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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:39 PM
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Is/was anyone a Black Panther?
Question spurred by PBS 60s documentary - FASCINATING. I LOVE PUBLIC TV. Screw the M$M!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:41 PM
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1. Well, yeah, lots of people were - it really existed -
That's how they got so much attention, there were so many of 'em.
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ForABlueAmerica Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:48 PM
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3. I think he meant
Are any DUers members of the Black Panthers
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:00 PM
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10. Yes, but that is not what was asked
I know it's rather anal of me, but I hate seeing such a misuse of the language, which happens constantly here on DU. People not using the proper words to ask their questions, opting instead to just be lazy asses about it.

The question to ask, if one wants to know if any DUers were part of the Black Panthers is, "Were/Are you involved with the Black Panthers?"
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:19 PM
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12. For the record
I have a masters degree in English.

I am one of those people who sends grammatically-correct and properly punctuated text messages and emails.

I am one of those people that sends anal letters (yes, letters written on anuses! or perhaps it's 'anii'!) to businesses that have signs like this:





If you admit you're being 'rather anal' about the OBVIOUS meaning of my subject line, I hate to see what kind of sarcastic replies you trot out to the people who constantly misspell in their posts. Everyone isn't naturally gifted in verbal reasoning; some people didn't even finish high school; some people come to English as their second language - but I guess you rush to criticize before you find out the circumstances, or if, perhaps, the writer made an honest mistake.

Nevermind that everyone realizes that the internet is a forum which is in between formal letters, scholarly publications, etc., and speech. Message boards, especially, are realms of rapid-fire information exchange.

AND - I hate people being needlessly self-righteous and persnickety more than I 'hate seeing... a misuse of the language'.

So put that in your pipe's and smoke it.;)
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. oooh, snaps!! you tell'em!
:spank:
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:39 PM
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17. Thank you for saying what MUST be said.
And the way you said it! Only an english major could do that. Those whose thoughts lean more towards math.. we have to hire you guys to edit for us. Our minds just don't wrap around it.

But I take it a step further. I don't see a BBS as between formal letters and scholarly publications. I see them more on the level of notes.

Also, we are chatting. When a group are standing together chatting, the person who constantly nick picks others speach patterns, accent, slurring, etc.. would soon find themselfs out of the group. We all kinda understand that. So socialy we just don't do it. Plus, we can SEE why they speak the way they do.

Generaly, when I see someone slapping a poster around for their misspelled words, grammer, etc.. I think they are just showing off or giving themselfs a pat on the back. Instead of making them look smarter, they look stupid. They are judging a person based only on their writting skills. There is much more to a person then that. And there are so many other skills and very few are perfect at all of them.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:45 PM
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18. Indeed
And if I am getting judged on my English-language skills, I would HATE to see what people would think of me if they made me pass some kind of trigonometry-related social-relevance test. hahahahaha

I am one of those people who really has to bite my tongue sometimes, about some thing, however... like those damn apostrophes!!!

For some reason, that just drives me NUTS!

Anyway, I guess I am just a moran.
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #18
31. commas, are my, kryptonite. Please, forgive my, comma, faux pas.
n/t
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #17
42. It's g-r-a-m-m-a-r, not grammer.
:hide:
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:59 PM
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23. I didn't finish high school and I understood exactly what you meant.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. well, maybe that's because
you and me are just morans.

so we can understand each other, speak the same language
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. Now, that made me laugh outloud and I'm by myself.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:08 AM
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30. good
As far as I am concerned, we are all here at DU and are therefore trying to do GOOD for our fellow man. And all men and women and dog fetuses are created equal (too all in this thread: don't worry if you don't get that, I was making fun of a post I made in another, very controversial thread)!


FIGHT THE POWER!
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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #25
65. Now you've gone and 'Stunned my beeber"
to use another popular freeperism
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #12
39. so theres no such thing as dress's?
or pizza's even? eeps!!
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #12
50. I did put it in my pipe's!
Then I put on my's smoking clothe's.

:-)

I was rather harsh on this one last night - sorry about that! I think it's that awful mix of the engineering/science background (taking things literally) AND a strong background in English and language usage that makes questions like "Does anyone go fishing?" irritate me.

But, anyway, I read my post and cringed at it's (sic) awfully harsh and mean tone. Sorry about that!

