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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:26 AM
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Oklahoma evacuee facility turned into FEMA Detainment Camp
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 10:11 AM by WestHoustonDem
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html - with photos referenced here

I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp

I'm extremely depressed to report that things seem to only be getting sadder concerning the people so devastatingly affected by Katrina last week. Two car loads of us headed over to Falls Creek, a youth camp for Southern Baptist churches in Oklahoma that agreed to have its facilities used to house Louisiana refugees. I'm afraid the camp is not going to be used as the kind people of the churches who own the cabins believe it was going to be used.

Jesse Jackson was right when he said "refugees" was not the appropriate word for the poor souls dislocated due to Katrina. But he was wrong about why it is not appropriate. It's not appropriate because they are detainees, not refugees.

Falls Creek is like a small town that is closed down about 9 months out of the year. It is made up of cabins that range from small and humble to large and grandiose, according to how much money the church who owns the cabin has. Each cabin has full kitchen facilities, bathrooms and usually have two large bunkrooms - one for women and one for men. The occupancy of the cabins varies according to the church. This past week the Southern Baptist association of Oklahoma offered the facility as a place to house refugees from the Katrina disaster. Each church owning a cabin was then called to find out if they would make their cabin available. Churches across the state agreed.

I started my journey by loading six large trash bags full of clothes in the back of my beetle buggy. I then went to the local Dollar General and purchased various hygiene products, snacks and even a set of dominoes and a deck of cards. I had my daughter take her own shopping cart and go and select her own items that she wanted to take. I told her to imagine herself without anything in the world and then select what she would need to live every day.

We then met up with my elderly parents who had gone to the Dollar Store themselves, and to the grocery store and had spent WAY too much of their limited social security on the venture. But that's okay. We ended up having to take both vehicles on the 150 mile round trip because they were both pretty full. My son showed up and wanted to go. He drove my parents while my daughter and I rode in my car.

To say we all left with excitement would be appropriate. My 78 year old mother is a "fixer". She loves to help people and she absolutely needs some one to dote over. That she was about to be able to help some people who had lost all in their lives had her feeling physically healthier than I've seen her in days. I was glad to get the chance to actively do something other than donate what little I can to some faceless charity hoping it would get to the people who needed it. I felt glad I could do some small something that might cut through the helplessness I've felt over this situation. Both of my kids were eager to assist.

The only odd thing that occurred prior to setting off happened while I was gassing up in our small town. My daughter was pumping the gas and a lady she knew pulled up to an adjacent pump. My daughter started telling her where we were going and that we were taking things to the refugees. The lady told my daughter that she had been told the Red Cross was not allowing any one to deliver supplies. When I returned to the car from paying for the gas my daughter informed of this. I told her that the Red Cross would not be preventing the members of our church from entering our own cabin, so it really didn't matter. It was at that point we decided to stop back by the house and get my daughter's camera so that she could take pictures if required.

From the moment I heard about Falls Creek being scheduled to receive refugees I had two thoughts run through my mind:

1. What a beautiful place to be able to stay while trying to get your life back in order.

2. What a terrible location to be when you're trying to get your life back in order.

The first thought is because Falls Creek is nestled in the Arbuckle Mountains of south central Oklahoma. One of the more beautiful regions of the state. It would be a peaceful and beautiful place to try to start mending emotionally, and begin to figure what you're going to do next.

The second thought comes because Falls Creek is very secluded and absolutely no where near a population center. The closest route from Falls Creek to a connecting road is three miles on a winding narrow road called "High Road" (It gets that name for two reasons - it's goes over the mountain instead of around it like "Low Road" does, and it's where the teenagers of the area go to party). The road has not a single home on it for over 3 miles. After battling that 3 miles over mountains, you'll find yourself about 5 miles from the nearest town, Davis, Oklahoma, population ca. 2000. This is no place to start a new life.

A few pictures headed toward Falls Creek over High Road to give you a feel of the seclusion.










All of sudden the landscape changed from picturesque mountainous rural America, to something foreign to me as we approached the rear gate of the camp. Two Oklahoma State Patrol vehicles and four Oklahoma Troopers guarded the gate. We started through and they stopped us.

"Can I help you, ma'am?"

I informed him we're here to deliver supplies to *our church's name* cabin. He stood silent and stared at me. My daughter turned and snapped a picture of his vehicle - very conspicuously.



