Source to Stephanopoulos-President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal

[TacticalPeek]

Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal

Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb:

Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.

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http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/02/bush-directly-involved



Bwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[halobeam]

1. O.M.G.

Just tell me it is so.

[cally]

2. I hope this is true

Stephenapolous is usually pretty cautious so it might be true. Nominated.

[FreedomAngel82]

107. Especially with who controls the media

He has to becareful or he could be Dan Rathered. I'm sure he wouldn't say this unless it was really huge. I hope it's true! We could see Bush and Cheney off to jail after all!!!

[calimary]

175. If this is true, then it would make sense just how close-to-the-vest Fitz

has played this. I mean, look at the track record. No leaks. NONE. They've kept all of this so tightly under wraps that nobody knows much of anything. If they really are working on a bombshell of this size, it would make sense that you wouldn't hear a peep out of anybody. They wouldn't want to tip their hands lest anyone under suspicion suddenly start fraternizing with the office shredder or some such thing...

Because you KNOW the bushies and their penchant for revenge and keeping score and holding grudges and exacting payback. Fitz knows he'd have the GOP hounds on him and everyone around him if anybody got wind of this.

MOST intriguing!

[enid602]

188. Fitz

If what you say is true, then Fitz might want to tell someone on the left, just in case he has an 'accident.'

[Cha]

3. We knew they are but

whether the miracle of proving it comes out..ah, that's the question?

[usregimechange]

75. Thus is the reason for the mediablaster:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster

[AuntiBush]

219. It Sure Is the Question

We've all been awaiting. Got fingers crossed behind back on this one. Hopeful, but dismay has become a part of life w/*.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

4. Oh. My. Goodness.

You don't build a house of cards in hurricane season.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

93. Sure you do. Hire haliburton to build and overcharge for it.

and then, give them a no-bid contract after the storm because of their experience.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

181. Oh yeah. I forgot.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

217. I try to forget that, too. Hurts too much.

I have a guy who does my 401K. He asked if I wanted in on haliburton. I told him if he even dared to suggest it, i would be closing my account.

[Pirate Smile]

5. Here is the full text on Think Progress:

Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal

Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC's This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb:

Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it's a manageable one for the White House especially if we don't know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.

This would explain why Bush spent more than an hour answering questions from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. It would also fundamentally change the dynamics of the scandal. President Bush could no longer claim he was merely a bystander who wants to "get to the bottom of it." As Stephanopoulos notes, if Bush played a direct role it could make this scandal completely unmanageable.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Hi PS ! That paragraph is the most poorly written I've ever seen...

Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it's a manageable one for the White House especially if we don't know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.


How did you guys decipher it so quickly? It mixed subjects and tenses and questions with statements.

[displacedtexan]

26. That was posted one minute after George S. said the words.

No time for editing.

[Pirate Smile]

45. You can tell he said it and didn't read it from a card or TelePrompter.

People frequently phrase things badly while just talking. That is what it looks like to me.

[hvn_nbr_2]

101. "People frequently phrase things badly while just talking." Yes

This was obviously not written and prepared and read. When I read transcripts of extemporaneous talking from talking heads, I'm often amazed that anyone could understand what they were talking about. Written transcripts don't give the kind of visual and auditory cues that speech gives to show when they're changing streams of consciousness in the middle of the sentence.

Just as an aside, Al Franken absolutely drives me nuts when he changes thoughts three times before the end of a sentence and never finishes any of the thoughts, so he's been going on for about 200 words and I have no idea what he intended to say about any of the four or five subjects in, well, it's not a sentence, maybe a burst of phrases and clauses all of which appeared to be heading toward becoming a sentence but never did.

[FreedomAngel82]

109. Wow

This also explains why Bush didn't do anything about Karl Rove. If he did do anything about Rove I'm sure Rove would've told he was involved too. I've always felt that if one of them fell they all would because they're all involved and it always goes back to the same person. Remember on that flight with Colin Powell to Africa wasn't Bush on that flight? Or was he on a different plane? My feeling hopefully was right and that Fitzgerald was going after Bush. He could've had the general idea it was him back in 2003 but needed more time to prove it. I don't think he would've kept going on unless he knew someone else was also involved. He could've gotten Karl Rove back in 2003 couldn't he?

[TankLV]

156. Unless these repuke criminals have any evidence ELIMINATED!

whether they be animal or mineral.

I would not put it past these evil bastards.

[FreedomAngel82]

184. That's what I worry about this too

Does Fitzgerald have everything to prove to the judges or is this a warning to Bush and Cheney so they can get rid of anything?

[Seen the light]

6. The final countdown

Anybody know that song? That's immediately what started making laps around my head when I heard this.

[Jeanette in FL]

14. The song that keeps going through my head

"When the wall coming tumbling down" by John Cougar Melloncamp

[Fla Dem]

79. Roy Orbison....America doesn't want you anymore...It's Over, It's Over,

It's OOOOver!!!

[CoffeeCat]

44. Yes, I hear the synthesizers now!

The prelude is definitely cued up.

I remember that song.

How about new words to "Tomorrow" from "Annie"?

The indictments'll come tomorrow
bet your laundered dollar that tomorrow
they'll be some...
just thinking about the shackles
clears away the cobwebs and the sorrow
'till there's none!

When I'm stuck with a day that's fascist and gray
I just think of orange jumpsuits and I say....ohhhhh...

The indictments'll come out tomorrow
so you gotta hang until tomorrow
come what maaaaay
Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love Fitzy tomorrow!
you're only a day away!

[The Witch]

163. great parody!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Radio_Lady]

231. TwoSparkles, I LOVE your lyrics! Laughing out loud at something

that isn't very funny.

Regards to "Annie" the musical -- and your superb ability to write this parody.

[dweller]

7. and how did Will

pontificate in response?

dp

[peacetalksforall]

13. Yes... please tell us Will's response.

[cally]

81. Will said federal prosecutor does not need to write a report

We will know by end of October if there are indictments. In other words, he avoided the question.

[dooner]

129. I heard that differently

I heard Will say "procecutors don't write reports" as in, the prosecutor is in this to try to indict, not to write reports.

[Dudley_DUright]

8. Can you say "unidicted co-conspirators"?

Sure, I knew you could. :evilgrin:

[CoffeeCat]

9. That's remarkable...

Stephanopolis must be fairly certain of what he is saying.

I can't imagine that he would put his reputation on the line--and say something that will later be debunked.

The question is, as Stephanopolis said, "if he is able to show...that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussion."

How could someone possibly "show" that Bush participated in the conversation? Everyone will protect them. They aren't going to admit it themselves. It will take someone willing to roll over on them.

