WOW!! Did Abramoff WHACK His Business Partner (Boulis)????

[Beetwasher]

From TPM:

"Two men, Anthony Ferrari and Anthony Moscatiello, arrested in the gangland killing of erstwhile Abramoff business partner Gus Boulis.

Unmentioned in today's AP story are the quarter million dollars in unexplained payments Abramoff business partner Adam Kidan made to Moscatiello, Ferrari and their family members around the time of Boulis' death.

Kidan earlier explained that the payments were for "catering" and "surveillance"."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

[electropop]

1. This clown's excrement will

be smeared all over Repukes throughout DC, starting with DeLay.

[shilohtd]

2. finally some proof

I mean everybody kinda knew Abramoff whacked him. or at least had him whacked.

[Seen the light]

3. Do you or anybody else know if Ralph Reed had anything to do with this?

[RubyDuby in GA]

7. oh please oh please oh please God please

I can't take this man as my Lt. Gov. I just can't.

[shilohtd]

10. No i don't sorry

Ralph Reed does not ring any bells but i was in touch with the personal protection company boulis thought about hiring 3 days before he was killed by abramoff's goons. They say it was a nice clean gangland style hit and somebody paid a lot of money for it.

another cute little thing i have is this bit sent to me by a guy i know. see if you can point out all the moronics. (there are a lot.)

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>> >> >>
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>> >> >> night.

sorry for the formatting.

[kestrel91316]

13. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay!

[Helga Scow Stern]

16. That is some letter. It points out the ignorant naivete that allows goons

like DeLay and his friends to commit murder, unabashed.

[The Doctor.]

14. It's not proof yet...

Not until Ferrari and Moscatiello roll on Abramoff.

Here's hoping these evil bastards go down hard.

:nuke:

[Beetwasher]

23. Or Abramoff Rolls On Even BIGGER Fish

Etc. etc. and so it goes.

Abramoff might not live to tell his tale, I fear.

[The Doctor.]

37. Oh... he'll probably go in

for a routine check up... and it will reveal a brain tumor which must be operated on IMMEDIATELY. He'll go into surgery that day and wind up having his communication centers removed because of the location of the 'tumor' and he'll never be able to testify.

Deja Vu?

[Eric J in MN]

33. Or it could Adam Kidan

Abramoff's partner who ordered the murder, or both of them or neither.

I'm leaning towards either Kidan or Abramoff ordering the murder, though.

[The Doctor.]

36. Right, but either one will roll on the other...

These types of people are usually cowards. This is the reason they need to accumulate wealth 'by any means possible' and control people around them through 'whatever means necessary'.

It'll work out that both will likely go down hard... and I'll be happy to see it.

Make no mistake, I don't care if you're a Republican, a Democrat, a Libertarian, or whatever... if you're an unethical lying, cheating, greedy scumbag, you deserve to go down hard.

And lately the Republicans have the monopoly on those.

[Kagemusha]

4. Surveillance would imply letting someone know the place & time...

Serious business.

[bahrbearian]

15. Catering would be supplying the means.

[applegrove]

5. Isn't there enough factual stuff out there on A - to go with that? Why

do we have to guess at stuff?

[Beetwasher]

24. Why Not?

Why not speculate? It seems there's enough to do that...Let the prosecutors figure it out, but there's certainly enough to begin speculating from the sidelines, and why the hell shouldn't we?

[applegrove]

27. Because you don't know if there is any truth to that. None at all. If he

had a girlfriend who was curious about that death it would be one thing. But there is no connection. We have no witness.

So just stick with the truth & all that is coming out of the investigation.

Why go looking for fairy-tales.

[Beetwasher]

28. Bullshit

My speculation about this suspicious activity has no relevance to anyone. Why the fuck should you care? It certainly does look like Abramoff and/or his associates funneled lot's of money to people suspected of this guys murder. That's the truth, WTF is YOUR problem w/ that?

[applegrove]

34. Okay - did not know that part. My bad!

[Eric J in MN]

31. I believe there is a connection between the murder and

either Abramoff or Kidan.

I'd say it's extemely likely that either Jack Abramoff or his partner Adam Kidan paid the money to the mobsters to have Gus Boulis killed.

If the mobsters coincidentally decided to kill a man who was owed $23 million to men who paid them, that would be one of the biggest coincidences in history.

Jack Abramoff and his partner Adam Kidan owed $23 million to Gus Boulis, and that Abramoff and Kidan paid mobster Anthony Moscatiello $145,000 (allegedly "for food and beverage consulting and other services").

Timeline:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/01/AR2005050100091.html

[chat_noir]

25. "Vilify! Vilify! Some of it will always stick."

- Pierre de Beaumarchais; The Barber of Seville, 1775

[Eric J in MN]

38. What are you saying? nt

nt

[chat_noir]

26. "Vilify! Vilify! Some of it will always stick."

- Pierre de Beaumarchais; The Barber of Seville, 1775

[calimary]

35. AHA! A great quote! Sounds like something LBJ did when he was

just getting into politics, according to what I've heard about his early days coming out of Texas politics into the national arena. Apparently, his opponent for congress was ahead with the election just a few days away. LBJ, who was a beginner at this, reportedly roared to his underlings about the necessity to accuse the opponent, publicly, of doing something REALLY and OUTLANDISHLY nasty like having sex with a pig. His people told him - this is nuts - nobody will believe it, too out there. LBJ reportedly replied: Do it ANYWAY. Make him deny it.

