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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:34 PM
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California so far: 64% of voters voting Republican?
Someone please explain this to me:

Between Arnold and McClintock, they've collected 64% of the vote while Bustamante has 30%?

As of Sept 22, 2003, the California voter breakdown is this:
43.7% Democratic
35.3% Republican

I find it hard to believe so many Dems are voting Republican in this election? Or did they all stay home?

Or were enough of them weeded out through use of Provisional ballots...?
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:37 PM
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1. Gray Was Weak
Polls are reporting 20-25% of Dem's voted for Schwarzenegger. 42% of women. 30% of Hispanics.

People were fed up with Davis.

No cojones. That was Davis' problem. My 11 year old daughter even said he seemed like a Wuss.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:41 PM
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2. If that's so then California deserves a groping, macho, woman....
hating dingbat like Ahhunuld!!!!
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RTC Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:41 PM
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3. The women came out in droves for Arnold
I think the attempted bimbo eruption actually helped him with the ladies.
:grouphug:

Like Davis and the LA Times learned nothing from Fornigate?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:42 PM
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4. I'm amazed that you can
say this with such ease.....Did you talk to your daughter about her opinion? Did you investigate where she may of gained such an inaccurate opinion?
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:25 AM
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8. Wuss Factor
My daughter is an extraordinarily bright 11 year old, who reads like a college student and writes her own movie scripts.

She just remarked that Gray Davis looked like a wuss. He does. She remarked that Schwarzenegger looks dumb. He does.

I trust this kid's instincts. Her reaction is a reflection of what many people think. I might have different reasons for thinking it than she, but she clearly has her reasons.
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missie1956 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:43 PM
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5. I noticed this, too--
Something is seriously wrong here.
:scared:
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:10 AM
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6. i kept hearing...
...about how many voters ended up voting with the Provisional ballots. seemed like many democrats/greens/independents were left off the voter rolls and couldn't vote the normal way...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:22 AM
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7. My name is Cassandra
I'd explain it, but you wouldn't believe me.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:31 AM
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9. i'd believe anything at this point...
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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:38 AM
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10. Oh come on
Don't bait us like that. If you have something to say, please say it. We're all very open-minded here. (Most of us, anyway).
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 06:11 PM
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21. I'll give it a quick shot
First of all there is an important number missing from the voter regestration breakdown: About 15% of California voters are independent (non-partisan; known here as Declined To State or DTS). They are mostly wigglers who vote the person more than the party. Most of them are former Democrats or Republicans who left their major party because it went too far to the left or too far to the right respectively.

Tom McClintock represents the solid core of traditional conservative Republicans who make up something like 15% of the voters. Those folks will vote for the farthest RW conservative in any election no matter who is running. McClintock's perceived honesty, experience, maturity, and demeanor attracted another chunk of voters from the subset of moderate Republicans who cannot stand Arnold Schwarzenegger, and yet another from that floating cloud of DTS voters. I have to admit that even though I am put off by his anti-abortion stance and a few other issues I thought he was the most competetent among the candidates to handle the nuts and bolts of the job. Technically the best but definitely unelectable.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is not considered much of a Republican by most Republicans. He's very centrist and even liberal on many social issues. You will see a lot of posts on DU blasting the idea of someone being a social liberal and fiscal conservative, but the reality is that's how many of us (yes, me too) in California think and vote.

The Democratic leadership in the state legislature abandoned Gray Davis the moment the recall started taking shape, if not before then. They've never been very friendly to him (probably partly his fault) but they handed him a giant stinking turd of a bill called Sanate Bill 60 one month before the election. SB60 is the poorly thought out measure to allow illegal aliens to get driver licenses. Not a bad idea per se, but it's a terrible bill and Davis THOUGHT he faced a loss of support from the public whether he vetoed it or signed it. He reversed his earlier position on the issue and signed SB60 hoping to garner support from the Latino community, which was a terrible miscalculation because Latinos have opinions as diverse as the population at large in this state. Tossing a bone to other brown-skinned Spanish speakers did not ingratiate California's mostly educated, affluent, sophisticated Latino population.

Two or three days after Davis signed SB60 a Field poll revealed that 70% of California voters are opposed to the bill. Poor Gray Davis must have shit a brick when he saw those results.

