I think that if the SOTU lies die, we are completely screwed

[CatWoman]

Cause I see forces at play right now trying their best to bury this scandal. This scandal is a gift to Bush's detractors.

And there's no sane, logical reason why it should be buried.

If the Democratic leadership fails here, that's it. Games over.

Wer'e toast if they can't capitalize, and I mean throughly capitalize, on this issue.

It's time for them to step up to their responsiblities and take this to the limit.

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[Ponderer]

20. I'm sorry, but a blow job has so much more umph

than some uranium in Niger. Most Murkans would think that's some type of ethnic slur.

[KG]

2. this thing will blow over if

the dems don't rise up as one voice, like the repooks did against clinton, and make call them on thier lies.

not holding my breath on that.

[alaine]

3. Me too, I mean now they will be extra careful.

Plus they'll be shoring up their voter fraud detectability.

I started a thread on Scott McClellan's performance today about how he kept saying "these issues have been addressed", but the thread got no responses. I have to give the press credit, they really did hammer him about it.

[NYC]

4. Go read this. It should cheer you up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=16292&mesg_id=16292&page=

Posted by Nambe:

Core of Weapons Case Crumbling (BBC)

Of the nine main conclusions in the British government document "Iraq's weapons of mass destruction", not one has been shown to be conclusively true.

[PurityOfEssence]

5. It will always be there

Sadly, it's probably only an issue because we weren't able to crush the wogs and steal their oil with out rumpling our uniforms.

He lied. It will continually be repeated, and the only excuses just underline the dastardliness of the whole thing.

The whole premise was that it was an emergency that had to be dealt with right before an election, yet all evidence is pathetically flimsy and all stated with obvious qualifiers to cover their tracks. That's not imminent. No Al-Queda. No Al-Zarkawi to Al-Queda connection. No WMDs. No threat to the U.S. Transparently trumped up charges, which the more they're defended, the more they seem like a tempest in a teapot dome. The act of defending their statements will destroy them, that's why the pressure has to be kept up.

You can't hide by saying "oh, those limey's said..." when your own intelligence service has kicked by similar claims repeatedly, you need to check out the ensuing ones. These were presented with obvious deniability; that just smacks of deception.

The great leap has to be made, and critical mass could be close at hand. I remember Watergate, and once it's repeated enough that Junior's a scurrilous lying fraud mass-murdering thief, enough will stick. Each statement made by this administration will be questioned, and ya know what? They'll also be found to be false. The employment numbers, casualty numbers, costs, business ties and all sorts of other things. With each nit-picky variance--always in their favor--in anything they do will make them them the liars they are in the eyes of the world. Junior's a liar, that's how it all has to boil down, and it will.

Tell everyone you know. Meet people in the grocery store.

[grasswire]

6. Dems are LOUSY strategists

Many of us here at DU could strategize better than those who get paid to do so.

[Pastiche423]

7. If you haven't been listening

to the "Midnight Dems" in the House on C-Span, start listening. It will definitely make you think differently about some of the Dems; what they think and what they are putting on THE record.

The IraqLie is not going away.

[Lostnote03]

18. "Midnight DEMS"

.......excellent characterization!!!....btw this evening two REPs were actually there agreeing with Bernie Sanders regarding the export/import of prescription drugs for the elderly.....maybe just maybe the moderate REPs are getting their act together finally.....if the investigation of the Niger document comes to fruition I believe there may be a possibility of certain Gopers alligning themselves with DEMs regarding impeachment hearings.....Oh Well I can hope...

[BeFree]

8. Junk Politics

That's all it is. Just like Junk science that nobody likes the fumes coming from the WH are Junk Politics.

Everyone knows politicians lie, right? Well we finally get a chance to call one for doing it. Clinton lied and the only solace I got from the consequences was that one of them was brought to his knees for doing so.

To let these lies go unpunished would do a great dis-service to the American dream.

We can't let these politicians get away with their lies. It's that simple.

[Coffee Coyote]

9. no shit!

This is confirming my worst cynical impulses (lol, to say the least, if you took a gander at my little challenge in that other thread).

I want to be wrong so bad I can taste it.

I am sincere when I said I will apologize if I am wrong. I may be egotistical, arrogant, and Satan's brother, but goddamned if I am not a dedicated progressive fighting for the only cause in town.

But the failure won't be the Dems alone. An apathetic, unself-critical American public, with a compliant corporate media will metabolize this with a few extra Rolaids.

My opinion ALL ALONG (for anyone with reading comprehension skills and the ability to listen) is that it will take a cumulative multi-point effort to get his ass.

This one issue can't do it. It has to be a continuous hold to the flame.

Can we do it?

