OHIO pastors pledge to keep state red

[DanCa]

Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:03:29 -0000
From: "Stephen Meyer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pastors pledge political unity on social front -CINCINNATI
ENQUIRER

Sunday, September 4, 2005
Pastors pledge political unity on social front

By Jon Craig Enquirer staff writer
CINCINNATI ENQUIRER


COLUMBUS - Christian pastors made it clear here last week that Ohio
will remain a pivotal political battleground to advance their
opposition to abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, pornography,
strip clubs, gambling and "activist" judges.

It was no coincidence Ohio was ground zero in the 2004 presidential
election, said the Rev. Rod Parsley, founder of the Center for Moral
Clarity. Parsley spoke during a breakfast meeting at World Harvest
Church.He encouraged fellow pastors to circulate petitions calling for fair and swift confirmation hearings for U.S. Supreme Court nominee John Roberts. He also asked church leaders to help register 400,000 new Ohio voters as part of the Reformation Ohio project. His group has goals parallel to the Ohio Restoration Project, led by Rev. Russell Johnson of Lancaster.

Repeating his opposition to same-sex marriage, Parsley stressed the
need to protect traditional marriage between a man and a woman. "I
will sound the alarm about tortured and angry homosexuals,'' he
said, drawing standing ovations from an audience of more than 1,300.
Quoting from his best-selling book, "Silent No More,'' Parsley also
expressed concern about the world's growing Muslim population: "I
will rail against the idea that the God of Christianity and the god
of Islam are the same being.''

Keynote speaker Zell Miller, a former Georgia governor and
Democratic U.S. Senator, endorsed Secretary of State Ken Blackwell,
a candidate for Ohio governor, who sat in the front row. "You are
the kind of leader this state, any state, needs,'' he said, offering
to hand out campaign leaflets "on the corner in Portsmouth'' if
asked.

[back2basics909]

1. PNAC, Advocacy and zero tax...

... why can a church be an advocacy group and still stay zero tax rated? Is that legal?

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. Of course it is

in Bushamerica.

[Danmel]

13. Moral Clarity?

What exactly is the moral clarity in allowing people to die because they can't afford a car? what is the moral clarity in starting a war based om outright lies? What is the moral clarity in creating an economy where more and more children are plunged into poverty and fewer people have access to medical care while the rich get richer by the minute?

Help me out here- this Jew just doesn't get it, Rod.

[Sarojin]

28. The IRS investigated the NAACP though

so clearly it's not a racial or religious issue.

[okieinpain]

2. if they want to play with fire. then they should become a target of

dems.

[ck4829]

3. I am not going to let MY State be controlled by these Terrorists

:grr:

[Zynx]

4. "I will rail against the idea that the God of Christianity and the god of

Islam are the same being."

Hmmm....The God of Abraham is Yaweh and by extension is the God of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. This guy really needs and education.

[DanCa]

11. Please let us not confuse the sick red thing the gop worships with Christ

The red god just wants to dominate and control, the blue god is his opposite. :)

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Yep

So true. Even I as a Christian know this (about the same God).

[LynneSin]

5. Your chuch wants to get political: REMOVE THEIR TAX-FREE STATUS

These are churches not political bully pulpits. If pastors want to get political (and that's for both sides) then take away their tax-free status.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. Christ had something to say about that

"My fathers house shall be a house of prayer but you have turned it into a den of thieves."

[mtnester]

7. Won't happen Rodney

get over it

[never_get_over_it]

8. How they going to keep it red

by rigging the voting machines

[Ladyhawk]

51. Didn't they already do that?

:shrug:

I'm not completely convinced of election fraud, but I wouldn't exactly be surprised if weed's cronies set it up for him.

[Totally Committed]

9. So much for the Seperation of Church and State...

This is a perfect example of why it is so needed.

One a personal note: Zell Miller needs to kicked out of this Party once and for all. He no longer reflects the values of this Party, and therefore, his jettisoning will be a powerful message to all DINOs, all who have supported him (Carville and Begala, eminently... thanks for getting this asshole elected, guys. It proves you will do anything for a buck!), and all Americans that this disgusting Bozo no longer speaks as a Democrat. He is beyond an embarrassment at this point, he is a DISGRACE!

TC

[zbdent]

10. If these pastors really wanted to protect the "sanctity of marriage"

They'd put up a greater fight against DIVORCE . . .

Edited to add:
You know, this would really make a great bumper sticker (in Ohio):

"Heterosexual DIVORCE is a greater threat to marriage than a Homosexual MARRIAGE!"