I smiled at him and he asked, "Do you know where that cabin is located?"

I informed him I did. He looked at me a bit longer and then said, "Ok" and stepped away from the car. They stopped my parents' vehicle as well, but I assume my son informed them he was with us. They let them pass.



We made our way through the narrow streets toward our church's cabin.



We noticed that the various church cabins had numbered placards on them that normally weren't there.



We arrived at our cabin and started toting the clothes in. We finally found a group of men upstairs in the dorms trying to do something alien to them - make beds. They had almost completed the room of bunk beds and told us we could go over to the ladies' dorm room and start on it. We lugged our sacks of clothes back down the stairs. Then we got the first negative message. "You can't bring any clothes in. FEMA has stated they will accept no more clothes. They've had 30 people sorting clothes for days. They don't want anymore." My mind couldn't help but go back over the news articles that have accused FEMA of refusing water in to Jefferson Parrish, or turning fuel away.

We lugged the bags of clothes back to the car. We then turned to bringing in our personal hygiene products. That's when we learned our cabin had been designated a "male only" cabin. Approximately 40 men, ranging from age 13 on up would be housed there. We started resacking the female products and sorted out everything that would be useful for men.

We lugged the bags of female products back to the car. We asked if they knew of a cabin that had been designated for women. The "host" (the hosts are Oklahoma civilians who have been employeed??? by FEMA to reside at each cabin and have already gone through at least one "orientation" meeting conducted by FEMA at "BASE" which is some unknown but repetitively referred location within the camp) told us he believed McAlester cabin was dedicated to females. He then explained there were male, female and family cabins designated.

We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen.

Excuse me? I asked incredulously.

FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...

it could cause a riot.

It gets worse.

He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."

My mother then asked if the churches would be allowed to come to their cabin and conduct services if the occupants wanted to attend. The response was "No ma'am. You don't understand. Your church no longer owns this building. This building is now owned by FEMA and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. They have it for the next 5 months." This scares my mother who asks "Do you mean they have leased it?" The man replies, "Yes, ma'am...lock, stock and barrel. They have taken over everything that pertains to this facility for the next 5 months."

We then lug all food products requiring cooking back to the car. We start unloading our snacks. Mom appeared to have cornered the market in five counties on pop-tarts and apparently that was an acceptable snack so the guy started shoving them under the counter. He said these would be good to tied people over in between their two meals a day. But he tells my mother she must take all the breakfast cereal back. My mother protests that cereal requires no cooking. "There will be no milk, ma'am." My mother points to the huge industrial double-wide refrigerator the church had just purchased in the past year. "Ma'am, you don't understand...

It could cause a riot."

He then points to the vegetables and fruit. "You'll have to take that back as well. It looks like you've got about 10 apples there. I'm about to bring in 40 men. What would we do then?"

My mother, in her sweet, soft voice says, "Quarter them?"

"No ma'am. FEMA said no...

It could cause a riot. You don't understand the type of people that are about to come here...."

I turn and walk out of the room...lugging all the healthy stuff back to the car. My son later tells me the man went on to say "We've already been told of teenage girls delivering fetuses on buses." My son steps toward him and says "That's because they've almost been starved to death, haven't had a decent place to get a good night's sleep, and their bodies can't keep a baby alive. I'm not sure that's any evidence some one should be using to show these are 'bad people'."

We then went to the second dorm room and made up beds. When we got through and were headed outside the host says to me and my daughter, "How did you get in here?" I told him we came in through the back gate. He replies, "No, HOW did you get in here? No one who doesn't have credentials showing is supposed to be in here." (I had noticed all the "hosts" had two or three badges hanging around their necks.) I told him it might have had something to do with the fact my daughter was snapping pictures of the OHP presence at the gate. He then tells us, "Well, starting in the morning NO ONE comes in. So if you have further goods you want to donate you will have to take them to your local church. They will collect them until they have a full load and then bring them to the front gate."

Me and my two kids then walked over the hill to the camp's amphitheater.

First - just another OHP car...



The amphitheater is full of clothes (but I'm not sure I'm seeing enough for 5000 people for 5 months).





But there was more...an Oklahoma Department of Safety truck and a military vehicle...



and a cell phone tower (which fretling didn't get a pic of...grrr). Falls Creek, because it sits in a "bowl" surrounded by mountains, is notorious for no cell phone coverage.