The point being - you plant the seed. Say it's an icky seed. Plant it anyway. Make the enemy deny it. By doing so, you've cemented it into the buiding blocks of that campaign season. It becomes an issue, true or false. Because it is now OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC ARENA. PERIOD. And for the opponent to have to comment on it one way or another, even the "no comment" or "I refuse to dignify that remark with a comment" - even THAT is still forcing him/her to involve with it, even if it's technically a "near miss." It gets people talking, gossiping, buzz-buzz-buzzing, and then the one being accused is basically sunk. As was LBJ's previously-ahead opponent. From the legend, that's how LBJ won his first election to Washington.

Also, another reason why this is effective is the very airwaves themselves. NEVER underestimate the power of something halfway heard, from someone who wasn't paying attention at first, until some salacious word or phrase or partial word or phrase instantly hooks them. That's why there's so much repetition on the radio, why songs get played again and again and again, sometimes seemingly way too much. That's because programmers have always counted on an automatic tune-in/tune-out factor of people turning on their radios for short periods and then turning them off again. Especially in cars. Short listening periods - about the length of a commute or errand somewhere. It is not at all uncommon, with human behavior being what it is, for someone in one of those short car trip periods to tune in late, or disconnect in the middle of somebody's sentence or word. Many reasons. You got there, parked and turned off the engine without thinking and off goes the radio. Or your kid is next to you or elsewhere in the car where there are other controls, and the station changes 'cause they're really not listening. Or it's AM which fades under bridges and tunnels, so a news break or a vent or call or something might be rendered full of holes. Same thing for TV assuming there are those in the audience who are doing something else while "watching" TV. By the time something hits you and you perk up and say "WHAAA??" it's gone and all you're left with is this quick-hit, drive-by word or image and that's what starts to seep in like fine moisturizer melting into dry skin.

The point is - to GET IT OUT THERE, whatever "it" happens to be. Nancy Reagan once admonished her then-nemesis, then-Chief-of-Staff Donald Regan, that he'd better shape up because "people are talking." THAT is all you need. Certainly didn't help his case - he wound up having to resign. You want people talking. You want it out there where people have heard it or heard about it. 'Cause then they're apt to chit-chat about it with somebody else. And rumors start and so does gossip. And at that point, it's hard to contain. And it's seeping in. It's like "when did you stop beating your wife?" Answer: never beat her! BUT: even so, the thought's been put out there and it'll always be there nagging in the back of the mind somewhere. And that's what you want. That's why it is VERY important to see a public discussion start about bush's likely drinking again. Not only because we want there to be an unignorable groundswell of calls for his impeachment and removal from office, but I'd defy ANYBODY to say they actually did WANT a dry-drunk and cocaine freak with unfinished business issues and potentially serious alcohol-related mental impairments - RUNNING THE COUNTRY, with his finger on "the button." Democrat OR republi-CON OR Republican or anything else.

YOIKS! Sorry this went on so long...

BTW - Welcome to DU!

[SteppingRazor]

6. Maybe, but he'll probably walk...

These guys got arrested just a few weeks after Abramoff got indicted. AND after the grand jury in Broward County asked Abramoff to help clear up the Boulis matter.

Offhand, I'd say Abramoff may have fingered the killers in a deal with prosecution. The timing of the arrest and his indictment is really, really coincidental.

[Beetwasher]

8. Yeah, I Wonder

Abramoff fingers the killers, the killers finger Abramoff and so it goes, round and round...

[SteppingRazor]

9. Deals are for --

1) Those who talk first

2) Those who have better connections.

Abramoff is both of those things. He'll walk, the killers will fry.

[Beetwasher]

30. I Doubt He'll Walk

Or the only walking he'll be doing is in cement shoes off a pier, or the perpwalk.

[bottomofthehill]

11. The good news is

Once you start talking, you usually dont stop. If they gave him any kind of immunity on the murder, he will probably spill his guts on lots of other stuff to keep from going to jail.

It looks bad for the killers but it must also scare the shit out of the entire Abramoff circle of friends.

Abramoff is not a stand up guy and will soon be telling all he knows before anyone else gets the chance.

[bottomofthehill]

12. Hit the send key twice, my mistake

[donkeyotay]

17. You've just gotta laugh at this

Hey Delay, how's that restoring honor and dignity to the WH thing going? Also read the next entry at the TPM link. It's about Abramoff's 2002 run-ins with the law and Ashcroft and Rove.

[Joe Chi Minh]

22. The Reverend Gannon,

Sister Mary, Monsignor O'Reilly, and now Rabbi Abramoff. They must have some very special prayer breakfasts in that Whiter than white House! Awesome! Just awesome!

[Eric J in MN]

32. Who is Sister Mary? (nt)

nt

[AlCzervik]

18. i dont know if you've ever read this article but it's a good primer

it's about 5 pages and worth the print out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/30/AR2005043001147.html

[Stephanie]

19. Can you please explain it slowly for those of us just tuning in now?

Who is Boulis? Why would Abramoff want him whacked?

Too many scandals, too little time!

[Beetwasher]

20. Here's An Article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1809114

Also see the link posted above.

[Stephanie]

21. thanks!

:hi:

[Eric J in MN]

29. Timeline

Jack Abramoff and his partner Adam Kidan owed $23 million to Gus Boulis, and that Abramoff and Kidan paid mobster Anthony Moscatiello $145,000 (allegedly "for food and beverage consulting and other services.)

See this timeline:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/01/AR2005050100091.html