When I lived in NYC, I was always tempted to see if I could make a living solely as a menu editor. I think I could have - I found typos freaking everywhere, pretty much every menu.

And all the ignorant shit like "dress's".
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. No problem
Let's all hug and get along. haha

But, really, YES - I feel your pain. The apostrophe thing drives me nuts. And what I really don't understand it that all the signs and menus are so consistently WRONG. I mean, you'd think that part of the job of a sign-maker or a printer would be to SPELL things CORRECTLY on signs and printings. :eyes:

I fear that, in my lifetime, the apostrophe will go the way of 'thou' (which we Southerners have, in our only moment of true greatness, in turn replaced with 'we').

Sorry if this was riddled with mistakes, I am MUCH less careful than even in emails, and I tend to type fast and hit reply and then roll my eyes at myself.

:)
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #12
51. I am one of those people WHO sends anal letters.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. LOL, no wonder you hang out in the lounge a lot.
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 11:34 PM by cat_girl25
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. I'm a pink panther
:D

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #22
36. And a mighty good looking one!
How ya doing baby? :hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:51 AM
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43. So-so...
:hug:

We got punked in New Orleans by Bushler and his gangstas. I'm all outta tears and full of rage now... Good thing I'm a pacifist.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #22
44. Meow!
Purr, purr.... :loveya:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #44
45. Oi Pacahmama!
I started posting here again... I missed all my friends. :hug:

Looky what I made today: :D

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #45
46. Oi Swamp Rodent!
:hug:

Yeah, I have missed you....then again, I've not been posting as much lately either....partially due to being swamped with back to school stuff etc. but also just the stress and frustration of what is going on in the world and feeling so upset that I needed downtime....

PS: That image of Bill Bennett is perfect....gawd damn mofo...can't believe what he said (well, actually I can!)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:32 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. Pachababies e Pachadaddy?
Tudo bem?

At least DeLay has finally been sprayed with his own insecticide! :bounce:

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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:50 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. Pachafamily is good....Pachagrandpa is visiting right now too!
We went to Yosemite this last weekend....was so beautiful....I'll email you some pix of the Pachababies!

Any news on your continueing studies in Tennessee? Are you getting any assistance from FEMA? Need anything? Care Package? :)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:59 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Didn't you get my email?
... about the care package? Anyway, I am kissing your feet right now. :* :D
No FEMA and no Red Cross, and I haven't even heard from the heard from the Grammy Music Assoc. that claimed they were helping musicians. Ziltch. Nada for me... though, a fellow student at UM let me borrow one of her bikes today. :)

The UM folks have been very nice to me, waiving my tuition and signing me up for thesis hours - the Dean of the Arts and Sciences even created a PhD level theory course just for me (since they didn't normally offer it). :)
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #15
24. What is THAT supposed to mean?
I hang out in the Lounge a lot, but I also READ many of the posts here in GD.

Does that make me not as good a DUer as everyone who mostly posts here???
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. Yeah, I don't get it, either
I spend a lot more time posting/reading in GD, but I wasn't sure what the point was. I don't have any more energy for flameretarding tonight... gotta get some shut-eye.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. You get some rest
:hi:
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #29
32. WTF?
What is with the flameretards tonight? Geez... I only wanted to hear people's experiences with the Panthers... geeeeeeez....
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. I was not flaming you
you said you were tired.

It was not a flame...really.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #33
35. Okay
:hi: back atchya, then

latenight post-flame delirium... and I've still got to make the bed.... drooooooool
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #24
37. It doesn't mean anything.
And I hang out in the lounge a lot too.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #37
38. OKAY
Thought you were lounge bashing for a minute...

:hi:
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Polethebear Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:48 PM
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4. You know,I heard them metioned so much over the years....
I did some reading a few weeks ago.I think they were a great idea,I just hate it that they had to be financed in the way they were(selling drugs and such) but I guess that was part of the enviorment.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:46 PM
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2. US Rep. Bobby Rush




http://www.house.gov/rush/

Biography

Congressman Rush was born on November 23, 1946 in Albany, Georgia. His family later moved to Chicago and lived on the near north and west sides. Rush attended Marshall High School and at the age of 17, enlisted in the United States Army. He served in the military from 1963 until 1968, receiving an honorable discharge.