So many questions. I really hope we find the answers soon.

[wryter2000]

12. Oval office tapes?

Way too much deja vu. "There's a signpost up ahead..."

Didn't someone say something about * standing in a certain corner of the room, behind a plant or something? Help my poor, old brain, but it seems to me someone said something about being sure the conversation was being taped.

[CoffeeCat]

23. Ok, maybe I just fell off of the turnip truck...

...but all conversations in the WH are taped?

I knew they were taped during the Nixon Administration (obviously). HOwever, I didn't realize the taping still went on.

Is this a mandatory thing?

I can't imagine that these thugs would allow their crimes to be recorded.

Did Fitz request WH tapes?

I haven't heard anything about bush standing behind a plant. We've always known that he has the brain of a potted ficus--but I never knew him to hide behind one. Learn something new every day!

I want this all to come out. I just hope I'm not disappointed.

Can you imagine the spin machine on steroids that will be released after Fitz talks? Rush Limbaugh will probably blow a gasket, playing offense on this one. Anything that brings that blowhard closer to having a coronary collapse--is just fine by me.

[wryter2000]

39. As far as I know, no

I had a hazy memory of someone saying something about something :evilgrin:, but that's probably just me. I only meant that this whole thing reminds me of Watergate/Vietnam/Nixon, it's bizarre.

[Cooley Hurd]

136. What about video tape - security cameras and the like?

Surely, every freaking room in the WH must have surveilence cameras. Could that be used in a court of law? :shrug:

[WinkyDink]

146. No, they do not!

Do you think there are VIDEOTAPES of Monica?!

The S.S. knows by, essentially, GPS where the POTUS is, but NO CAMERAS!!

[TankLV]

159. National security.

Remember all those cheney tapes and meeting reports, which were subpoened many times over - as well as other bushco criminal evidence.

They just ignored them all and still have them (if they haven't been destroyed long ago).

It will be interesting to see if they give them up for this one.

I won't hold my breath as long as the repukes control everything.

[TomClash]

31. Tapes? No.

I would say some internal dissenters who oppose the Crime Family have other resources.

[FreedomAngel82]

111. Do they still tape the oval office??

Maybe this is why Bush was at his Texas place a lot in his first term?

[burythehatchet]

115. You're correct

I have always surmised that all the nefarious activities in which these bastards engage are all concocted at the pig farm.

[earth mom]

167. I think you mean spends almost HALF THE YEAR every year in Texas?!

NO doubt in my mind that Texas is where the REAL plans are made. And if there are tapes at the WH, I'm sure they will fight tooth and nail to not turn them over. Could this be why Roberts was so very quickly installed? Because Fitz would have to take the tape issue to the Supreme Court? My how convenient for the BFEE! :sarcasm:

[FreedomAngel82]

185. Could be

I'm not sure if they still tape the Oval Office though but I always thought it strange how he met so many foreign leaders at his place instead of at the White House (the Saudi prince and Sharon). Maybe this is why on Roberts but I don't know myself. Remember that Bush answers to corporations too since they helped give him money to get to where he is. Dirty tricks isn't always enough. :shrug: So maybe Roberts was a thank you to them and to help protect himself and his father. :shrug:

[AuntiBush]

221. You Betcha!

And some. Remember reading a report recently (out here somewhere) that he's spent more time at the ranch, away from the Oval Office then any Prez ever.

[Walt Starr]

192. Nope. AIR FORCE ONE TAPES!

Remember the subpoena for Air Force One phone records?

Every telephone conversation on Air Force One is taped.

[CoffeeCat]

207. Thanks for that Walt....you just refreshed my memory...

You are definitely on to something!

He did ask for the AF1 tapes.

Wow. Let's just hope there's something there.

This is just one scandal, among many crimes and evil deeds these bastard thugs have committed.

May this be the one that brings them down.

Thanks for reminding us that Fitz asked for the AF1 tapes. I think that is a very monumental point.

[Jane Austin]

205. I think that was a John Dean anecdote about Nixon.

n/t

[Toots]

Let's hope the "source" has been questioned by Fitz.

If news show hosts have this knowledge then rest assured so does the investigation or soon will. Wouldn't that be a humdinger if the whole damn lot of them charged with conspiracy to commit a felony. Better than a "misdemeanor" and quite possibly a "High Crime"

[Marr]

73. Fitzgerald did get access to Air Force 1 phone records.

And all phone conversations on the plane are recorded, IIRC.

[WinkyDink]

145. All phone companies keep records of calls.

But were the Oval Office wired, there would have been no need to depose Bill Clinton; just play him the tapes to explain.

IOW, about tapes and surveillance cameras on the President: NO. NO. And NO.

He isn't spied on!

[Marr]

160. Not the Oval Office- Air Force 1.

I've read that all calls on Air Force 1 are recorded.

[earth mom]

170. Ah, but perhaps * should be spied on! nt

[VolcanoJen]

106. Steph must have extremely high confidence in his source...

... to drop a nuclear bomb like that on national television.

Wow.

[hang a left]

134. Bush could have screwed himself in his "interview"

He was interviewed pretty early on as I remember.

[FreedomAngel82]

186. And wasn't he by himself too?

I think he was. With the 9/11 comission he didn't do it unless he was not under oath and with Cheney. Was he under any oath with this interview with Fitzgerald?

[hang a left]

190. The way I remember it was he had counsel present.

And it was done in the WH. Who knows for sure though. The story came out I think a couple of months after Bush was interviewed.

[wryter2000]

10. OMFG

It's a time warp back to the early 70's.

Please, Lord, give us a Democratic House of Representative in 2006. Give John Conyers subpena power. Amen.

[babylonsister]

16. No, please, Lord, give us

an entire admin that resigns in disgrace! O8)

[FreedomAngel82]

112. And off to the Hague!

[converted_democrat]

11. OMG- Please, please let this be true.............n/t

[colbushwhacker_2000]

15. Now this is a 'bombshell"

[Seen the light]

17. If ths true, how soon until impeachment hearings begin?

[colbushwhacker_2000]

24. We need to win back

.......then Congress in 06, then we will be able to pursue the impeachment of these evil bastards, that is if we don't have massive resignations prior to the midterm elections !

[stubtoe]

122. When this starts to fall apart, it will do so in a big hurry,

all at once, like a dam failing. Get the popcorn!

[FreedomAngel82]

114. Wouldn't they jail him before impeaching?

Since that is a crime?