[buff2]

12. Rod Parsley is one of the most EVIL and conniving phony

Greedy hypocrites on the face of the earth. A few years back he was on a plane with his dad and they both got into a fist fight with another passenger. It was front page news. But what does "pastor" Rod do? He goes on to bilk his congregation out of millions of dollars...building a huge church and gave himself the finest lifestyle money can buy. He is worth MILLIONS and it all came from donations put into the collection plate. He is nothing but a bum who never worked,except for stealing from the poor,rich, and ignorant people who believed they were doing the right thing in putting in their money to the church. Anyone who supports bu$h and his gang of thugs,can't be honest and decent people. They are ALL in it for the money....and to make sure other peoples beliefs which are different from theirs are snuffed out.We live in an evil society today ran by rightwingnuts who use Jesus and God as an excuse to do their dirty deeds. It's pathetic.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. Of course

There is something in it for him. He's probably hoping to get a job at Halliburton where he can make tons of cash or some organization similiar to it.

[theHandpuppet]

14. Here's the website of the "Ohio Restoration Project"

This is the group that plans to take over Ohio politics with RW, homophobic, Islamophobic, fundamentalist lunatics: http://www.ohiorestorationproject.com/

They are powerful and they are funded. Opposition to these Christofascists must be a priority!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

15. They all have to have their tax exempt status taken away. nt

[Missy M]

16. It amazes me how filled with hate these people are......

it seems to me that to be a 'good' christian in this country you must be filled with hate for other life styles or religions.

[progressivebydesign]

17. Concern about growing Muslim population???

Geez. These people hate EVERYONE! And.. a whopping audience of 1,300, with Zell "straight from Hell" Miller. Must've been a real knee-slapper.

[ck4829]

18. Another reason why I am starting to not like these people

Aside from the fact that I myself am a Muslim.

My girlfriend is also a Muslim.

I also have several Muslim friends. If you think the Muslims I know are 'out to get you', then you need to check into a mental hospital.

[DanCa]

19. Muslim's are Cool

Ali is a Muslim and he's the coolest without a doubt
If he ever gets the chance I hope he knocks Jr. Out.

[Renew Deal]

20. Their parishioners love pornography as much as anyone.

Who are they kidding?

[DanCa]

21. What was that jung said about what upsets us most in others is a

a reflection in ourselves. I think Karl and and Sigmund would have a field day with these people. And I use that term loosely.

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. Betcha the DIEBOLD guys go to their churches

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[PowerToThePeople]

23. Ohio better be revoking those fuckers tax-exempt status..

[darkism]

24. Ohio is actually blue and everyone knows it.

Duck Fiebold.

[Sarojin]

29. And New Mexico and Nevada n/t

[theHandpuppet]

39. That doesn't explain their Repuke Governor and Senators, though

So I'm withholding my opinion until the mid-terms.

[brettdale]

25. Too Bad Ohio Pastors

Don't rally against War.
Don't rally against Poverty.
Don't rally against Corruption
Don't rally against sexual abuse in the church.
Don't rally against Racists.
Don't rally against lowering the Minimum wage.
Don't rally against Health Care Cuts.
Don't rally against Education cuts.

I guess thats not important to them, they are more worried about Janet Jackson's titty or a man sucking on another mans dick.

[norml]

26. Once again, The "Conservative" Sermon on the Mount

Blessed are the rich for all good things trickle down from them. Cursed are the poor for poverty results from their moral failings.

Blessed are the war makers for they keep freedom on the march. Cursed are the peacemakers for they shall be called appeasers.

Blessed are those who inflict harsh punishments for they maintain law and order. Cursed are those who forgive for they shall be called soft on crime.

Blessed are those who pray loudly standing in the churches and on the corners sounding the trumpet before them. Cursed are those who shut the closet door and pray in secret for their prayers are not heard.

Blessed are those who cast the first stone for the sake of sexual morality for that is the only morality that matters. Cursed are those who see sexuality as a private matter for marriage must be defended against them.

[theHandpuppet]

33. A nice turn on the Sermon on the Mount, except...

The only "sexual morality" Jesus made reference to was to adultery among heterosexuals. As far as I know Jesus never made any remark regarding gays.

[lizziegrace]

27. Embarassed

As someone who's from central Ohio and attends church semi-regularly, I would like to say that Rod Parsley does NOT represent the views of most pastors or church-goers in Ohio. Our church houses homeless families as we are part of a network here in the city. We do more community service than most because it's the right thing to do.

I'm embarassed by Rod Parsley. He's building a self-contained compound southeast of the city and even has his own college on the grounds. A friend attended a service there once and they are "locked in" and he was not allowed to leave.