Can any of the Dems?

Is the Teflon vulnerable?

I know this for sure... the toast people are clamoring for won't be served until November of next year at the earliest, and even then I am apprehensive...

[bunnyhop]

10. There's no way the dems can lose on this issue unless they want to

And that may well be what happens. Democrats can be bought with a steak dinner. I well remember a month or two back when both pelosi and daschle said it doesn't matter if WMDs are found or not!!!

[Rose Siding]

11. I agree but there are some perks....

like maybe no war with Syria

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=16120&mesg_id=16120&page=

[regnaD kciN]

12. I don't...

We're not going to come up with a single "silver bullet" that will lead to impeachment in a few weeks. Even if we did, the Republicans have enough of a cushion in Congress that they could lose a significant minority of their bloc, and still kill any impeachment attempt.

The only way to turn Bush out is via the 2004 elections. And a vote to defeat an incumbent is generally based, not on one single issue, but on a steady erosion that strips them of their standing in the public eye. The SOTU scandal is a particularly potent one, since it wipes out Bush's image as the man of "honesty and integrity."

It won't bring Bush down all by itself, but it also won't just go away and be forgotten as long as we (and that's "we" here as opposed to "we" the Democratic Congressional leadership) keep it in play. It will be the first chink in Chimpy's armor...and, the way he's running things, there will be plenty more.

[Cocoa]

16. I agree with all of that

Bush's "straight-talker" persona was a big asset to him, and that's lost now, whatever happens. What's he going to do to rebuild that image, make a whole bunch of true statements?

[yowzayowzayowza]

19. Indeed, the PR damage is done...

as evidenced by his diving approval rating. Anything else is a bonus!

[RichM]

13. I agree. This is like a last gasp - if the system is unable to punish

a crime like this, unable to identify an outrageous lie as a lie, it is a surrender to fantasy as a way of life. It will be a kind of ultimate demonstration that when the United States has to choose between an agreeable lie and an unpleasant truth, it takes the lie.

[Individualist]

14. Hopefully it won't die

However, even if it should, the point has been made loudly and clearly - Bush is a liar. That won't be forgotten. I hope to see the questioning continue with media coverage, and above all I want to see frat boy answering questions, under oath, about why he did nothing to prevent the 9/11 attacks!!

[Star]

15. Walter Pincus will keep this alive

I was feeling depressed tonight after watching Aaron Brown. It looked like the Repukes were going to bury this by demonizing the Dems and making it our problem.

But then, I found this. Front page, Washington Post, Walter Pincus

He's using their own words against them, and that will bring them down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=16265&mesg_id=16265&page=

In recent days, as the Bush administration has defended its assertion in the president's State of the Union address that Iraq had tried to buy African uranium, officials have said it was only one bit of intelligence that indicated former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was reconstituting his nuclear weapons program.

But a review of speeches and reports, plus interviews with present and former administration officials and intelligence analysts, suggests that between Oct. 7, when President Bush made a speech laying out the case for military action against Hussein, and Jan. 28, when he gave his State of the Union address, almost all the other evidence had either been undercut or disproved by U.N. inspectors in Iraq.

[Gringo]

17. It could go either way, but

I wouldn't be srprised if, over the coming months, we start seeing "new breaking stories" about the same old crap WE'VE KNOWN FOR YEARS"

They'll have stories like "BUSH, BIN LADEN FINANCIAL TIES BOMBSHELL" or "EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO UN WAS PLAGIARIZED STUDENT PAPER", maybe "BUSH NEGLIGENCE, WILLFUL OR OTHERWISE, ALLOWED 9-11 TO HAPPEN"

I'm trying to opt to be optimistic, that Bush's failures in every arena will embolden the press to publish all these stories.

Why not, considering the fact that we all knew that the Niger story was fake MONTHS AGO.

[berry]

21. I think it may take time, and a few tag-team intervals with our

counterparts in the UK, but I am fairly optimistic.

There are a number of events coming up that will be awkward for Bushco*
1) Blair's visit this week
2) the demand that Cheney release the energy papers (judge ordered) in the next 2 weeks, I think (from Klayman on NOW last week)
3) I think there's going to be an interim report, or another hearing of the 9-11 Commission (?) soon
4) Maybe more whistle-blower-types coming out. (The more who stand up to testify, the safer the next ones will feel--VIPS is unlikely to quit now, and they surely have good contacts in the intelligence community who can help to broaden the story from the Niger tale to the full panoply of lies.)
5) ??

It will take a while to get to Bush*, but I think Cheney has been targeted and may go down soon. Cheney's name has been coming up far too often for this not to have some impact (I hope!) This will NOT make Bush* look good, no matter how they spin it.