Why comparing California to Florida is apples to oranges

[ButterflyBlood]

no pun intended.

-Florida was a pure toss up state, California is not.
-Florida also had Republican office holders from almost every office..including Secretary of State. California has Democrats in every office.
-Florida had a Republican legislature that threatened to vote to give the electoral votes to Bush if Gore had won the recount. California has a Democratic legislature.
-Something like 70k voters were disenfrinchesed in Florida. However, Gore won California by almost 1.3 million votes. Not quite as easy.
-Bush might not even be on the ballot in California anyway.

[AP]

1. Florida, however, should definitely be voting Dem, with so many

immigrants, poor, and senior citizens.

FL is a lesson in how a rich, powerful, minority can turn the mood against Democrats even if demographics suggest the state should be totally Democratic.

And that's how CA could be like FL.

[ButterflyBlood]

2. so in 3 years, Arnold will completely turn the state around?

n/t

[AP]

3. That's why the Republicans want to elect him.

Look at America. Most Americans don't want Bush. But we got him, and he's trying his damndest to change America so that it's structurally unable to elect Democrats (see TX, CA recall, destroying public education, driving us towards Great Depression II, which they'll probably find a way to pin on a Democratic Herbert Hoover, somehow).

[ButterflyBlood]

5. as much as I dislike Bush, he's not to blame for the first two

that would be the respective faults of Darrel Issa, and Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.

[Eloriel]

6. You don't think Bush&Rove are/were behind them?

If not, think again.

Look. Two stunning election upsets in GA in 2002 didn't even turn heads: the swing between pre-election poll and post-election results was 16% for Gov. (Barnes lost) and 13% for Chambliss (Cleland lost). Big swing for Wayne Allard in CO too, also elected on Diebold machines.

All Bush (Rove) has to do in CA is (1) make it seem like a win there isn't totally out of the question and (2) crank up the vote suppression (see FL 2000) and vote fraud (see BBV and other techniques).

If you don't think that Rove&Co. are capable of accomplishing that, think again. If you don't think they're stealing our votes on Diebold and probably other electronic voting machines, think again.

Eloriel

[Capn Sunshine]

4. IF You keep staring at the first tree

You won't see the forest they've planted.

[damnraddem]

7. No, comparing Ca to Fl is like comparing ...

oranges and grapefruits.

[sandnsea]

8. Republican operatives

Disrupted the Democratic process in both states. That's why it's the exact same thing.