The man is truly frightening.

[belle]

42. sounds like a true cult.

[PassingFair]

45. Are church-goers in the neighborhood making it a habit

of directly speaking out against the movement?

[newyawker99]

54. Hi lizziegrace!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[lizziegrace]

59. Newyawker99

Thank you thank you! Happy to be here.


I just got called to help out with Strickland's campaign for governor here in Columbus. Can't wait! B-)

[MiniMe]

30. Take away their tax exempt status

Part of the 501c3 tax code, which is what churches are, says that they can't do that or they will lose their tax exemption. I seem to remember that the IRS threatened to take away the NAACP's tax exempt statue just before the 2004 election.

Hmmmm, can you say double standard??

[depakid]

41. There's no reason why they should be allowed to keep it

the law's pretty clear on that point.

[FreedomAngel82]

31. What in the world

with this "silence no more"? :eyes:

[ComerPerro]

35. Republicans oppose none of those things

Christian pastors made it clear here last week that Ohio
will remain a pivotal political battleground to advance their
opposition to abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, pornography,
strip clubs, gambling and "activist" judges.


I would imagine that most Republicans would support abortion if their daughter got pregnant at a young age or was raped. They just don't think other people should get abortions. Its the hypocrisy.

They won't oppose stem-cell research once they find out how much potential for money there could be for people who invest in the research, and how much pharmaceutical companies could make from drugs developed through stem-cell research.

Republicans have no objections to pornography, strip clubs, or sexual debauchery. Hell, one conservative admitted to bestiality on Alan Colmes' show, and treated it as though it were a common practice in red areas, by "true Americans".

Republicans don't fret much about gambling. I've seen plenty of Bush loyalists in casinos. They don't seem at all ashamed to be gambling and sinning and drinking.

And, they certainly don't have a problem with "activist judges". In fact, they have made it very clear that they want judges who will interpret the law using the Bible first and the Constitution second, judges who will bring their own religious views into their decisions on the bench, and ones who will rewrite laws until the country becomes a Theocracy.


And, BTW, he is correct when he says "It was no coincidence that Ohio was ground zero for the 2004 Presidential Election".

But its not for any of the reasons he cites. Its because of the massive amounts of voter suppression and fraud practiced by the GOP in a state where, surprise surprise, the person in charge of counting the votes also happens to be an avid Bush supporter.

[Vickers]

36. "Keynote speaker Zell Miller" Well, THAT speaks volumes...

:eyes:

[Zynx]

37. Zell "Spitball" Miller

What a fucking douche.

[leesa]

40. Someone needs to take a close look at the financing of those churches

And the taxing of those churches.

[enki23]

43. "believe" is the most abhorrent word in the english language

and i am sick unto death of believers.

[TimeChaser]

44. Seeing as I now live in Columbus

It sounds like this would make a very nice LTTE. What are some good non-right wing local newspapers to write to? These assholes don't deserve tax-exempt status.

[LittleClarkie]

46. People are dying left and right

but what really matters is if two guys kiss.

O-B-K-B.

So glad my church isn't like that.

[Coventina]

47. REVOKE THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS!!!

:mad:

[kbm8795]

48. Yawn.

The smartest thing the Democrats should do is link their little selves in with the coingate scandal. That would take care of their fake morality real fast.

[Hippo_Tron]

49. No thanks Zell, Governor Strickland sounds good to me

While we're at it, Senator Hackett sounds pretty good too.

[bluedawg12]

50. Like the Reichstag rallys in the 1930's/ puke n/t

[Nikki Stone 1]

52. Hurricanes don't hit full force in Ohio

So I guess these pastors aren't worried about any of God's little punishments coming their way.

[Lorien]

55. Ohio doesn't get hurricanes, but they do get tornadoes, floods, and

killer ice storms.

[Erika]

53. Wonder how much they gave to Katrina's victims?

That part of Christianity doesn't seem important to them. They want that political and theocratic power. Interesting. Some of you might challenge them.

[bleedingheart]

56. and the GOP vows to keep them unemployed...cuz poverty

makes you feel closer to God...and heaven seems like a good idea after living below the poverty line for most of your life..

[Neecy]

57. It's time to start pushing back

These bastards think they have uncontrolled power not only over the lives of their congregants but over OUR lives. And they do, thanks to their control of the Rethugs.

Time to start putting the heat on these smug dickheads with some organized protest actions calling them out on their hypocrisy. They're far too comfortable - that needs to change.

[Blue_Roses]

58. why is Zell Miller still a Dem?

I just don't get this man. He is such a nut!:crazy: