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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:06 AM
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* Supporters have the damnedest excuses for his lies
I had a discussion with a friend tonight and found out he was a * supporter. I about blew a gasket. My family and I had just returned from the protest in Phoenix and I got this call. He called in reference to something else completely but I was telling him about the protest when he told me he supports *. I about fell out of my chair. I thought he was joking. The joke was on me I guess. I tend to get quite passionate about this issue of BushHitler and so my mouth went non stop for a few minutes about the war and no WMD's and kids getting killed etc. etc. He told me he knew there were no WMD's, No ties to 911 and all that. He supported the war because he said "China is getting and taking all the oil and we had to go in there for OIL or China would get it." I wanted to slap him through the FUCKING phone. I asked him if he thought lying to the public and lying to kids willing to die or get maimed for democracy, WMD's and the whole party line Bull Shit story for going in there, was OK with him? Well yes he said it had to be done. Oh My Freakin God I'm Sick.:puke: :wtf: :spank: :grr:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:08 AM
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1. They are like cult-members. They just follow blindly.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:13 AM
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5. Yes, they do
Bushbots.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:09 AM
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2. who the hell was it?
you......PatriotMom......have a freeper friend??
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sorry...:spray:
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:12 AM
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4. Oh shit you will not believe who it was...
Bill, calling me to give me a natural remedy he found in a book. That was nice but I had no idea he was so stupid. Damn
Beyond stupid really, I am all upset.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:15 AM
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7. oh geeeez, I guess we find a new
health guru! Dammit! Well, you win some.....you lose some.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:15 AM
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8. -huh-?
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:17 AM
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11. sorry.....we know eachother LOL
and the idiot in question. Just saying he was great for homeopathic remedies and natural health info........:)
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:23 AM
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14. Yes we do know each other,
He was calling me to give you a remedy he found. Titor is my daughter. We are the "Fascist Fighting Family" in some circles and on some DU threads LOL.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:36 AM
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23. Well, as a fascist-fighting family...
You may henceforth consider yourselves full members of the White Rose Conspiracy.

:yourock:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:10 AM
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3. I am sorry that you had to find out that way
What a buzz kill that must have been. I hope he thinks about what you said and changes his position. I don't expect it to happen, but I hope for that all the same.
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:16 AM
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10. Yeah me too, I like this guy and had a lot of respect for him
But this really hits me hard. And for him to say he knows it was all lies and that is ok. OK what the hell is he talking about. The means justifies the ends is his opinion. WTF
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:14 AM
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6. Where the hell are they getting this shit from?
I heard the China excuse from a Bushbot recently too. Also, "the WMD's are in Syria" is another popular myth of theirs.


(Um, ok them why are we not in SYRIA looking for them?)

These people are BAT-SHIT CRAZY.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:18 AM
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12. WMD's are now in Syria?
Yeah, sure. The last I heard was WMD has been discovered sitting in the oval office.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:30 AM
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16. dubya of Mass Deception
...just thunk that up on my own... or might have seen it somewheres and forgot that I had.... ;)
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:30 AM
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18. I know, that is the lamest argument!
You freepers didn't think even if there were WMDs in Iraq, they wouldn't try to move them? They can all fit in a briefcase (yes, all 10 tons of biological agent LOL) but you didn't think they would move them? Of course they're going to move them! Why the hell didn't we try to monitor this btw?? So now the WMDs could be anywhere? That's awesome! They could be in Syria or Central Park in the man in the fedora hat's briefcase, or in YOUR GARAGE under the oily rags. Oh the horror!
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:16 AM
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9. Depth Psychology Exegesis: "The Bush Cult" and "Bush Supporters Deny"
Two important articles to understand the mentality of Bush supporters:

THE BUSH CULT
by Paul Levy
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/bushcult.html

excerpt:

It is a shattering experience to see through our imaginary projections and recognize that someone we thought was leading and protecting us does not have our best interest at heart. People who support Mr. George Bush resist and turn away from the irrefutable and readily available evidence that Bush is anything but a good leader, as if they are in denial with a capital D. Bush is saying one thing and doing totally the opposite, and many people are simply in denial of this and look away. It is truly as if people who support Bush are not only in denial, but are actually refusing to look and hence, blind to what to most of the world is very obvious. It is as if people who support Bush are under a hypnotic spell, and are suffering from a form of collective brainwashing. People who support Bush in his pathology are exhibiting nothing other than the groupthink of cultic behavior.