There were buses coming in the front gate at about a rate of 1 every 2 or 3 minutes. We could hear them below us as we walked back up the hill. We could also see their white tops through the trees. We figured these were busloads of refugees arriving, but we never saw these buses in the camps, nor were any refugees visible at the camp while we were there.

We then loaded back into our vehicles and headed toward the cabin we had been told was for women so that we could off-load our appropriate products. When we arrived there was no one in the cabin so we preceded to unload our vehicles and take the merchandise in to the cabin. A horde of "hosts" who had been hovering at a nearby cabin head toward us.

"Can we help you?"

I explained to them what we were doing.

"Uhh... you can't just leave donated goods in the cabins. FEMA has stated they want all supplies to go to their central warehouse. They said they have had far too many supplies come in and they need to handle them. You can't leave ANY clothes."

I just stared at them.

One chubby-checker, after several moments of pregnant pause broken only by the sound of my 82 year old dad continuing to shuffle boxes out of the back of his car (GO DAD!), says "I'll call "BASE" and confirm what should happen here."

I continue to stare.

He pounds out the number on his cell phone and when some one picks up he chickens out and just asks "I need to verify that cabin 11 is a female only facility." When he hangs up he says that it is and I respond, "Well, good, we'll get on with this then." It's at that point my son pulls me aside and says, "Every damned one of them have the same phone. That's what the comm tower is for at the amphitheater. Now we know how FEMA runs through billions, they've given every one of these people a Cingular phone when walkie-talkies would have worked just fine."

We off-load our goods into the McAlester cabin. Fretling takes pics of the buckets of toys that have been donated by citizens for the kiddos coming this way.





And a dorm room:




We then start out of the camp. I tell my daughter I want to go out the main gate this time. Here is what we saw on the way out:

Just another OHP car...



This cabin was apparently commandeered by a group of people in navy blue jumpsuits with insignias all over them. You can see them in the left side of this pic. But they were standing all over the place on both sides of the narrow street.



This is just one OHP car in a long line of them parked along the side of the street.



Three firetrucks parked along the river.



Talk about a surreal moment...troops (unknown if Regular or National Guard) have taken up residency in the Durant First Baptist Church cabin very near the main gate of the camp.







Two things to point out in the pictures above...we passed a row of about 6 or 8 ambulances parked in the street just in front of the troop cabin, and the large tent on the top of the hill...we have no idea what that is for.

Main gate completely blocked by OHP vehicles as we approach:



More OHP vehicles parked at the rear gate as we pass by:



Now I'm starting to understand why it doesn't matter that this location is not conducive to starting a new life.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:32 AM
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1. Why do we have concentration camps in the USA? I can't believe
we are doing this AGAIN. We have a terrible history of corraling victims in a small area. Why do we never leave this heinous behavior behind? :cry:

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Citizen Jane Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:33 AM
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2. Thank you for posting this
I am appalled at the lack of compassionate thinking involved in these operations. Makes me want to vomit.

Recommended.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:39 AM
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3. Whoa
Very, very disturbing scenario. I am not an expert in emergency services, but if you'd asked me.. where might be the WORST place to relocate a large number of evacuees from the hot and humid gulf coast I just might have picked a bunch of cabins in Oklahoma. Obviously these folks are well intentioned but they are scared to death and way over reacting, forgetting these are citizens and not inmates.

This needs to be investigated and publicized.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:59 AM
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6. Yes, it should be publicized
and investigated.

If this weren't so frightening it would be very sad. 5 months? why would they need to stay there 5 months???? I hope the people that want to leave can, even if it does mean they wouldn't be able to come back. Doubtful many would want to.

Wow 10 apples for 40 men. The men might riot if they don't get an apple????

I am speachless.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:43 AM
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4. I don't know what to say or even how to feel about this.
I went to the link and read it there. Perhaps they have a point about equal treatment for all of the cabins with no disparities in treatment.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:05 AM
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7. I see your point
because I am a teacher and this is how we handle children. Maybe it is just me.. I have never been in this situation. Grown men rioting over apples? Now, don't get me wrong I know that starving and thirsting humans will riot. But these folks are having their basic needs met. I think they are not giving these men the benefit of the doubt here. They aren't six year olds.