[sweetm2475]

237. And The Revolution Begins...???!!!

Hey with the timing of any possible findings and/or indictments to be brought by Fitz (Oct 28), wouldn't it be great if just a week later (on Nov. 2), thousands of us take to the streets and call for impeachment? I'm sure you all know about this already, I'm kind of new to DU, but in case you haven't already, you should check out this site:

http://www.worldcantwait.org/

If congress doesn't want to do their jobs, maybe we can help persuade them. Maybe I'm just a dreamer but what are words without action?


:kick: :grr: :kick: :grr: :kick: :grr:

[DemsUnited]

18. Please oh please oh please let this be true!!!

[Z_I_Peevey]

19. Please, please let it be so.

Everybody wearing their seat belt?

[Cocoa]

20. Coach Hastert, you better start practicing your Oath of Office

you need some work on your enunciation, mumbling won't do.

[Independent_Liberal]

209. I can hardly wait...

...for the Hastert administration to move into the White House!

:)

[acmavm]

21. Of course they were involved. Did anyone really every think that they

weren't?????????????????????

[Cocoa]

30. but I don't recall any evidence before this

someone told Steph, that's the news.

[usregimechange]

71. You are right, first we have heard of this.

[IndyOp]

22. CIA Leak List

The 21 Administration Officials Involved in Exposing Plame
<http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal>

Thanks for the link to ThinkProgress - this is the first time I've visited and I've bookmarked it.

:kick:

[texpatriot2004]

213. Thanks for the list of those involved. That ThinkProgress site is

FAB.

[sniffa]

226. no boLton on there?

tsk tsk

[peacetalksforall]

27. Libby and Rove and Bolton or anyone else did not act on their own.

They are go-fers and arrangers. They don't make policy - they carry it out.

It's only logical that Cheney is involved. In most cases, it would be doubtful that Bush was involved because he is only the pretend President. However, his forte is revenge. And this was IN PART an act of revenge, but it was more an Act of eliminating those who knew about Cheney's involvement in nuclear and wmd business transactions through Pakistan.

All the other circumstantial facts are there:

They wanted that war.
They had to create a cause.
They had already had a failed forgery.
They were the ones to profit- in dollars and 'political capital'.
Cheney had to stop the findings of the CIA on his dealings.
They did not get the lie they wanted.
They ignored truth.
They coerced and arranged an entire administration lie for the SOTU, the United Nations, and supposedly, Congress and the Senate. And us and the Iraqi people.

I say it is a Cheney cover-up and a Bush revenge act. Libby, Rove, and Bolton are the 'arrangers'.

[leesa]

92. Bush knows exactly what's going on...don't play their "He's too dumb"

or "He's too holy" card.

[peacetalksforall]

179. I say he is a pretend President because I don't believe they tell him

everything. I don't think he is capable of knowing enough to create a war plan and a national and world strategy on his own. He can say what he wants, but I believe it comes from a very emotional juvenile level that moves into the criminal adult level when it E A S I L Y translates into terms that he gets - profit, legacy, loyalty, and revenge. I believe that when it gets into anything complicated, he can only get it if given a very simplified executive summary that is enhanced orally by Card, Rice, Rove, Gonzales and most especially Cheney. When it gets complicated, I believe, as hs been said, that he transfers authority to his team with pretend words such as - I trust you to do it and do it right (for the cabal).

His name was not on the 1998 letter to Pres Clinton in which Cheney, Wolfkowitz, Rumsfeld, Krystol, and many others asked Pres Clinton to go to war against Iraq. All those signers and more are the 'operators' for a larger cabal. We don't even know all the names of those who are calling the shots. Those we hear about are only the doers - the ones assigned to carry out the big guys plan. I don't believe this is a normal Republican Party. Maybe there never was.

Bush is the actor-pretend President solely used for the purpose of relating to a certain segment of their voting base.

All proof is out there.

[FreedomAngel82]

187. I think the opposite

I think all of his whole image is an act to protect him and him not get caught so someday his family can leave off where Bush left off. I just don't buy any of the act. The stupidity he does and the poor speech etc. Everything with Bush is an act, but I highly believe he is involved. He was talking about invading Iraq in 1999. You can read about that at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info I think he and his father do work together and are closer then what they want us to believe to protect his father. Just because his name wasn't on the letter doesn't mean anything. He could still be very involved without being apart of that. They wouldn't want to leave any trail of Bush being involved so he wouldn't go to prison and he could still keep his White House job and carry out the plans. I think everything they're doing comes from his father and they answer to him and he answers to Carlyle. Why before 9/11 would he have this whole stupid image and then the weeks following 9/11 had this pretty decent speech and aura about him and now he's back to being stupid? It's all just an act.

[peacetalksforall]

202. Yes to the act. But I think the act is to make him look like he's doing

the job. The agenda does not start with Carlyle. It is higher up. Think a consortium at the highest level of banking, investment, decades old moneyed people who are capable of funding the salaries and expenses of the foundations whose salaried retirees are the ones who come up with the plan. Some say it includes Royalty and the Vatican. It crosses borders just as the spy machines of the U.S. U.K., Canada, and Australia cross borders (they have the UK spying on us instead of us to avoid legal problems. We spy on their people.

The plan for us is to bring us down in privacy, opportunity, income, and freedom to the levels of third world countries so that their new serfs and slaves of the world are equalized, completely controlled, and at their mercy - so that immigration and worker requests and complaints are contained.

They have a plan that appears to mix the 'best' of communism, facism, nazism, dictatorship, technology, and science to 'take care of us'.

Did you hear the statement Bush made that Africans could be the world policemen. I remember it being somewhat in the context of sending in Africans to maintain calm in countries like Iraq. The way I read it is that Africans are dispensible. My guess is that he spouted off because of his limited ability to know better or to remember to be discreet.

Yes, I believe Cheney and Bush are down on the pole and that Bush has a unique position while Cheney and others are the ones who meet with the agenda makers and work out the details of their planned metamorphosis for us. At the same time he and the others position themselves for income. The agenda callers already had the wealth. Cheney and the others are making theirs out of moving between government and business and making sure that everything is done to make them more money (their reward.)

Bush is only the actor (I prefer marionette) and not an agenda maker. How could he go from having everything done for him to doing it for everyone else?

[dogfacedboy]

241. Nope. Bush is a puppet President who's in over his head.

This isn't to say he's completely benign. He's a part of that culture through and through. He is, though, the frontman.

[FreedomAngel82]

116. Exactly

Remember that Bush was talking about going into Iraq in 1999 when he was campaigning for president. Check it out: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1221.htm

[peacetalksforall]

180. See my reply immediately above - 179. Thanks.

[Botany]

28. And their was dancing in the street

:bounce:

:beer:

:wow:

[astonamous]

32. Damn...it's Sunday and the liquer stores are all closed. I might

have to drive to Nevada today.