Followers of a cult unquestioningly give their power away to their leader’s version of reality. People in a cult have dis-connected from their discerning wisdom, which is the ability to discriminate between the opposites, between truth and lies, between good and evil. In a cult, any sort of reflection of the leader’s unconscious shadow is not only not allowed, but is severely punished. The cult leader is typically insulated from people who disagree with him, not even wanting to come in contact and have any connection with people who have a different point of view. People in a cult exhibit complete and total denial with regard to any evidence that contradicts the agreed upon belief of the cult. This perfectly describes people who are following Bush as their leader. People who follow Bush are completely in denial about his truly criminal behavior.

People who belong to a cult always get hooked through their unconscious fear and blind spot. The cult members’ relationship with each other is based on mutual unconsciousness, as they reciprocally reinforce each other’s denial and illusion. In a cult, there is always some form of mind-control, such as the Bush Administration’s control and manipulation of the media. “Staying on message” is the typical communication style within a cult. The cult leader plays with people’s fears so as to gain their trust and control them, which is a process that is not based on love but on power over others.

There are always aspects of a cult that are kept hidden and secret, which is the mechanism that keeps its hierarchical power in place. In a cult, this inequality of power ensures that a form of abuse always gets unconsciously acted out. In a cult, the members identify with only one side of an inherently two-sided polarity, projecting out the marginalized shadow. Hence, people who disagree with the cult are seen to have fallen under the spell of the Devil. Members of a cult are convinced of the rightness of their point of view, which they consider non-negotiable. Hence, there is no room for the open dialogue and debate which is at the core of a true democracy. Cults will even suppress and distort science to serve their ends, just like the Bush Administration is doing for partisan political ends. And the cult leader is (arche)typically either identified with God or feels he has a special relationship with God. Cult leaders and their followers see themselves as agents of apocalyptic, end-time scenarios, which is one of the more disturbing aspects of Bush and his supporters from the religious right.

full article at above link.

WHY DO BUSH SUPPORTERS DENY THE OBVIOUS?
by Paul Levy
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/bushsupporters.html

excerpt:

To quote Stanley Hilton, Bob Dole’s former chief of staff and a long-time Republican, “George Bush makes Benedict Arnold look like a patriot. He makes Benedict Arnold look like George Washington. I mean that’s what we have- a criminal and traitor sitting in the White House pretending he is a patriot, wrapping himself in the flag.” The evidence of Bush and Company’s corruptness and duplicity is beyond overwhelming, and it is literally everywhere, staring us in the face. Why are so many people looking away and not noticing? I find myself no longer interested in trying to convince anyone of what a madman, criminal and traitor Bush is, though it’s not for lack of trying. What I find more fruitful is to contemplate why people who are supporting Bush are both unwilling and seemingly unable to see the evil that is playing out through him. People who follow Bush are in denial about something that to the overwhelming majority of the world could not be more obvious.

The denial of people who support Bush is a form of blindness. People who support Bush are refusing to look at what is right in front of their eyes, an evil that they themselves are complicit in and participating in by their denial. People who are following Bush are acting out of their unconscious. It is as if they have fallen asleep and are dreaming, entranced by their own projections. It is as if they are bewitched, having fallen under a spell. They are living in what John Kerry calls “a fantasy world of spin,” ignoring and oblivious to any facts that contradict their worldview. It is exactly like they are hypnotized, like they are brainwashed. People who follow Bush are behaving exactly like members of a cult who have blindly and unquestioningly given away their power to their leader. They have left behind their critical thinking, dis-connecting from their capacity to discern truth from fiction. Not to mention selling their soul in the bargain. People who support Bush are suffering from a collective psychosis. Why else would they be supporting a madman for President? It is shattering to look in the mirror and see that we, as a people, have gone temporarily mad.