Following his military service, Rush attended Roosevelt University, where he received a bachelor's degree in general studies in 1973, with honors. In 1994, he received a master's degree in political science from the University of Illinois at Chicago. Congressman Rush received his second master's degree, in 1998, in theological studies from McCormick Seminary, and, soon thereafter, became an ordained Baptist minister.

During the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's, Congressman Rush worked to secure basic civil and human rights for African-Americans, women and other minorities. He was a member of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) from 1966 to 1968. Congressman Rush was a co-founder of the Illinois Black Panther Party in 1968.

While a Black Panther, he operated the Panther Party's Free Breakfast for Children program. He also coordinated the Free Medical Clinic, which developed the nation's first mass sickle cell anemia testing program. This visionary Panther initiative forced America's health care providers to recognize the impact of sickle cell anemia on the Black community and to develop national research into its causes, effects and solutions, a practice which endures to this day.

Prior to his election to Congress, Congressman Rush was an Alderman in the Chicago City Council. He represented the 2nd Ward on Chicago's South Side for 8 years. As an Alderman, Rush helped pass significant environmental protection, gun control and neighborhood development legislation.

Congressman Rush received an honorary doctorate degree from the Virginia University of Lynchburg. He is the pastor of Beloved Community Christian Church and has been married to his wife, Carolyn, for 25 years.

http://www.house.gov/rush/bio.shtml




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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:50 PM
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5. Nope....but
Black Panthers is the name of my fantasy football team. The logo is a pic of Huey Newton. And yes, I'm white as a sheet.
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Polethebear Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:54 PM
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7. Here's what happened to one memeber in chicago
complete and utter bullshit,just not right


Fred Hampton (August 30, 1948 – December 4, 1969) was a radical African American activist. He was the deputy chairman of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party (BPP) when he was shot to death in his apartment during a raid by an elite tactical unit of the Cook County State's Attorney's Office (SAO), facilitated by the Chicago Police Department (CPD) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).
Hampton's quiet demeanor and restrained speaking style belied the abrasive image most people attach to the Black Panthers.
Hampton's quiet demeanor and restrained speaking style belied the abrasive image most people attach to the Black Panthers.
Contents


* 1 Youth
* 2 Chicago
* 3 The FBI
* 4 The raid
* 5 Aftermath
* 6 Quotes on Hampton
* 7 Reference
* 8 External links



Youth

Hampton was born on August 30, 1948, in Chicago, Illinois and grew up in Maywood, a suburb to the west of the city. His parents had moved north from Louisiana, and both worked at the Argo Starch Company. As a youth, Hampton was gifted both in the classroom and on the athletic field, graduating from high school with honors in 1966.

Following his graduation, Hampton enrolled at Triton Junior College in nearby River Grove, Illinois, majoring in pre-law. He also became active in the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), assuming leadership of the Youth Council of the organization's West Suburban Branch. In his capacity as an NAACP youth organizer, Hampton began to show signs of his natural leadership abilities; from a community of 27,000, he was able to muster a youth group 500-members strong. He worked to get more and better recreational facilities established in the neighborhoods, and to improve educational resources for Maywood's impoverished black community. Through his involvement with the NAACP, Hampton hoped to achieve social change through nonviolent activism and community organizing.


Chicago

At about the same time that Hampton was successfully organizing young African Americans for the NAACP, the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (as it was originally called) started rising to national prominence. Hampton was quickly attracted to the Black Panther's approach, which was based on a ten-point program of black self-determination. Hampton joined the Party and relocated to downtown Chicago, and in November of 1968 he joined the Party's nascent Illinois chapter — founded by Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) organizer Bob Brown in late 1967.

Over the next year, Hampton and his associates made a number of significant achievements in Chicago. Perhaps his most important accomplishment was his brokering of a nonaggression pact between Chicago's most powerful street gangs. By emphasizing that racial and ethnic conflict between gangs would only keep its members entrenched in poverty, Hampton strove to forge a class-conscious, multiracial albeit tenuous alliance between the BPP, Students for a Democratic Society (a radical political action group, most of whose members were white), the Blackstone Rangers, the Young Lords (a Puerto Rican organization), and the Young Patriots (a white group). In May of 1969, Hampton called a press conference to announce that a truce had been declared among this "rainbow coalition," a phrase coined by Hampton and made popular over the years by Rev. Jesse Jackson.