[Dudley_DUright]

62. Atrios has two bottles of champaign chilling

Perhaps you could snag one from him?

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2005_10_02_atrios_archive.html#112826442108482068

[usregimechange]

29. Kick, nominate, and mediablast

[Mr_Spock]

33. As if...

...this sort of "outing" could be done without Bush and/or Cheney's knowledge. Let's hope this is true and clearly spelled out in the indictments...

[H2O Man]

37. Cheney.

Bet he's a barrel of fun to be with right about now.

[Don Claybrook]

64. bet you're right

Do they keep mice and small animals around whose heads he can bite off when the mood strikes him?

For that matter, I'll wager W is in a freaking petulant fit right now, probably pretty boozed up. Betcha that stupid sonofabitch is wanting to start pushing red buttons because he's having a tantrum over what he doesn't completely understand is the collapse of his entire corrupt administration.

Hey, Dick, W, Tom, Bill? Suffer. Then go away.

[flyarm]

124. OHHH HELL THEY HAVE BEEN HAVING A POW WOW

ON THE SPIN THEY WILL USE...look delay was in action with the spin pronto..they know who will be indicted or they are pretty darn sure...they have the spin down to a science...we just need to have ours ready in return...and the dems in congress better damn well be ready as well...( i wish i had more confidence in that!)

look this morning rubin said pnac was a conspiracy to a call about pnac...they will play this to the base and fuck the rest of us as always..so we better be ready..i am currently compling all this info..we need to all do that...and start sending it out to all the repugs we know now..to beat them at the spin game!
start educating others who know nothing of this now...just send it to anyone and everyone on your email list so they have some clue..most are not like us who are informed...most people live with their heads in a cloud..so let em all have it now..so they are prepared for this info!! and for the indictments..i am sending to all dem clubs i belong to so they are all aware..and don't think they are...i was end of last month at a new dem club and only a couple of the 200 there knew anything about pnac!
so this stuff is over most americans heads!!

get it out there now..to everyone you know!!
we need our own talking points to send out now!! talking points of the truth!!

fly:grouphug: :patriot:

[cmf]

34. Source = Rove red herring

This stinks like a Rovian ploy to get people all in a tizzy and then when it's later proved to be false, the messenger gets the blame, taking the attention away from who's really guilty here.

[Liberal Veteran]

36. Yep, this has the earmarks of clasic Rove scheme.

It was my first thought.

[Mr_Spock]

41. Maybe, though I don't see the benefit of falsely naming the Preznit

It's always been considered bad to even have one's name mentioned in a conspiracy because people will assume he's guilty even if he's not indicted.

[Liberal Veteran]

50. The benefit is making it look like a partisan witch hunt.

You can hear it now, "They hate this president so much, they even falsely acused Mr. Bush of being a co-conspirator in the leak probe. That just proves this is about tearing down President Bush."

[Mr_Spock]

56. Perhaps, but nobody is accusing the Preznit - who was the source?

...and why would it be bad to report on what a source told you? Stephanopoulis is one of the most careful (perhaps excessively) Sunday show hosts that I've ever seen. He hardly seems like a likely dupe?

[Liberal Veteran]

72. Even so, I would encourage caution....

I don't exactly trust Stephanopoulis 100 percent.

[Mr_Spock]

78. Caution? I always assume the "rumors" will end up being false

I just enjoy the fact the he has fallen so much in people's eyes that even stating such a rumor is possible. This is a sign that Bush has lost almost all respect in this country. It doesn't matter if it's true - that's my point. I don't understand why Rove would even want people to have such a low regard for his Boy King? :shrug:

[Liberal Veteran]

105. I would agree with that. What really makes me mistrust this rumor....

...is that Bush just isn't bright enough to try that kind of political retaliation that is the Plame leak.

[FreedomAngel82]

118. I don't know myself

He works in the opposite direction. He makes someone's strength their weakness (their opponients). Plus, why would he risk his career for something like this? He could be Dan Rathered or worse. His career would be over. So I don't think this is a Karl Rove ploy. Here is a good quote from Think Progress about this with Bush: STARR DEPUTY SAID BUSH INTERVIEW SUGGESTED HIGH-LEVEL INVOLVEMENT IN LEAK: The New York Daily News reported, “The Bush interview ‘indicates there’s obviously a belief that the leak was at a high level,’ said Sol Wisenberg, a former Starr deputy who questioned Clinton. ‘The President usually doesn’t meet and knock around ideas with midlevel staffers.’” (http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal#bush )

[jim3775]

80. I agree, I'm holding out with cautious optimism

I'm not going to jump the gun on this one.

[Mr_Spock]

85. I totally agree that we should not believe the actual rumor

It's the fact that a respected Sunday show host (Republican at work says that Steph... has "seen the light") would even say such a thing. This really is a big deal to me just based on the source. I expect he will weasel out of any indictment (he can't be indicted anyway, can he?)

[usregimechange]

86. It is logical to assume the worst from this culture of corruption

[Mr_Spock]

88. Well, hearing this news doesn't make me feel the least bit manipulated

If this is the best "spin" Rove can put on this story (remember that almost nobody outside of DU and FR even talk about this story), then I'll burn in this hell any day of the week.

Rove should resign if this is the best spin he can put on this story.

[FreedomAngel82]

117. They'd do that anyways

Look at with Tom DeLay. :eyes:

[CoffeeCat]

52. I thought of that too!!!

Yes, it does seem Rovian.

Maybe Cheney is involved and they're attempting to quell the shock of Cheney's crimes.

If they put the rumor out there, that Bush is involved--and he's not and it's Cheney--it will seem like less of a scandal.

On the other hand---Fitz has kept VERY tight lipped about all of this. WE've heard a great deal lately about Cheney. Maybe all of this rumbling about Cheney (and now Bush) is an effort to make the scandal seem not so greasy--if it's just Bolton or Libby.

I wouldn't put it past them!!!

Also, they like to leak false information to cloud the issues. If we're all saying Cheney and Bush today--they can later prove these items false and then declare that the entire investigation is flawed and full of rumors and false innuendo.

BASTARDS!!!

[Mr_Spock]

65. I am sorry that this government has made people so paranoid

Now I'm not supposed to enjoy the possibility that Cheney and or Bush may have been involved in the leak because Karl Rove may be trying to manipulate the story (pure speculation I might add)? Oh, well, it seemed like an awesome revelation ten minutes ago - now I'm pessimistic paranoid and depressed again based on this possibility :D

:D:D:D

[enid602]

95. scheme

I'm not so sure George S. would fall for such a scheme, after what happened to Dan Rather.