The Democratic Party again failed to rally behind Davis - Cruz Bustamante (the Lt. Governor) broke ranks and entered the fray as a replacement candidate. But Bustamante's weak attempt to cast himself as a representative of all Latinos because he had worked the fields as a child backfired on him too. And he pissed off the labor unions which were his other great hope. Negative publicity about Cruz's involvement in a student organization called MEChA (look it up) eroded more support from him, and he basically went into free-fall after the Jerry Springer style debate of September 24.

So who's left? A well-known popular actor in a state where acting is one of the most noble professions. An immigrant. A self-made millionaire who doesn't owe anything to anyone (at least not visibly) and is married to a Kennedy descendent.

Californians usually put their diverse self-interests before loyalty to a political party or their race or ethnicity. DTS voters are the fastest growing segment of the electorate because the major parties have been unable to keep up with the ever-widening constellation of values and beliefs and ideals that Californians encompass. To me the key is not as many here suggest for a party to distingush itself by moving farther to an extreme, but by reigning in the degree to which the government fucks around with peoples' personal lives. We want government to keep the schools working and the roads paved. We want leaders who are not beholden to Indian tribes or prison guards or unions or other special interests. We care about our families, our homes, and our futures, not about building some grand progressive society. People in this case chose the devil they didn't know over the devil they knew too well.

That's why almost half of the voters chose Arnold Schwarzenegger, and if history is a guide nobody will believe me even though I'm usually right.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:47 AM
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11. still no report...
...from alameda county.

someone gave a report over on blackboxvoting.com earlier today that the machines weren't working properly and everyone was voting with provisional votes. but other folks said they voted with the diebold machines just fine...
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 12:54 AM
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12. I think I know where the "wusses" are, and they don't include Davis.
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 12:55 AM by burr
They include those that cut and run on election night when the going gets tough!

The state party did little to mobilize or inform its voting base about the recall election, or how it worked. Hence the fact that so many Democrats voted for arnold. Had the state party done its job, or Davis been on the ballot I think we would of won easily.
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 05:39 PM
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13. good gravy....
...looks like the Recall lost 55-45.

Looks like about 61% voted for Republicans for the replacement candidate.

This is unambiguous. It is not a big victory for republicans, since Arnold is not a typical republican. But any day that 61% of californians vote for a republican and 32% vote for a democrat, well, that can't be a good day for dems, either.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 05:44 PM
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15. He also had a couple of Kennedys backing him up
Maria and Eunice, curse their hides. This was not a typical Republican candidate.

Hell, I didn't even like Gray Davis. He was a dud candidate. Bustamonte was viewed (fairly or unfairly) as more of the same.

If the DNC would only get it through their head that they need to put LIKEABLE people up there,...
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HitmanLV Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 06:01 PM
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19. thanks for making sense....
I agree 100%.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 05:41 PM
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14. The problem is:
Arnold brought all of the psycho, illiterate, uneducated, sycophantic idiots out of the woodwork to vote for him.
Why?
Because they think Arnold is a badass, and love his movies.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 05:45 PM
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16. Strikes me as funny
remind me to not ever consider living in California. Or to not support any tourism in California. This is, imo, totaly nuts. California has got to be nuts also. No California wines on my list--I will buy NY wines or French wines. LOL
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 05:51 PM
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17. They put up an unappealing candidate in MD and the same thing
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 05:53 PM by Woodstock
happened.

I wasn't even thrilled with Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and I volunteered for her. I'd far rather have had Mayor O'Malley of Baltimore run against Ehrlich, but the party big wigs didn't think it was "his turn."

The voters were sick of Glendenning (another charm challenged individual, like Davis) and so the DNC puts up a lieutenant governor with a wallflower personality? Passing by a dynamic and charming guy like O'Malley? BRILLIANT.

The same result as California, the Republican won (think Bush Clone with a little more brains and that = Ehrlich, who ran as a moderate and won in a Democratic state, despite his in bed with big business and big tobacco anti-environment record.)

So here's another Democratic state giving up the governorship because of poor strategy from the DNC. When will they learn? In this culture you MUST be in touch with the pulse of the people. If they are sick of someone, give them another clear and compelling choice. It's not enough to be a Democrat as a candidate anymore. THE PEOPLE HAVE TO LIKE YOU.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 06:01 PM
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20. if it's any consolation...most of no. california voted NO on the recall
including somona country, where most of the vineyards are located.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 06:40 PM
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22. So did Los Angeles County
Where Arnold Schwarzenegger lives.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 05:55 PM
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18. A RINO
Bloomberg with pecs and an accent.
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