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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:49 PM
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Are others talking to people who just don't want to hear about it?
Granted, most of the people I talk to are as shocked and angry and sad as I am about what's (not) been happening in NO this week.

But I have talked to a few people -- not even Bushies, just regular folks -- who don't even want to talk about it. They don't want to know that people are trapped and dying and not being evacuated. They either ignore me or change the subject.

Perhaps it's that Barbara Bush thing about not wanting to trouble their beautiful minds. But it's fucked up, for sure.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:50 PM
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1. My DH is taking a "shit happens" attitude.
Well, NO Sex! Shit happens.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:53 PM
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3. your "designated hitter?" huh?
that's all DH means to this baseball fan
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:53 PM
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4. LOL
That'll teach him.

Actually, my husband said to me, the day after it hit -- granted, it was before he knew how bad it was -- "We're resilient, it'll be okay."

I think he isn't so sure about that anymore, but at the time I thought it was a really dumb thing to say (much as I love him).

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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:57 PM
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8. rb! Oh, god, I'm so happy to "see" you.
Myself, I have decided to self-medicate, and I have slipped into my Rage Against the Machine mode.

How's the rock baby?
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:05 AM
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9. He'll be one soon.
He's wonderful. And I'm so grateful I can feed him and clothe him and keep him dry and safe.

Also, I'm drunk as hell!
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:08 AM
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11. Me too!
Joy!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:52 PM
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2. The more people ignore, the worse it will be to recover.
Law of physics.

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CAG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:54 PM
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5. They're rationalizing their indifferent attitude by blaming the NO people
for staying.
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:09 AM
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13. I met my first one of those Face to Face today
I had heard it on the net and tv. But I was STUNDED when it was said to me. It was my Brother-in-law who is visting. Granted, he is a self absorbed person on a normal bases. He doesn't want to hear about others problems. But doesnt' mind talking endlessly about his own.

I think he realized he said the wrong thing to me. I'm a very out spoken person. But family and friends know that when I get quiet, then it's really bad. This was one of those FEW times that I didn't say anything. My mouth opened.. then just hung there. I glanced at my hubby and he had this heart wrenching face. It's hard to bare, when your love one is just soooo....

Before I said anything, I realized nothing I could say would change things. He would just dig in deeper. And I knew he would be hearing it from me for the next week. He is staying WITH ME. And these are the kinds of issues that Hubby and I DO talk about. And this issue is on the table right now. So I'm not bringing it up to rub his face in it. But because I HAVE TO LET IT OUT!
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bo44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:56 PM
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6. a teacher i work with did not want to "quibble"
fucking bitch. she hates black people and is not perturbed.
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WI Independent Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-05 11:57 PM
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7. It could be too troubling to them...
to think about it. We all have different tolerance levels and different "walls" we put up to protect our sanity.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:07 AM
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10. Fuck, it's too troubling for ME...
but that's tough. We are all connected. We are all accountable. We HAVE to face up. If we don't, we're just using up resources.
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:09 AM
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12. Actually just the opposite
I used to be politely quiet about politics (most around here are) but today I couldn't contain myself (couldn't sleep or eat all week) so I actually talked and could not believe the rage.

I got more poop on what's going on concerning Katrina then I could've imagined.

I was at PT and people were jumping in left and right. It was when I said they are dying as I am sitting here and started to cry, that it got out of control. The anger was rampant. I couldn't believe the guy that said "They are dying?" Where has he been this week?
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:17 AM
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16. some people just cannot deal with the reality of suffering etc
and what they think they might feel if they really let some of it in

my mom is like that
she just does not want to go in too deep and never has

take good care friend
we need to talk about our feelings and need to express that things are completely vile in our govt


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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:12 AM
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14. I think that's it, for some people
Just too disturbing.

It is hard even for me to believe that in this country, with all of our resources, we are letting people starve to die like dogs on the street.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:02 AM
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18. Those people just turn their backs.
When people find it too disturbing to think about, they turn their backs on the people in need.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:16 AM
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15. yep... my mom.
talked to her after she filled her tank at 5+/gallon in Atlanta last night. I told her I've been online, watching this devestating news, she asked, "about what?".. no, I am NOT kidding. I told her, "about LA, MS and AL, mom.." she said, "oh yeah, the flood"... I said this is beyond horrific." Her reply cut me off and said, "well, anyway, and started asking me about how my kids are..." and I was dumbfounded. Dead silence on the phone, she asked me if I was there, I said yeah, and she said "oh good, well I got to go now."...

we hung up.