[FreedomAngel82]

120. Exactly

Remember that Rather said there was fear in the news room. So I don't think he would risk it either. One can hope. I wonder why they told about this though since Fitzgerald has had this case very tight-lipped.

[enid602]

128. George S.

Plus that, it became apparent after the Dan Rather fiasco that it was network executives that decided to go with the story. George S. mentioned that he has a source in an almost gossipy way, as if his decision to drop the bombshell was facilitated by knowledge from a trusted source, rather than management fiat. I wonder if his source is the Big Dog himself.

[FreedomAngel82]

189. Would he know though??

:shrug:

[lyonn]

211. What an angle enid602, the Big Dog himself!

Now that would be a source we'd all like it to be.

[gardenista]

162. Also part of the Rove EXPECTATIONS GAME

if it then turns out not to be true, the impact of the truth is lessened.

[Baconfoot]

168. Everything that sounds good for us sounds like a classic Rove Scheme

They can't ALL be classic Rove schemes can they?

I have been waiting two years for this!

[peacetalksforall]

182. I can't believe that some people think that Rove is responsible.

He could not do something like this on his own. The blame lies higher up on the pole.

Think about this.

Cheney is the person who had the most to gain by ending Plame's work.
But it was Bush on that aircraft with the super secret personnel file on Plame.
It was quite beneficial that Cheney wasn't there because we may never have proof that Cheney gave orders to Libby at the same time that Bush gave orders to Rove.

The only part of this that might make its way into a legal case is the stuff that happened on AF1 on that trip to Africa.... i.e., Bush.

We're looking at President Cheney with or without a cane because the Cheney motivation for bringing down Plame and her cover company is probably not in the venue of a Fitzgerald investigation.

[FreedomAngel82]

193. Wasn't Cheney going to the FBI a lot though?

Has anyone who was at the FBI at that point in time been questioned about what Cheney was doing there? I still think if Bolton or any of them get caught they have a good chance at spilling the beans.

[peacetalksforall]

203. He was going to the CIA and trying to fix the causes for war (from what.

I read.)

[usregimechange]

35. kick

[still_one]

38. even if it is true, which I believe it is, what makes you think it will go

anywhere?

I have no confidence in the media to pursue this, and are you telling me the democrats are finally going to get some courage?

[usregimechange]

51. Media blast now!

[Don Claybrook]

70. It's not up to the media. It's up to the grand jury. n/t

[still_one]

83. Up to a point

let's assume the grand jury indictes at least rove. If that happens I have no doubt that bush will immediately pardon rove before it goes to trial. I don't believe the grand jury can indict * or cheney since that is what impeachment is for, and the only way that would happen is if the democrats grew a spine, the repukes saw the light, and the media decided to do their jo

I hope I am wrong

[WinkyDink]

149. The GJ can indict anybody.

Said indictment would then lead, presumably and in a just world, to the commencement of impeachment proceedings.

[symbolman]

40. I'm putting the finishing touches on my film "Rove's War"

right now, expect to ship in a few days, and I've spent many months researching for this, it weighs in as a 2 DVD set at 150 minutes of definitive info on the entire Plame case, A complete Chronology, forged documents, the meeting in Dec of 2001 with Leeder, and Italian SISME (CIA) leaders, forgers, etc - Suskind's info that Bush was pushing for war way way back in 1999, Bolton and Rummy's ROGUE Intel, all mixed down with the Downing Street Minutes, Ex CIA Hearings, etc, etc..

THis is RED MEAT for political junkies and it's all there, plus some hilarious additions of graphics, cartoons, Jon Stewart grilling folks, etc to keep it fun at the same time - anyone that's seen my flash work, imagine my best flash amplified about 100 times and you'll see what I've got coming out of the DVD burner in a few days.

Some here donated a long time ago (and I apologise for being REALLY sick for a good month) but this is for you, and it's rolling out to the mailroom very soon - even wrote and performed a satirical song (which I think I'm going to release at the same time on the web, maybe send it to Al Franken, my pal Mike Malloy would probably play it, maybe Randi too) called "Secret Agent Plame" based on the old classic "Secret Agent Man" for the credits..

Once I've shipped to everyone I promised this film to, I'm going to hit up Skinner and see if I can use it to fund raise here..

I can't stop watching it and I should be bored as hell with it after editing and researching for months on end, going through hundreds of hours of film - it's my best..

Just getting the word out, that it'll be available at Takebackthemedia.com after I make my customers happy Look for it should I get the nod from Skinner (who will of course receive a Comp Copy for keeping us all sane :) )

Get out your popcorn and fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride - these guys are like tapeworms, they'll insist on practically killing the HOST to get rid of them..

[H2O Man]

42. I'll definitely buy

numerous copies .... the holidays are coming up, and I'm going to be gift-wrapping your work!

[symbolman]

47. Thanks!

I don't think I've even cashed the check from your donations H2O, I was so sick I wasn't sure if I was going to go under the knife, and if I had to get opened up and recover for months I was going to just send everyone their money back..

I think you'll enjoy the attention to detail.. even at 150 minutes there are still some loose threads that you can't add, or it would be a 4 hour film! But this one is packed..

And no tin foil stuff here, I did the real investigative reporter thang :)

Appreciate your support friend.

sym

[Rainscents]

63. I was wondering what happen to that DVD I ordered long time ago.

Now, I know. You are doing a great job!

[symbolman]

96. I am sooo sorry rainscents

I was having freaking gall bladder problems, constantly sick, couldn't eat, made two emergency trips to the doctor and hospital (no health insurance of course) and they were talking about opening me up..

Even while on the verge of screaming I was still doing three or four hours of editing, etc in the middle of the night, dragging myself to the screen - now I'm better and have been working for a few weeks all night long.

Just need to add a sountrack, output it to DVDs and then mass produce and ship, so it will be VERY soon.. besides I really wanted to make the definitive work on this, and I think I have :)

Thanks so much for your patience and understanding, I'm not the kind of guy to rip folks off, rather died trying..

appreciate it!

[annabanana]

178. when you market it.. let me know. . . n/t

[Stand and Fight]

218. PM me with information on this...

I request this so that I have a record that I can get to. I'm at work and unable to save such information.

This definitely sounds very interesting!


Thanks!

[displacedtexan]

43. Is George S. asking to be deposed?

Interesting turn of events.

Were I Fitz, I would subpoena Steph immediately.

[cygy2k]

46. Remember

I think you must remember that Bush & Cheney were involved simply by knowing about Plame/Wilson. That doesn't mean that they directly ordered Rover and/or Libby to squel about her. My point is that we can't get worked up over all these little hints that are made to raise viewership and ratings. I can word that line so many ways but the truth of it might never change.

Us democrats have had most of our problems because we jump the gun and want everything to be true and it back-fires on us. Just wait until we get the report and we'll see to what level this goes. I would be very surprised if Bush is even mentioned in the report, unfortunately. I would love nothing more than for him to go up the river.

[H2O Man]

53. Report.

There may not be any "report."

[rodeodance]

58. thanks--well said.

[FreedomAngel82]

194. And also with them

They didn't do anything to stop it. If they knew what was going on they had the obligation to stop it but they didn't.

[madrchsod]

48. ya right-

my source told me the tooth fairy was whispering in georges ear...or was that condi? dam there are just to many "sources" to keep track of

[usregimechange]

49. Can anyone verify this? Who watched this?

[BootinUp]

54. I should be able to shortly.

The show is at the half way point.

[usregimechange]

59. Let us know when you have, please.

[kittenpants]

66. also, what did the old crusty republican say in response...

please since I missed it on the east coast?!

thank you!

[Stephanie]

69. I watched it - that's exactly what he said

Threw it in just as they were closing the segment, so no follow up.

[usregimechange]

89. We have confirmation. thanks

[BootinUp]

84. yep.

Thats what George S. said alright.

Then they discussed how this would come out, in a report by Fitzgerald perhaps? And George Will pointed out that we should know something when the grand jury term ends on the 28th of this month.

[usregimechange]

94. I bet we get clues before than, like this one.

[Moochy]

113. I just watched it on Tivo

And it was exactly as the OP describes. pretty interesting no?

[dooner]

132. I watched the show and heard the same thing n/t

[seabeyond]

55. bazaroworld; talking plame during campaign; we knew bush was

in the chat and we wanted kerry and other dems to say it out loud. yet bush would dismiss plame part and say he was lookin to find who did this

during the campaign. bush told us he was lookin for the people as he sat there during plame meeting listening to how they were going to get 'em. we all knew he knew. we all knew he sat on plane with powell, cheney, fleshcer?, hughes, matlin and others and they planned this out. their mentality is stupid 13 yr old stupid boy shit. lots of hee hee going on

so

what we have to angle story is bush knowingly lied to the public, and another elected on lie

[usregimechange]

57. I just media blasted DC, NY, and Georgia

[usregimechange]

61. Mediablast all 50 states, here, now, it is up to us!

[usregimechange]

77. Come on, other states...

[usregimechange]

91. I am serious.

[usregimechange]

97. Seriousness defined

Main Entry: se·ri·ous
Pronunciation: 'sir-E-&s
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English seryows, from Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French serieux, from Late Latin seriosus, alteration of Latin serius weighty, serious; probably akin to Old English swr heavy, sad
1 : thoughtful or subdued in appearance or manner : SOBER
2 a : requiring much thought or work <serious study> b : of or relating to a matter of importance <a serious play>
3 a : not joking or trifling : being in earnest b archaic : PIOUS c : deeply interested : DEVOTED <a serious musician>
4 a : not easily answered or solved <serious objections> b : having important or dangerous possible consequences <a serious injury>
5 : excessive or impressive in quantity, extent, or degree : CONSIDERABLE <making serious money> <serious drinking>

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=serious

[usregimechange]

110. Ok, if 17 of us send to 3 states, we will have blanketed the press

[usregimechange]

164. Ok, time to do this.

[usregimechange]

199. DUue?

[Rob H.]

60. Did Fitzgerald ever question Stephanopoulos?

I hope that whoever his source was, s/he wasn't the only one who knew about Bush and Cheney's involvement. I also wonder whether Stephanopoulos would pull a Miller and go to jail rather than reveal the name of whoever it is.

[usregimechange]

67. My guess is Fitz knows more than stepocockaless

[Marr]

68. Remember when McClellan said,

"If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration"?

I'm sorry, Mr. Bush- but you can no longer be a part of the Bush Administration. LMFAO.

God, I hope this is true. They will be publicly roasted and then impeached and publicly roasted again if it is.

[usregimechange]

74. I would literally dance in my Repub county street! Justice be done

[Moochy]

76. Two points Miller made at her press conference

I knew that the media would *ONLY* pick up on her first point.

1) she needed the personal release from source (scooter libby)
2) she needed fitzgerald to agree to only question her about her conversations with (scooter libby) and no other WH sources.

Nobody is picking up on the more important point 2) which is, by omission revealing who she is still protecting.

Bolton? Bush? Cheney? Rove? who knows? Fitzgerald and Miller I guess, and probalby Bush and Cheney, as well as everyone else on the cabinet.

[usregimechange]

82. And me and you soon I hope

[Stephanie]

104. I think Cheney. My intuition says she is tied to Cheney.

She printed whatever the neo-cons told her. Her alleged source for most of the disinfo was Chalabi. Chalabi is a neo-con out of the Univ. of Chicago, tied to Wolfie and Perle. That whole neo-con PNAC crew was in cahoots - for various motivations - to remake the ME. Who was at the top of the heap? Cheney. I think Miller is closely connected to Dick Cheney, not just Libby.

[Moochy]

108. I think your intuition is right

...and having watched the meet the press show and searched around the major sunday editorials, don't you think its a bit predictable that noone in the media has picked up on her second point? the part about securing fitzgerald's agreement to narrow testimony.

[Binka]

147. Judy Was/Is Cheney's Mistress

Been saying it since June. I'd make book on it. Then I'd lay down $5000 on the Miller/Cheney exacta.

[Sydnie]

183. What if she is Lynn's mistress? Could be where she gets her

material for her books? :rofl:

[Virginian]

223. Right, TWO reasons

Reason TWO was the real reason, The other was just thrown in to get her some sympathy in the press.

[Mr_Spock]

87. Hey, this post doesn't have 100 votes yet

I say we give this one at least 100 :D

[usregimechange]

90. Yes, we need to get our organizers in here and toast this one

[Mr_Spock]

196. Only 51 Greatest votes?

C'mon!

[usregimechange]

98. I want to be post # 100!

[usregimechange]

99. I am I am post # 100! wee

[usregimechange]

100. wait, here we go

[usregimechange]

102. Thank you, Thank you very much, thank you.

[FreedomAngel82]

103. Wow!

What a bomb! I hope this is true! I wouldn't be surprised. Especially if Bush is involved. This would show he's been involved in everything since the beginning (I knew he had been from what we've been told).

[tularetom]

119. For us west coasters

I want to watch this show. But before I do somebody tell me is Pukie Roberts on it? I can't watch if she is.

[rndmprsn]

121. ding ding ding...

thats the hammer of justice banging these cronies upside the head, ive been waiting for this for a long time...lets hope the truth sets us free.

[usregimechange]

123. kick

[usregimechange]

125. VIDEO

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/This-Week-Bush-Cheney-Plame-10-02-05.wmv

[TacticalPeek]

126. Thanks for the link.

:kick:

[maddezmom]

127. oh boy

thanks for the clip. :D missing out on all the fun here in the UK.

[applegrove]

130. Trying to raise expectations so the report or indictments of just a few

don't look so bad? Don't know. Let's wait for the facts.

[DoYouEverWonder]

131. The outing of Valarie Plame was planned on AF1

during Bush's trip to Africa in 2003. Only a handful of key staff went. It was from here that the calls went out to Rove and Libby to get Wilson and out his wife. Bush was not only in the loop, he started the loop. Bush will probably be cited has an unindicted co-conspirator.

[Botany]

139. Didn't Fitz get the phone logs & faxes from AF 1?

HMMMMMMMM?

[Pithy Cherub]

133. I want to know who sold out POTUS & VPOTUS.

That would have to be extremely high in the cabal and with evidence beyond just hearing! They also will have to cop to a lesser charge, just like Iran Contra, Watergate, Franklin...

Oh I like today, I really do...:popcorn:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

135. Someone who is probably scared shitless as to where Bushco has

taken and is taking our country.

[Pithy Cherub]

142. They have to be scared personally to sell out the BFEE.

They signed on for the political corrupt agenda with no loss of sleep. they have to fear losing freedom from jail, loss of reputation and loss of standing in the power realm. That's the only thing that makes these republican cockroaches move.

Susan MacDougal stood her ground and nary a republican has the foundation of Truth that she had.;)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

165. I agree on all accounts. BTW.. Susan MacDougal is a personal hero

of mine. What Ken Starr tried to do to her was beyond unconscionable.


There have been and do believe there are, many Democrats that have been corrupt, yet I cannot think of one who has ever been truly evil like the sociopath and his minions.

[eppur_se_muova]

234. BFEE?

I can figure out most of the acronyms and abbreviations, and have seen just about every "nickname" applied to *, but this one is new to me...all I can think of is "Bush Forces of Evil" but it's short an E....

Is that perhaps "Eeeeeeevill", a la Bela Lugosi?

Just curious.

[Pithy Cherub]

235. Bush Family Evil Empire

Welcome to DU :hi:

[Mr_Scarecrow]

230. Maybe someone on the agency side...

The NSA or CIA? I don't know the psych profiles of these people but I would have to guess they are whip-smart, have long memories, stick together like Krazy Glue, and have been absolutely f-ing furious at this outing. Especially at the field-level, I imagine that these guys and women are super un-partisan, knowing that their lives always depend on a delicate web of secrecy from a wide variety of people.

Political retaliation probably doesn't bother them as much when it doesn't threaten the country's security. But this was a big middle finger to all agents.

[senseandsensibility]

137. okay, this is probably a dumb question

but after georgie issued this tortured shocker in which he appears to me to be trying to downplay the situation, what was the reaction? Didn't any of the journalists, as they insist on calling themselves, question him about it? :sarcasm: I'm sure they went into spasms trying to get to the bottom of it. I agree that this seems to be a major newsflash, but as always with the lapdogs, it will not be reported or commented on if it adversely affects chimperor. So, as many wise DUers have stated before, we have to wait and see what Fitz says. Let's hope we hear something soon!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

138. Question for the posters in this thread: If the Bush and Cheney are....

...indicted by Fitz's Grand Jury, do they have to step aside just like Delay was forced to step aside?

[Pithy Cherub]

140. Short legal answer is no. However; the political parallel

is Watergate by virtue of an accumulation of evidence that would put 2006 wingnut rule in jeopardy would certainly make it a highly viable "choice". Secondly, the republicans would have to commit hari kari or pubbie fratricide by telling them they had to go for the "good of the country." Additionally democrats (the few non-wimpy ones) would need to put together a strong concise narrative on all of the corruption that should be communicated.

[NewJeffCT]

141. I just hope it's true

If this comes out into the mainstream, one thing Bush & Cheney may succeed in doing is making sure Americans never trust their own government again for generations to come.

Now, if several people in the administration are indicted over this, and Bush/Cheney are unindicted co-conspirators... what happens? My guess is they try to throw so much BS out there that nobody knows what to believe. But, do enough Repubs cross the line & vote to start impeachment proceedings?

Hopefully, we can pick up a few seats in the House & Senate next year because of it, too.

[nvliberal]

144. I'll believe indictments of Bush and Cheney

when I see it.

Hoping Bush and Cheney will be removed over something as relatively trivial as Plamegate is wishful thinking taken to the nth degree.

As I've said in another post, if the fallout from Katrina, a far worse scandal than some Nixon-style revenge story, doesn't cause the top two in our government to resign let alone be impeached, THIS sure as hell isn't going to do it.

The Republicans in Congress are thoroughly corrupt, and because they control the institution, there's no chance in hell Bush and Cheney will be removed.

[NewJeffCT]

150. there's a lot more involved with the Plame Outing than revenge

H20 Man, Robert Paulsen & Me. and others can fill you in a lot more than me... but, it is not just revenge. Revenge is minor compared to the other things involved.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

151. I don't think you CAN indict a sitting prez. They could be unindicted

conspirators.

[TacticalPeek]

154. I think that is undetermined.

That last guy on the graveyard shift of Clinton's Independent Counsels was making like he might could indict, before the Big Dog finally wised up and took a deal.

IIRC.

[Cats Against Frist]

177. Right, because TREASON is trivial.

:eyes:

[Stand and Fight]

220. What the hell are you smoking?

The Plame affair is anything but trivial! More importantly, it ties directly into the elective war in Iraq. If that's trivial, you're out of your bloody damn mind.

[astonamous]

143. The response of the panel to what Stephanopoulos said

was a little disappointing. Did George slip it in there just to see what reaction he would get and when no one responded he just let it go? I mean, if I would have been on the panel, I would have jumped up and asked him to repeat himself or clarify his statement. Something.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

153. I think the non-reaction of the panel is because

they were NOT suprised. You and I are, because this is the first time we have heard of it. The panel's attitude was so ho-hum that it made me think this has probably been out in the media world for a while.