Due to his organizing skills, oratorical gifts, and personal charisma, he rose quickly in the organization, becoming leader of the Chicago chapter of the party. He organized weekly rallies, worked with a People's Clinic, taught political education classes every morning at 6am, and launched a project for community supervision of the police. Hampton was also instrumental in the BPP's Free Breakfast Program. When Brown left the Party with Stokely Carmichael in the FBI-fomented SNCC/Panther split, Hampton assumed chairmanship of the Illinois state BPP, automatically making him a national BPP deputy chairman. As the panther leadership across the country began to be decimated by the impact of the FBI's COINTELPRO, Hampton's prominence in the national hierarchy increased rapidly and dramatically. Hampton was in line to be appointed to the Party's Central Committee's Chief of Staff, were it not for his untimely death on the morning of December 4, 1969.


The FBI

While Hampton impressed many of the people with whom he came into contact as a effective leader and talented communicator, those very qualities marked him as a major threat in the eyes of the FBI. It began keeping close tabs on his activities. Subsequent investigations have shown that FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover was determined to prevent the formation of a cohesive Black radical movement in the United States. Hoover saw the Panthers, and gang coalitions like that forged by Hampton in Chicago, as a frightening stepping stone toward the creation of just such a revolutionary body.

The FBI opened a file on Hampton in 1967 that over the next two years expanded to twelve volumes containing over four-thousand pages. A wire tap was placed on Hampton's mother's phone in February of 1968. By May of that year, the young Panther's name was placed on the "Agitator Index" and he would be designated a "key militant leader for Bureau reporting purposes."

In late 1968, the Racial Matters squad of the FBI's Chicago field office brought in an individual named William O'Neal, who had recently been arrested twice, for interstate car theft and impersonating a federal officer. In exchange for dropping the felony charges and a monthly stipend, O'Neal apparently agreed to infiltrate the BPP as a counterintelligence operative. He joined the Party and quickly rose in the organization, becoming Director of Chapter security and Hampton's bodyguard.

By means of anonymous letters, the FBI sowed distrust and eventually a split between the Panthers and the Rangers, with O'Neal himself instigating an armed clash between the two on April 2, 1969. With the Panthers effectively isolated from their powerbase in the ghetto, the FBI went to work to undermine its ties with other radical organizations. O'Neal was instructed to "create a rift" between the Party and the SDS, whose Chicago headquarters was near the Panther's. The Bureau released a batch of racist cartoons in the Panthers' name, aimed to alienate white activists, and launched a disinformation program to forestall the realization of the Rainbow Coalition, a clear threat to the political status quo. In repeated directives, J. Edgar Hoover demanded that the COINTELPRO personnel "destroy what the stands for" and "eradicate its 'serve the people' programs".

Meanwhile, the local Chicago police did not stand idly by. Urged on by the FBI, it launched an all-out assault on the Black Panthers and their allies, characterizing the group as just a criminal gang. The CPD instigated an unprovoked armed confrontation with party members on July 16, which left one member mortally wounded and six others arrested on serious charges. On July 31, the CPD raided and ransacked the Monroe Street office, smashing typewriters, destroying food and medical supplies for the Panther health clinic and breakfast program, setting several small fires, and beating and arresting a number of Panthers for obstruction. A similar raid took place on October 31.

On May 26, 1969, Hampton was successfully prosecuted in a dubious case related to a theft in 1967 of US$72 worth of ice cream in Maywood. He was sentenced to two to five years but he managed to obtain an appeal bond and was released in August.

In early October, Hampton and his girlfriend, Deborah Johnson, pregnant with their first child, rented a four-and-a-half room apartment on 2337 West Monroe Street to be closer to BPP headquarters. O'Neal reported to his superiors that much of the Panthers' "provocative" stockpile of arms was being stored there. In early November, Hampton travelled to California on a speaking engagement to the UCLA Law Students Association. While there, he met with the remaining BPP national hierarchy, who appointed him to the Party's Central Committee, to assume shortly thereafter the position of Chief of Staff and major spokesman. This, combined with Chicago BPP chapter having become one of the strongest in the country, with one of the most successful Serve the People programs, motivated the FBI to look for a more permanent way of neutralizing Hampton.
Fred Hampton's body, sprawled in the doorway of his bedroom. Chicago Police Department photo.
Fred Hampton's body, sprawled in the doorway of his bedroom. Chicago Police Department photo.