Mom taught me to feel sorry for people that were mean, or heartless because they must be very miserable people. I guess I never thought she'd teach me how to learn to feel sorry for her.

Oh God.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 12:30 AM
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17. Oh yeah ...
There were these three assholes at work today, all of whom work for the company but do not regularly work in my office, that came right close to getting their asses handed to them. They were joined by the freeptard security guard who thought it all made a grand joke. They spent most of the morning talking among themselves, half complaining I, as self-proclaimed commander of the remote control for the day, was forcing them to watch the news instead of football previews for tomorrow and half making fun of the whole business. I tuned out most of it because I just could not deal with it at that moment, but things changed.

It all really got started with the shit-stain sitting nearest to me deciding I looked like I cared enough about his problems to unload on me about gasoline prices. I guess because I looked so unmoved (I was obviously trying to ignore him and watch the news in between doing pieces of my job) he asked, "Doesn't this just piss you off? Decent people can't even afford to drive anywhere." The trigger was the way he said "decent people" combined with my knowledge he was actually mad because he'd calculated how much more the jump in gasoline price was going to add to the cost of his vacation this weekend. This and an image on the television screen of an elderly, nearly dead refugee from New Orleans being fed bits of food by a medical aid worker made something snap.

"There are bigger things to worry about right now," I told him, and turned my attention back to the television screen. After a few moments he responded, "Aww, hell, it's their own damn fault they're there. They shoulda got out."

And I Went Off ... in front of a customer who had just walked in the front door. In the strangest bit of synchronicity I've experienced in awhile, however, this customer, after listening to my rant, which I genuinely tried to hush a bit knowing the guy was in there, actually thanked me. He apparently got the gist of what was going on and told me he was from Louisiana originally, still had family there, and hadn't heard from any of them since this all started. We talked, and he teared up a bit. "They're all poor <and black>, so ..." he started, and I finished, "they are being treated like dirt by these asses and the idiots who think this is all a big joke."

The Three Idiots and I sparred much of the rest of the day. The security guard told me he didn't realize how naive I was. Before leaving, I fired off a letter to my manager, my division manager, the regional VP, and the CEO of my company detailing what had taken place in the office today. I placed it in the context of e-mails we had been receiving from corporate headquarters about the search for our employees in the NO area that had gone missing and how the customer could have been offended enough by what was going on to have taken his business elsewhere.

I guess the bad part is that others in the office, more sympathetic, tried in calmer ways to help me out and settle me down. But, I was over the edge today, and no rope was pulling me back. I pissed off pretty much everyone, possibly will end up with a reprimand, and may have gotten someone else fired or at least reprimanded himself. I don't need this shit, but I'll be damned if I am going to sit there like some big, fat idiot and let that kind of sewage invade my mind.

Well, now ... that was more of a rant than I intended.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 05:59 AM
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20. I salute you Roy......I'm in the same frame of mind... short fused.
I must admit, I'm shocked by the negative responses that some of you are getting on this issue. This makes me even angrier. Geezus, I do NOT need to be more angry.

When I heard a hurricane was forming, I said I was NOT going to get sucked into the bozo reporters hanging out in a snarling wind while projectiles fly by...seen one hurrican, seen a million, same old shit I have been in the middle of a personal crisis myself see.

THEN, the aftermath the very next morning had me sitting up in bed like a bolt of lightening. I have been RIVETED to the news from all sources for nearly 24/7 ever since. Getting only about 4-6 hours of sleep in fits and starts each eve and not much to eat...haven't even been to the grocery, I'm so exhausted and angry.

I have not met anyone poo pooing this disater yet...the exception would be for this MOFO on KGO radio right now (John Rothmann)....I BLASTED him for his "excuses" and apologetics on the lack of aid. I'll bet, if I don't get some rest, I could take someone's head off if they dared to speak vily about this situation in NOLA.

It's friday nite/sat morn 4 am west coast time. I've been sitting here for hours and hours with TV, computer and radio. My ankles have swollen up like tree stumps.

I'm downing a "few" valiums (ahem):smoke: to try to get some rest.
I'll catch up with all of you GOOD, GREAT, AWESOME, CARING,people later.... :hug:

May peace, shelter, safty, and love come quickly to those NOLAs left alive....
SB
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-03-05 04:58 AM
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19. no such people are my friends or involved in my life.
they have been exorcised from me, because otherwise i would be forced to do violence upon them.

i do not suffer fools gladly. even less gladly as of late. i'm admiring of your capacity to do so. impressive.
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