If this is truly the case.. if they are correct that these people are that limited in their impulse control, then we have one heck of a problem that has nothing to do with the hurricane.

But I kind of don't think so...

But if you expect the worst you usually get it.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 09:54 AM
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5. The good news: they have yet to utilize this facility n/t
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:07 AM
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8. if these were white suburbanites, would they be so afraid of riots?
ignorance and fear always seem to go hand in hand, don't they.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:07 AM
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:23 AM
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10. That's making me wonder what's going on here.
I've seen the evacuees at our National Guard Base here, and I know they're letting them talk to our local paper (story after story every day so far), and I know where they're taking donated items for sorting.

If that kind of crap is happening here, God help them because we'll have our own riot on the outside. We won't put up with that--they're our brothers and sisters, not lesser beings who have to be detained.

I'm going to look into this.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:06 PM
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13. From our local paper today
I've been talking to involved locals, so this seems pretty true.

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050911/NEWS01/509110321/1002

This article is about volunteers coming into the base and helping people. While they're not letting just anyone and everyone in, they are letting volunteers and the media in.

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050911/NEWS01/509110323/1002

This article is even clearer about conditions on the base, and it seems not too bad.

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050911/NEWS01/509110323/1002

This article is about how a local church hosted some of the evacuees for an evening of food and fellowship. So, they are being allowed off the base here.
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:11 AM
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11. This was blown out of the water yesterday.
Edited on Sun Sep-11-05 11:14 AM by Wilber_Stool
I read something about this morning. That camp is not being used for anything right now. I'll try to find the link.

Here tizz:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4729692
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 12:02 PM
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12. while it's interesting that a Baptist group claims the camp isn't
being used -- i don't know if that rises to "blown out of the water."
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 02:25 PM
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14. OK SoBapt Conv runs the camp...the webpage links to news articles
read the link to the DU thread (my post) and the answer by OKNancy to my question about this camp in the OK state forum..she speaks about her own experience with evacuee camps in OK

I agree that bushco wants to hide everything.....I don't remember whether this post in the Original Message ever said what SoBapt church the group were members of

....the best way to check would be to get some members of churches near Falls Creek to go and check on the status of their churches' cabins (each SoBapt church in OK that wanted to built its own cabin; that's why there's a great deal of difference in accommodations....at least that's what I learned when I spent a week there in 1955 as a teen-ager from my church)

....it would be great if we could get some 'reliable' OK SoBapt with clout to investigate what's going on.....I have no idea how to do this since I long ago left the denomination; no one in the OK state forum replied to my request for people with OK SoBapt contacts
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 10:22 PM
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15. Unfortunately, probably 99% of the Baptists here are Repub drones.
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clichemoth Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-11-05 11:08 PM
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16. I don't see where any refugees were actually there.
Only cops were there, which places the two accounts in agreement. Just a thought that may be covered in Reynolds Wrap: What if it's not Katrina evacuees they're setting Falls Creek up for? Maybe the OHP doesn't know this (actually, I'm sure nobody would tell them), but FEMA would.

There's no logic behind shipping loads of people from an urban area to a place as close to the middle of nowhere as one can possibly get, especially not now when the dispersal of evacuees has already begun to flow. There's also no logic in borrowing the place for 5 months. However, if Bushco hits the trifecta with another disaster guaranteed not to go beyond their control, Falls Creek may prove very useful.

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:58 AM
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17. I've been on this story for days now. Conyers knows about Falls Creek.
Edited on Mon Sep-12-05 04:03 AM by fooj
I made sure of that. I even received a phone call on Friday morning to confirm. I trust that Conyer's will know exactly how to handle this.

I believe that it is our responsibility as members of humanity
to walk these Americans out of the darkness. I will not look
away. I will not be indifferent to this grave injustice. I
am willing to give everything I have to help our brothers
and sisters find their way home.



Governor Asks Falls Creek to Remain on Standby for at Least 5 More Days

September 8, 2005 1:21 PM
by Ray Sanders

Governor Asks Falls Creek to Remain on Standby for at Least 5 More Days

Oklahoma City, OK -- September 8, 2005 – Unfortunately, there have been some reports in the media and otherwise that relief efforts at Falls Creek have stopped. THIS IS NOT TRUE.

Falls Creek remains on standby, at the request of the Governor, for at least another 5 days. (Until at least Tuesday, September 13)


Peace.

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