The raid

In mid-November 1969, O'Neal provided the FBI with detailed information of Hampton's apartment, including the location of furniture and the bed in which Hampton and his girlfriend slept. An augmented, fourteen-man team of the SAO -- Special Prosecutions Unit -- was organized for a pre-dawn raid armed with an illegal weapons warrant. On the evening of December 3, Hampton taught a political education course at a local church, which was attended by most members. Afterwards, as was typical, several Panthers retired to the Monroe Street apartment to spend the night, including Hampton and Deborah Johnson, Blair Anderson, Doc Satchell, Harold Bell, Verlina Brewer, Louis Truelock, Brenda Harris, and Mark Clark. Upon arrival, they were met by O'Neal, who had prepared a late dinner including Kool Aid, which was consumed by the group around midnight. O'Neal left at this point, and, at about 1:30AM, Hampton fell asleep in mid-sentence talking to his mother on the telephone. (The Kool Aid was subsequently thought to have been laced with the powerful barbiturate, secobarbitol.)

At 4:00AM, the heavily armed police team arrived at the site, dividing into two teams, eight for the front of the building and six for the rear. At 4:45, they stormed in the apartment. Mark Clark, asleep in a front room with a shotgun in his lap, was killed instantly, firing off a single round — the only shot the Panthers fired — in a death spasm. The automatic gunfire converged at the head of the bedroom where Hampton slept. Two officers found him wounded in the shoulder, and the following exchange took place:

"That's Fred Hampton."
"Is he dead?... Bring him out."
"He's barely alive; he'll make it."

Two shots were heard, which were fired point blank in Hampton's head. One officer then said:

"He's good and dead now."

Hampton's body was dragged into the doorway of the bedroom and left in a pool of blood.

The raiders then directed their gunfire towards the remaining Panthers, hiding in another bedroom. They were wounded, then beaten and dragged into the street, where they were arrested on charges of aggravated assault and the attempted murder of their assailants. They were held on US$100,000 bail apiece.


Aftermath

At a press conference the next day, the police announced the arrest team had been "attacked" by the "violent" and "extremely vicious" Panthers and had defended themselves accordingly. In a second press conference on December 8, in which the assault team was praised for their "remarkable restraint" "bravery" and "professional discipline" in not killing all the Panthers present. Photographic evidence was presented of bullet holes made by shots fired by the Panthers, but this was soon demolished by reporters, causing an uproar. A hasty internal investigation was undertaken, exonerating the assault team. But investigators themselves later admitted it was a "whitewash". It took years of incessant public pressure to expose the lies, and eventually it was proven that all but one of the ninety-nine shots were fired by the police.

Hampton's funeral was attended by 5,000 people, and he was eulogized by such black leaders as Jesse Jackson and Ralph Abernathy, Martin Luther King's successor as head of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. In his eulogy, Jackson noted that "when Fred was shot in Chicago, black people in particular, and decent people in general, bled everywhere."

The officers involved in the raid were cleared by a grand jury of any crimes. The families of Hampton and Clark filed a $47.7 million civil suit against the city, state, and federal governments. More than a decade later, the suit was finally settled, and the two families each received a large but undisclosed sum. In 1990, the Chicago City Council passed a resolution declaring "Fred Hampton Day" in honor of the slain leader.

The Chicago City Council unanimously approved a resolution introduced by former Alderwoman Marlene C. Carter commemorating Dec. 4, 2004, as "Fred Hampton Day in Chicago."

The resolution reads in part: "Fred Hampton, who was only 21 years old, made his mark in Chicago history not so much by his death as by the heroic efforts of his life and by his goals of empowering the most oppressed sector of Chicago's Black community, bringing people into political life through participation in their own freedom fighting organization."

Hampton was one of the most dynamic, inspiring freedom fighters of any generation. One of his most notable quotes was, "You can kill a revolutionary but you can never kill the revolution."
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:00 PM
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11. I've read about him
but not in that detail.

Thanks!

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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:50 PM
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6. Revolutionary barbecue sauce, anyone?
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 10:59 PM by D__S
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:55 PM
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8. Do I really have to add
'anyone on DU'

????
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:23 PM
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13. StellaBlue
i lived in SF in 68, and volunteered in the breakfast for school kids effort sponsored by the BlackPanthers. a beautiful time. Black pride was powerful. i worked at the HuntersPoint bankofamerica, and OJ's sweet little mum was one of my customers. you forced some great memories on me, so i thank you.
peace and love
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:30 PM
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14. Cool.
And I REALLY like your avatar.