[usregimechange]

148. kick

[Jack Rabbit]

152. Let's hope Fitzgerald has the same source

[Cocoa]

157. if he doesn't

then Steph should expect to be hearing from Fitzgerald very soon.

[TankLV]

155. Hooo boy - pass the popcorn!

And I hope those involved in exposing this "STAY AWAY FROM SMALL AIRPLANES"!

[onehandle]

158. The Dems need the House.

Treason>Stained Blue Dress=Impeachment

[loudsue]

173. Dems need to move on OUTLAWING secret code in voting machines

...Voting machines that are OWNED by 4 republican companies... and companies that keep electing a republican house and senate (not to mention, president).

We CANNOT get a Democratic majority in both houses as long as we keep using the republican's voting machines.

It WILL. NOT. HAPPEN.

It's not who casts the votes. It's who COUNTS the votes that matters in an election.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Kolesar]

215. We need Dems to campaign on the voting machine issues

However, this is all an aside to the story of this thread about Plame-gate.

[AX10]

161. Did this come from the mouth of Stephanopolous, ON AIR?

Please say this is so.

[Moochy]

166. This is so.

I saw it & tivo'd it even. It may be on some video blog site already...

[TacticalPeek]

171. See post #125.

:)

[deadparrot]

169. That doesn't shock me at all.

I'm just surprised that someone leaked it. :wow:

Heads are gonna roll. :popcorn:

[usregimechange]

172. I want to be post # 200!

[Zynx]

174. If this is true, then it is all over for the Republicans.

[Lex]

191. I wish I could be that optimistic.

The Repuke Controlled Congress won't impeach him, even if Bush is shown to have been complicit in TREASON.

They just won't do it, imho.

[Zynx]

197. Politically they will be finished.

They will be down the very looniest of the loony support after something like this.

[Vinca]

176. Interesting. That might explain the sudden

falling off of the wagon and the general haggard look of the Chimp in Chief. That makes Bush, Cheney, Delay and Frist possibly going for the ride. Who does that leave us with as POTUS? Condi? The next few months are going to be really interesting.

[goclark]

195. I thought it went Haskert (sp) and then BYRD!!!

Condi wasn't in the mix!!

I think Byrd would be the coolest ~ he would drive the Rethugs crazy cause he knows the Constitution! LOL

[Stand and Fight]

222. Byrd is no where that close to the presidency in line...

The first Democrat in line is the Secretary of Transportion.

[goclark]

224. I saw it in a thread here at DU

I was shocked!
As I recall, no one corrected it.

[Stand and Fight]

228. If I had seen that thread, I would have corrected it.

The line of succession is as follows:

• The Vice President Richard Cheney
• Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
• President pro tempore of the Senate(1) Ted Stevens
• Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
• Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
• Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
• Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
• Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
• Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns
• Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez(2)
• Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao(3)
• Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
• Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
• Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
• Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
• Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
• Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
• Secretary of Homeland Security(4) Michael Chertoff

(1) The president pro tempore presides over the Senate when the vice president is absent. By tradition the position is held by the senior member of the majority party.
(2) Carlos Gutierrez was born in Cuba and is ineligible.
(3) Elaine Chao was born in Taiwan and is ineligible.
(4) In late July 2005, the Senate passed a bill moving the Homeland Security secretary to number 8 on the list. The bill is awaiting House approval.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0101032.html

[goclark]

229. God save our country

Maybe we will have a woman president after all (condi.)

If they keep going down the line, it could happen.

OMG

[Stand and Fight]

232. Eeeekkk.... Condi!

That liar! Please God no!

[usregimechange]

198. 200th?

[usregimechange]

200. 200 posts! On Fire! Let Justice be done.

[Lex]

201. Well-played, usregimechange!

:thumbsup:

[Bernardo de La Paz]

214. Pathetic

[bklyncowgirl]

204. I always thought that the Chimp was involved

Whoever decided to get a Wilson through his wife was nasty, vicious and none too bright.

Sound like anyone we know.

[usregimechange]

206. kick

[populistdriven]

208. This better be the real deal, George!

:) :toast: :smoke: :dunce: :headbang: :woohoo:

[demgrrrll]

210. I find myself almost giddy at the prospect of more and more indictments.

I can barely contain myself. I told my husband tonight we would lead a conga line through our neighborhood when and if these indictments come down. Party on Wayne..calling out to all the world are you ready for a brand new beat.....CONGA!

[bridgit]

212. as vindictive as they are in general makes plenty sense to me...

:D

[flordehinojos]

216. some of us never needed stephanopoulus or his source to know that the bush

boy and cheney were involved in the outing of PLAME... we know it, knew it, from day one... you just have to look at the bushes standard way of operating.

covert activities.
smear the truth.
target their opponents.
and then ... obscure and
deny! deny! deny!

[LynneSin]

225. I'm not buying Bush involvement but I am buying Cheney's involvement

Here's why.

Personally, I think that Bush has absolutely no involvement in the day to day operations other than being the face of the Bush Regime. I've always suspected that the reason Bush takes so much vacation is because he has nothing to do all day so the people running the administration would rather have Bush on vacation then meddling around the White house. Bush's purpose with this goverment is simple - give a few speeches a year (memorized), answer a few press conferences (scripted and pre-selected questions) do a few photo-ops (with pre-selected friendly people) and stay the hell out of the day-to-day operations.

But Cheney IS one of the people running the goverment but since he scares people with just that damn snarl it's best to keep him hidden someplace safe where he can make the day-to-day decisions. So without a doubt Cheney knew and was involved with the decision. If Bush knew anything it was probably just an afterthought to mention something like "We've dealt with Joe Wilson coming out against you"

[Joey Liberal]

227. This could be bigger than Warergate n.t

[maxsolomon]

233. and he'll go to jail to protect that source!

his hair, however, will squeal.

[Supersedeas]

236. and the Corporate Media follow-up to this is where? Soladad?

[Gronk Groks]

238. Please Divinity, make it so...

...to busy to get to this before now.

[wiggs]

239. Reinforcing hope: B*sh hired criminal attorney months ago re Plame nt

[zonkra]

240. Yeahsure...

and if you believe that, you probably even believe that Junior's asshole dad and that drooling dumbass Reagan were at meetings discussing Iran/Contra arms to the Ayatollah in return for American hostages. C'mon... I'm sure Dub and his Dick weren't "in the loop", because that would be downright traitorous and probably even treasonable for anybody who thought nobody was above the law and was just trying to restore honor and dignity to the White House so nobody would ever even think about trying to exercise their libido their ever again. Right?