There is a psychic epidemic manifesting in our country right now, and millions of people in our populace have fallen prey to it. There is no sense pretending otherwise. It is of the most profound importance that we notice and understand the psychological nature of the collective malady that we, as a people, are suffering from. Understanding the psychological nature of our illness gives us insight into how to treat it. By looking away from what Bush is doing and naively supporting him, people are complicit in and feeding Bush’s malignant psychosis. There is something about the depth of depravity, though, that is enacting itself through the Axis of Evil represented by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice, Rove and others that is so dark that it induces in some of us a tendency to pretend that it isn’t really happening. The malevolent energy that is playing itself out through Bush is very hard to look at. People look away, as it is too horrific. The intensity of the evil provokes people to rationalize it, to justify it, to explain it away. It triggers a tendency in people to fall asleep. We like to imagine that people couldn’t be THAT corrupt, THAT two-faced, THAT evil. It is truly shocking to see the depth of depravity a human being can fall into. It is doubly shocking when we realize that these criminally insane individuals control the most powerful nation on earth.

For people who are not seeing the evil of Bush and Co, the great doctor of the soul, psychiatrist C. G. Jung would point out that it is not a matter of preaching the light to them, for they are unable to see, as if they are blind. Rather it is a question of teaching people the art of seeing. In order to teach people how to see the absolute evil that is playing itself out through George Bush and Co, we must come to terms with the darkness inside of ourselves that Bush is a reflection of. This involves seeing the fascist in ourselves. This is where we see our potential for being, unwittingly or otherwise, an instrument of evil ourselves, based on our own capacity for self-deception, our own greed, our own lust for power, our own fear, anger and hatred, our own delusion, ignorance and unconsciousness. For archetypal evil is a power, or a principality that exists within God’s totality, which is to say, ourselves. Archetypal evil is something we are all capable of. It is an awe-full, shocking and humbling experience to look into the dark side of our nature, to see the monstrousness of our totality, to see what we are capable of. In other words, in order to teach people how to see we must be able to see ourselves.

full article at above link.

More articles on The Madness of George Bush at Paul Levy's site, "Awaken in the Dream"

http://www.awakeninthedream.com
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:30 AM
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17. Thank You, I will study this n/t
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:18 AM
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13. well your friend is sick.
global sociopath.
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:30 AM
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15. Oh God I know I know...
And he is such a smart guy when it comes to health remedies. But when it comes to Human Rights he is ignorant. I am so surprised. I really thought he was much more progressive. Oh well. He said he just couldn't bring himself to vote for the other guy cause he wanted to take all guns away and * is a gun advocate. I own guns too, but come on now, I don't give a shit who is in the WH no one will take my right to bear arms away. Especially in this day and age. I don't use my guns to kill innocent people for OIL and I don't use my guns to kill animals either, but if I had to defend my family I would use one. Simple as that. But that does not inspire a vote for *.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:36 AM
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19. Ya know when somebody gives you a REAL stupid answer....
There is nothing you can do. An intellectual Bush person might make the case that the intelligence was wrong but that we should get over it and then try to justify our current presence. This is what I get from my right wing leaning friend who is educated but misguided.

BUT BUT BUT

when you get answer like that. When nobody else has even mentioned China in this debate there is nothing you can do. Its not worth having a discussion with this person because you can not win or even make a point. This persons's whole premise is so off the mark that talking about the subject will get you noplace. Its like saying Aliens were responsible for the invasion. If somebody said that to me the discussion would be over.
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PatriotMom Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:43 AM
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20. I asked him if he had heard an official statement to that effect
Regarding China and Oil, He said no, so I said then this is just your opinion? He said Yes. The discussion was over.........Geeeze, go figure!
These people do not care who is dying, only that their God Damned cars are running down the road at any price per gallon.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 01:45 AM
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21. then when THAT excuse is shown to be a lie
they'll swallow whatever the next lie is that rush tells them and on and on and on

they are mentally ill
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:14 AM
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22. So rather than getting the oil,
they'll just get our outsourced jobs and markers on our debts for the loans we take out to fight the war.

Sounds like a screwball trade to me.

Ignoring the fact if the Repugs weren't so dead-set against SERIOUSLY exploring alternative energy sources and supporting the oil companies and their obscenely high profit margins...

bah...I could carry on in this vein for hours.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:52 AM
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24. people like that in Texas are a dime a dozen
I swear it's a kind of mass psychosis
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