:)

PEACE!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:34 AM
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40. LOL did anyone here ever conspire to engage in illegal activity?
Nothing against the Panthers...it's just a funny question you asked, since those involved probably don't want to expose themselves to the public.

I can understand you asking it, though, as well. I'd love to hear what it was like.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:56 PM
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9. Agent Mike? Is that you?
:yoiks:
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:52 PM
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19. I went to the school where the Black Panthers began
That school was Merritt College, a community college in the middle of the African-American community in Oakland. I think they've moved it now up into the Oakland Hills but it used to be right in the middle of the impoverished community. In 1966, Huey Newton met Bobby Seale at Merritt College and founded the Black Panthers.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAnewtonH.htm

I was there for one year in 1969 and I remember seeing "Free Huey" written on the blackboards in most of the classrooms (he was then incarcerated because of a shoot-out with the police). The political science class that I took at Merritt College was, in retrospect, something from another world. It was full of white hippies and militant blacks, including several Vietnam Vets who were in states of extreme anger over the killing and bloodshed they'd seen. Merritt College was a very interesting place. I took a jazz improvisation class with pianist George Duke who later became very famous as one of the modern giants of the jazz keyboard.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:55 PM
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20. Thanks so much for that
That's just the kind of stuff I wanted to hear about!
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:46 PM
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56. their headquarters was on Market street in north Oakland
I don't know for how long they were there but I know they were.

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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:55 PM
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60. I went to Merritt College in the early to mid 70's and met some of them.
They may not like me to say this - LOL - but many of them were fairly nice one-on-one. But, ........ when they got "their game face on" it was awesome about the change.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 06:32 PM
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67. They were invited to give a talk in my political science class at Merritt
Edited on Sat Oct-01-05 06:39 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
Mrs. Wallenstein our professor invited members of the Black Panthers to present their political views to the class, with about five of them showing up. Some of the students were themselves Black Panthers. It was a long time ago but I remember them saying that racism was primarily economic-based. They seemed to be promoting a new type of economy based on local concerns, impoverished whites in their own communities, hispanics in theirs, native americans in theirs, etc. They stressed the fact that they were not for black separatism but for local economic self-determination in the African American community as only a first step. They felt that certain power groups were controlling the destinies of not only poor blacks but also of poor whites. One of them had even visited the Soviet Union and complained of the fact that the same type of power hungry elite had imposed itself there. They didn't seem necessarily pro-communist to me, as some have accused them of being. To me they seemed to be promoting a type of left-leaning libertarian socialism or black populism, starting in the black community. The emphasis was on black people doing for themselves, raising their own selves up, before they could get around to thinking about their relationship to other groups. They also indicated that self-determination "through whatever means necessary" was on the agenda, although they refused to answer 'yes' or 'no' to some of the 'make-love-not-war' people in the class as to whether they officially sanctioned violence.

As you mention in your post, they seemed dead-serious and also well read.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:56 PM
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21. On a related note...
Can anybody here tell me what 'is' is?
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:06 AM
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28. Subscribed to Panther Newspaper
I never belonged to the Black Panther Party (I am white), but agreed with many things, especially their wonderful series of programs for the poor--free breakfast for poor kids, medical care, free bags of groceries for poor families, free rides to visit family members in prison, nursery school that doubled as day care, etc.--many of which ended up as government programs for poor people, of the Head Start type. Great things only recently killed by Republicans. I did, however, subscribe to their bi-weekly newspaper for a few years during the early '70s; it was called the Black Panther Intercommunal News Service.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:12 AM
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34. What was your reaction to the content as a white person?
I mean, I am too young to have any firsthand knowledge of them at ALL, that's why I was asking... I think they are very interesting.

But I have always had the impression that they did have quite a lot of vitriol (maybe some people in this thread should reconstitute a local chapter?)...

Or did you feel like they accepted you as a white supporter?

