" that suggests Fitzgerald "has learned new information that is tightening the noose" around Rove's neck. "It shows Fitzgerald now, perhaps after Miller's testimony, suspects Rove may be in some way implicated in the revelation of Plame's identity or that Fitzgerald is investigating various people for obstruction of justice, false statements or perjury. That is the menu of risk for Rove."

<clip>

From Rove's return to the grand jury: A "stunning" and "ominous" sign By Tim Grieve on October 6, 2005

Link:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005/10/06/rove3/index.html

You'll need to watch a silly ad to read the full report unless you subscribe to Salon


Peace.

[worldgonekrazy]

89. Don'tcha get the feeling this is gonna be BIG

Rove would not go back to testify in front of that grand jury if it wasn't. This is what, at least four times in front of the grand jury for him now? And every time he goes back it just provides more and more to build a perjury case on.

[understandinglife]

90. I've thought it was going to be major since Judge Tatel issued his ...

... opinion in Feb 2005.

These are issues of National Security and folk like Fitzgerald, the Judges who've ruled and the Grand Jury take that type of stuff seriously.

Thank you for your comments.


Peace.

[Mike_The_Computer]

94. It's a HUGE deal. Rove's groveling, and selling someone out.

Before very much longer, the hinges are going to be blown off this thing and we'll then see just how big this is. I'm all for lowered expectations as a way of meeting disappoitment halfway, but this situation is a big, big deal - all the signs are there.

[journalist3072]

93. And what about Scotter Libby?

I wonder has he received a target letter?

[bluestateguy]

95. Oh God, this teasing is killing me

If he does not get indicted (or at least Libby as a consolation prize), then I'm going to feel like Charlie Brown having the football pulled away by Lucy.