Did you take any action based directly on the articles in their paper?
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:38 AM
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41. A Lot of Jargon, but Much Revelation of Truth, Too
Interesting question. Many things were helpful and I learned--at that time, there was a heavy emphasis on poverty (which I think we need to get back to), and it began a lifelong realization for me of this problem. Lately, with my own money problems, I really understand now. There were also many articles on police brutality, and as a white person, I had never given the issue any thought. The newspaper had a very lively, inflammatory style of writing, and objectively, I never felt I was getting the complete story, of course, but all the articles on the injustice of poverty, and the complete lack of resources in poor communities, was totally believable and moving to me. And to think that people are still waiting for help.

Much of the Panther rhetoric was a semi-Communist "proletariat" "bourgeoisie" type jargon, which was annoying and which I never related to. When the anger was directed against specifics--slum landlords, City officials, etc.--and described, I felt I was learning something. When it was a generality--"this white racist, Imperialist society," etc.--it had a phony, "jingoistic" ring to me. Actually, though, for a while there, the Black Panthers had an association with a white radical group called the White Panthers, but I don't know if the other group contributed much. Much of the tone of the writing was from the Little Red Book of Mao Tse Tung, and the Little Black Book of Kwame Nkrumah of Kenya, which I also bought at the time. Very radical, Communist-type vocanulary etc., much of which is embarrassing to me now--too simplistic, etc.

I think whites benefit by learning perspectives that are sometimes painful to read, as there is anger, but sometimes surprisingly easy to agree with, even if experiences aren't shared. The important thing is not to be a fake "I'm one of the good ones" whites, but just to make a sincere effort to understand conditions you weren't familiar with before.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:47 PM
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58. remember the book "Soul on Ice"
by Eldridge Clever? That was one of my favorite books of the era. I also like the Autobiography of Malcolm X a lot too. :)

:kick:

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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:41 PM
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66. A More Complete Political Spectrum Then--"Unmanaged"
Hi, CountAllVotes. Yes, I read both of those--"The Autobiography of Malcolm X" with Alex Haley was one of the greatest books I ever read; a true spiritual, human transformation. That book was extremely well-written, and makes you feel you were there; very affecting book. I read a lot of the books that were popular then--Angela Davis, the two George Jackson/Soledad Brothers books, also read "Ebony" and "Jet" Magazines all the time. There was a lot to learn from then.

You know, this thread is making me remember a lot of things that I learned from back then, that aren't available anymore. The whole society was different then, with the way social protest was expressed. I remember there was at once a more radical/militant side to the spectrum, and, a less vulgar and hostile expression of it. People did not just spit at you immediately, the way they do now. This was an era where people were not overly influenced and controlled by media, where broadcast media was regulated and not global-corporate, where TV news did not have Neilson ratings yet, so content wouldn't be altered for it, where people actually had the TV turned off most of the day unless something was being watched--I remember that. There were three network channels and Public Broadcasting, not the fractured disconnect we have now, and yet there was more range and variety then. PBS had very radical programs on then, like "Soul" and "Woman!" which I remember listening to. This was also the first time I ever heard Gloria Steinem and other feminists, on Phil Donahue, who also became a feminist--groundbreaking, Earth-shattering stuff to me. There were no "framing" "consultants" trying to sabotage you by twisting up your words and wrap the whole debate up with one shot, as now. Then, there was the unfiltered voice of the people.

It was a more united society then, and so even the angriest protests, as I recall, were trying to help make America a more just society, as we should be. You would never hear the "Fuck the Stupid American Sheeple; I'm Moving to Another Country" filth that you so often get now. I remember something then, that was called "the Black Rap." This was black people teaching and explaining to white people what it is like to experience racial bigotry, poverty, fear and anger from it, etc. This was more the attitude then--I'm going to try to explain it so you will understand. I have never been heard; I will be heard now. It was still an optimistic society, as I recall (I was a teenager during the '70s), and there was a sense that if the truth was told, that good people would be swayed and things would change. Of course, this is still the fact--note George Bush's approval ratings in the toilet, despite complete and total media censorship, covering up, and attack of those who try to tell the truth--but people could not have predicted the backlash and total takeover of all public expression by the corporate oligarchy.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:06 AM
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52. No, but my political awareness began with them
The Black Panther trials in New Haven, CT.

Centered around the shooting/killing of Alex Rackley (sp?) - supposedly an FBI informant, but in reality a set-up by Hoover to arrest/convict Bobby Seale.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:25 PM
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54. Stella Blue, this thread leads me to post this thought- the blatant racism
being expressed and displayed by the GOP right now. They've pretty much kept to speaking in bigot codespeak.

Are they trying to instigate blacks?

Or perhaps the racism always just under the surface can no longer be repressed and held in the dark?

Maybe the images from Katrina have forced reactions out of the bigots?

I wonder. But it feels like American society is getting ready to purge itself of some really sick baggage it's been carrying around in it's stomach for many, many years.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:46 PM
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57. "society is getting ready to purge itself of some really sick baggage"
But hasn't it felt this way before? Several times? And who's in charge now?

I hope we have some moment of action that propels us further toward justice, but I doubt anything REALLY explosive is going to happen.

Watching that PBS program about the sixties last night once again made me proud and amazed - I really, deep down, cannot even believe that happened. Not in the massive way it did. THOUSANDS upon thousands of people just saying 'no' - protesting, dropping out, refusing to play the game. I think too many people now, especially the youth, think the stakes are too high to do anything 'silly' like that... which is a shame.

I never dropped in and don't really intend to.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:59 PM
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61. Well, It Feels To Me As If The NeoCons Are Already Dead
and the only reason they maintain a grip on power is rigor mortis. Their consciousness is still hovering over the body. It's the moment just before the levers are wrested from their cold, dead hands.

Thousands and thousands of people witnessed Katrina's aftermath in NOLA and just said NO, DEAR GOD NO in horror.

We either all evolve spiritually together now. IMO, the violence will come from the hate-filled holdouts. They'll probably act out on their racist, homophobic inner life. And society won't put up with them.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:44 PM
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55. I wasn't but ...
My uncle lived about 1 block from their headquarters in Oakland. He recounted the days when Huey Newton ran down Market street with his machine gun. Not pretty times were those.

:kick:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:49 PM
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59. I was a member
of the Gray Panthers.

http://www.graypanthers.org/
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manic expression Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:18 PM
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62. can you tell me about the Gray Panthers?
(as in: what do they stand for, what kinds of activities they're involved in, how active they are, what you think of them...) I'm pretty interested.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:00 PM
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64. Gray Panthers
I cannot say that I know a whole lot, except a personal experience about 15 years ago... (uh-oh! This could be long!)

I became involved with a large number of Seniors in my community, who were being threatened with dislocation by the Redevelopment Department of my city.

These people had lived in two mobile home parks for 50+ years. They were a community of neighbors who had supported one another through illnesses, deaths and other hardships, and had celebrated happy events with one another.

The parks were established in a day when the location was way out in the 'Boonies', but over the years, development encroached, and they were suddenly sitting on 'valuable' real estate.

The City had a developer who wanted to build a shopping center on the property. The City drooled over the taxes that a shopping center would bring.

The City offered to build a TEMPORARY TWO YEAR park situated in a cemetery (shit you not... where some of the seniors had family members buried). Problem was, NO park in our state would have accepted these old homes after the period. Plus, the location was without public trans, as had been the old parks.

Long story short (?!), we fought City Hall for TWO desperate years... we found the Gray Panthers, who gave us a wonderful, knowledgeable woman who got involved and energetically advised us on many courses of action: How to contact and get politicians on our side, the press, county mental health, our state mobile home association, etc., etc.... help in organizing in an effective way, advice and support.

Bottom line, after two years, WE WON AGAINST CITY HALL!!! They built a new permanent park nearby, on the transit line. We won, but it was at quite a price. Many of the seniors became so stressed over the threat of being displaced, that it took great mental and physical tolls... and some early deaths, I think.

It was such a life and death battle for these seniors to me, that I was treated afterwards for PTSD (but worth it anyway).

The Gray Panthers did immeasurably valuable work for these elders.

The Gray Panthers mainly focus on issues of seniors, but also are involved in liberal and progressive causes and actions. I refer you to their site http://www.graypanthers.org/ . I joined them during that time, but frankly haven't kept up since.

I am forever grateful to Gray Panthers for their dedicated support of these elders in trying to keep their homes and community intact.

(BTW.... had the new "Eminent Domain" ruling been in effect at that time, we could NOT have succeeded in keeping the supportive community intact. They would have been scattered and lost their homes and their independence.)
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:21 PM
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63. I met Bobby Seale last year
He was articulate and interesting. A walking reservoir of history.
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